posted August 12, 2014 11:49 PM            

MORIARTY (5048)
SHERLOCK (5049)

Ahhh, Sherlock and Moriarty: ageless rivals; classic nemeses. Each the other's undoing by design -- even though it was just Moriarty who was literally created to bring an end to Sherlock.

Being one whose MOON is conjunct SHERLOCK (1°), I've always been intrigued by the aspect. But now I see someone's SHERLOCK is not only on my SUN-PLUTO-BML, but his MORIARTY is 2° conjunct his SUN.

Ohhhh, my.

But, wait -- it gets better.

That SHERLOCK of his is 1° his MARS -- which it'd have to be, to be exactly on my PLUTO-BML.

The frosting?

My VENUS, my sweet, unassuming, little Virgo VENUS, tucked away in 12H -- is conjunct MORIARTY, 2°30.

Well! If that doesn't level the playing field?

It's a rather fascinating interplay of classically masculine and feminine energies combining against a backdrop of iconic intrigue, suspense, and competition.

What to do with a MORIARTY-VENUS and SHERLOCK-MARS anyway? Which is more 'classic'? Which more 'appropriate'? While we might be able to agree that a male MORIARTY-SUN and female SHERLOCK-MOON will be expressing their essential core natures with a particular flavour, the female VENUS getting a dose of criminal mastermind, with the male MARS operating according to 'high functioning sociopath' code -- is a bit of a toss-up.

... Or is it?

There's something funny about his MARS and my VENUS. While there's nothing intrinsically compatible about 22° Libra and 08° Virgo, in this particular case, the two were in contraparallel.

While no one can agree entirely on its expression (except, perhaps, Ceri and myself, heh!) the Cafe Astrology definition does seem fitting: 'passions are stimulated and intense. Fine line between love and hate. Competitiveness,' -- if a bit too 'oppositional'.

So we have a classic dynamic, VENUS and MARS linkage, with a corresponding MORIARTY/SHERLOCK linkage, being expressed in something of a complex and flirtatious fashion.

Meanwhile, the male solar energy has a strange affinity with the female VENUS, and the female MOON finds resonance with the male MARS.

Very, very intriguing.

But what could it mean? I've a theory.

Since MORIARTY is the intended (and successful) undoing of SHERLOCK, perhaps there's an innate, inexplicable sense of apprehension -- like the moth flitting too near the flame. MORIARTY may carry an inherent danger, not in its expression, but its operation -- something which would be immediately evident to SHERLOCK, even if no cause of the distress can be located.

Of the point itself, there's an ambition and passion present. Unlike SHERLOCK's cool rationalism and unwavering logic, Moriarty has a temper -- rather famously explosive one. None have ever quite triggered it like Holmes. There's an unfailing respect, too, between them: an equal mutually-assured destruction.

And yet, be it ego, obligation, or an inability to disengage from a Great Game, Holmes is drawn into James' plans and schemes, every time. Despite his detachment and precisely calculated movements -- something compels him to engage.

So, as if to spite himself, SHERLOCK will take the bait, or play the game that MORIARTY has left or designed for him. Regardless of the consequences or danger it promises.

In my particular synastry, I can say I relate to this. I'm not sure if it's the fact that my VENUS-MORIARTY has her own hand to play -- and is quite confident in it! -- or if my SHERLOCK-MOON simply can't refuse to tango with MORIARTY-SUN. Either way, it seems a strange, undeniable compulsion.

What do you think?

Where are your SHERLOCK (5049) and MORIARTY (5048)? Has it enticed you to become embroiled in some great game, consequences be damned? Do you notice your MORIARTY point acting with more passion and ambition to achieve what it wants, while your SHERLOCK conducts itself with a greater logic and 'cool-headedness'?

posted August 13, 2014 01:14 AM            

5048, 5049, 5050, 5477, 46722

I'm a SUN-HOLMES. But get this - JH is a SUN-IRENEADLER. In addition, JH's SHERLOCK conjuncts my AC-SN, opposing my DC-NN-DOCTORWATSON. That should give you a chuckle.

posted August 13, 2014 01:48 AM            

I know I looked up DOCTORWATSON at one point. I just can't recall my findings.

posted August 13, 2014 02:45 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
MORIARTY (5048)
SHERLOCK (5049)

Ahhh, Sherlock and Moriarty: ageless rivals; classic nemeses. Each the other's undoing by design -- even though it was just Moriarty who was literally created to bring an end to Sherlock.

There's something funny about his MARS and my VENUS. While there's nothing intrinsically compatible about 22° Libra and 08° Virgo, in this particular case, the two were in contraparallel.

While no one can agree entirely on its expression the Cafe Astrology definition does seem fitting: 'passions are stimulated and intense. Fine line between love and hate. Competitiveness,' -- if a bit too 'oppositional'.

Of the point itself, there's an ambition and passion present. Unlike SHERLOCK's cool rationalism and unwavering logic, Moriarty has a temper -- rather famously explosive one. None have ever quite triggered it like Holmes. There's an unfailing respect, too, between them: an equal mutually-assured destruction.

And yet, be it ego, obligation, or an inability to disengage from a Great Game, Holmes is drawn into James' plans and schemes, every time. Despite his detachment and precisely calculated movements -- something compels him to engage.

So, as if to spite himself, SHERLOCK will take the bait, or play the game that MORIARTY has left or designed for him. Regardless of the consequences or danger it promises.

Where are your SHERLOCK (5049) and MORIARTY (5048)? Has it enticed you to become embroiled in some great game, consequences be damned? Do you notice your MORIARTY point acting with more passion and ambition to achieve what it wants, while your SHERLOCK conducts itself with a greater logic and 'cool-headedness'?

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Actually the antiscion of 22 Libra is 7 Pisces, opposite the other point. Depending on the minutes it may even be fairly close, but in any case I'd consider them strongly linked even with the degree's difference. Contrascia or whatever it is with the oppositions.

If Moriarty entices into a game without any regard for consequences (to not be bored or whatever the reason), I'm not sure if it's too wise to have two Moriartys conjunct. Even if the 25 Gem Moriarty also had their Sherlock 28.11 R Aquarius opposite my Sun, Ireneadler square that in Taurus 1 from my Sun/Moon MP, 2 from my SN. My Moriarty is 26.10 Gemini so trine the Sherlock as well as conjunct the other Moriarty. This with Reichenbachs conjunct as well at 22-24 Cancer.

Noting this with a dryness since also have Sherlock opposite someone else's Sherlock relevant to the above case, with their Reichenbach conjunct my NN, Doctorwatson 2 conj my ASC, Ireneadler conjunct mine at 10-11 Aquarius on their SN. All three are people who value the intellect and consider themselves (vastly? ;P ) smart.

Is it worse to have Reichenbachs conjunct (mutual fall?) or someone's Reichenbach on another's NN? Destined to fall or meet their "fate" at the hands of the other? It's two different people but if Irene Adler is the respected one that got away (not thinking of new romantic version/s), contact to South Nodes suggests that someone outsmarted the other one way or another in both people's cases, but where I'm Ireneadler to the Sherlock-opposition, the first person with the Moriarty-conjunction is Irene to my past. First person's draconic Holmes conjunct my ASC.

posted August 13, 2014 03:35 AM            

That's quite a pattern! I never thought of involving REICHENBACH (20582) and am now thinking of it in terms of timing -- progressions, transits -- perhaps even Draconic comparisons.

I've not had enough time (or data) to determine IRENEADLER's operation, either -- but I do think it's important, as you've stated, to remember her as The Woman -- specifically, the woman that got away.

MORIARTY almost instead seems to represent the manufactured foil -- the archenemy so perfectly matched in every way, it would appear as if by design (since it was).

I'd think two MORIARTYS conjunct would be very troublesome, given the explosive, ambitious nature -- a bit like someone's SATURN on your MARS/PLUTO: too much force without a viable outlet is going to combust.

The SHERLOCKIAN logic and emotional detachment seems almost essential to prevent major violent outbursts. And even then, it's going to be troublesome.

Turns out my husband's SHERLOCK is right on my MORIARTY, 0º30. It's as if he'll deliberately put forth this portrayal of being unaffected which can be positively enraging.

I wonder what his DOCTORWATSON on my partner's SUN means. It's exact, too.

posted August 13, 2014 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I wonder what his DOCTORWATSON on my partner's SUN means. It's exact, too.

Blind writer? Thoughts?

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He provides side commentary that gives you that eureka moment, illuminating something you hadn't seen or thought about before, particularly about the mundane or the obvious or in matters of romance. Watson was the one who understood human relationships far better than Holmes. He was an indispensable partner to him, because his familiarity with "normal" often provided that simple little clue he was missing to piece the final picture together. Considering J has SUN-MORIARTY, and P has DOCTORWATSON-SN, it's a repeating pattern.

posted August 13, 2014 04:33 AM            

He'll frequently illuminate things -- for both of us really, but J's always the one most floored by whatever basic detail has been revealed to him. Unsurprisingly, my husband is always shaking his head in response, going, 'he is SOOOO strange.'

I did notice odd SNODE linkages, yes. (Oh, and REICHENBACH is on my SUN; exactly conjunct SADO and VIRGINIA. ... Yay?)

My KARMA and his SNODE are actually on his DOCTORWATSON.

My IRENEADLER is loosely on his NNODE; J's SUN-MORIARTY is right on his SNODE. And, yes, my SHERLOCK and Fate's IRENEADLER is on his KARMA-SNODE. And now my DOCTORWATSON is on his DSC, 0° and my AVX, also 0°.

posted August 13, 2014 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

There's something funny about his MARS and my VENUS. While there's nothing intrinsically compatible about 22° Libra and 08° Virgo, in this particular case, the two were in contraparallel.

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Excuse me? Antiscion/contrascion?
It`s.....elementary, my dear.

posted August 13, 2014 04:45 AM            

So, my drSUN is conjunct his drSUN, 2°. That's always been odd to me; my nSUN is 19° Libra and his is 08° Cancer. How they end up 01° and 03° Gemini is beyond me; plus, my drSUN and drPLUTO are exactly conjunct at 01° Gemini -- not 2°, as in my Tropical (19° and 21° Libra.)

This creates a curious dynamic.

Now that our drSUNs are conjunct, his drMORIARTY (01° Gemini) is ALSO on my SUN. (In the Tropical, it's his nSHERLOCK that conjoins and is parallel my SUN, 2°) Here, his drMORIARTY hits both of our SUNs -- and mine dead-on with my drPLUTO. We're talking 0° here.

Now I'm still a 1° SHERLOCK-MOON. But the degree is 05° Cancer. That's his nMORIARTY, which is conjunct his nSUN, 3°.

He keeps his MARS-SHERLOCK as well; it's just now 17° Virgo, conjunct my nATROPOS.

Huh!

posted August 13, 2014 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Excuse me? Antiscion/contrascion?
It`s.....elementary, my dear.

Or something.

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posted August 13, 2014 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
ROFL Moriarty is on my Alice.

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Good heavens -- if I start combining my Jungian archetypes, my head might explode!

All the same, his SUN is still parallel MADHATTER and MORIARTY. So there's that.

Gah! ... My drALICE is conjunct my nMORIARTY, 1°. Okay, THAT's an unexpected twist!

Otherwise, it's IRENEADLER that's closest to it; but still a considerable distance away.

And, apropos of nothing, I'm always forgetting his drMADHATTER is conjunct his nTISIPHONE-HADES, which, of course, falls on my nCHIRON.

... Huh.

Apparently, because I didn't clear out my previous asteroid data set, I've noticed that my PREY, (which is conjunct my nCHIRON) is parallel his SUN-MORIARTY-MADHATTER.

Well. THAT's a bit uncomfortable.

Wow! My ALICE is actually quindecile his SUN-MORIARTY. Never noticed that one before, either! It's quindecile the MP exactly -- which is conjunct my drMOON-SHERLOCK.

Isn't THAT interesting.

And ... his nMADHATTER (which is parallel the SUN-MORIARTY) is quindecile my nLUST, which is on his nASC.

:: cough ::

... Quit looking at me like that! I don't know what you're talking about .... Plus. It's VALENTINE, too; so that helps. Moderately!

posted August 13, 2014 06:09 AM            

Firstly, I have Moriarty conj Cupido exact in my natal - am I an enticer?

My Sherlock on his SN (1); square his Chiron (0); trine his Mercury (0); conj his Alma (1)
His Sherlock sextile my NN/Vertex (1); conj my Sparks (0)

So, Sherlocks aspecting the Nodal axis. His is in the 12th, mine in 10th.

His Moriarty opp my Moriarty/Cupido (0), quinc my Vesta (0)

posted August 13, 2014 07:06 AM            

Robert Downey Jr

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See that on his DESC?

Jude Law

posted August 13, 2014 07:08 AM            

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Poor Guy Richie!

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(1) mutable Grand Cross:
R Mars 10 Virgo h2/h9
R Uranus 11 Virgo
R Pluto 14 Virgo
J IRENE 12 Virgo
J SHERLOCK 11 Virgo

R Saturn 11 Pisces h8 / h3

R NN 15 Gemini h11 / h7
R Saturn 15 Gemini h11 / h7

J Venus 13 Sag h5 / h1
J ASC 9 Sag h5/ h1

(2) fixed Grand Cross

R ALICE 16 Taurus h10 / h5

J ALICE 13 Scorpio h4 / h11

R ASC 13 Leo h1 / h8

posted August 13, 2014 07:42 AM            

"That's always been odd to me; my nSUN is 19° Libra and his is 08° Cancer. How they end up 01° and 03° Gemini is beyond me"
The reason for this is that you have different Nodes, and we substract the degree of the NN from any natal planet to arrive at the draconic placement.

So your NN is 18 Leo or 138°
Your Sun is 19 Libra or 199°

The calculation is thu:
199-138= 61° which equals 1° Gemini.

"; plus, my drSUN and drPLUTO are exactly conjunct at 01° Gemini -- not 2°, as in my Tropical (19° and 21° Libra.)"
This is impossible. The aspects and the orbs stay the same in tropical and Draconic, BECAUSE you substract always the exact same amount of degrees from any natal planet.
Hence your Dr Pluto is on 3 Gemini.

posted August 13, 2014 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
That's quite a pattern! I never thought of involving REICHENBACH (20582) and am now thinking of it in terms of timing -- progressions, transits -- perhaps even Draconic comparisons.

I've not had enough time (or data) to determine IRENEADLER's operation, either -- but I do think it's important, as you've stated, to remember her as The Woman -- specifically, the woman that got away.

I'd think two MORIARTYS conjunct would be very troublesome, given the explosive, ambitious nature -- a bit like someone's SATURN on your MARS/PLUTO: too much force without a viable outlet is going to combust.

The SHERLOCKIAN logic and emotional detachment seems almost essential to prevent major violent outbursts. And even then, it's going to be troublesome.

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I may not want "The Woman" to get away. *shifty eyes* At least unless I solve them/their case first, that being how you please Sherlock or make him stop being obsessed with it, but that seems to go against the story. Damn patterns and people.

You favoured Lachesis, so just noting mine is conjunct that Reichenbach-Amaterasu-Inca. No idea of actual meanings, but transits could offer interesting things I guess.

But ho, Moriartys should be clever enough to come up with plenty of outlets for any kinds of ideas. I never knew how that featured at my end either, opposite GC or not, since it's also conjunct my Horus, Artemis, Gopalan, Church and Beer for a start. I'm not an aggressive drunk or prone to exploding when drinking (and never liked beer in any case) should anyone wonder. Composite Saturn is square Pluto though as more or less the main major trouble spot on theoretical levels.

In any case, in synastry Moriarty is trine Sherlock by 2 and Sherlock's antiscion is 2 degrees from the other Moriarty. The other two have his Moriarty 3 opposite her Holmes, but it's wider and an opposition. Some more stuff in draconic charts but forgot what it was already.

Perhaps two people with both Moriartys and Reichenbachs conjunct are prone to a fall at the end, but at least those two spots aren't directly linked.

Actually, my progressed Moriarty is at 5.46 Cancer now so nearing Sherlock. I'll let you know if I start annoying myself on purpose. Ouch though, Sherlock's at 24.16 Cancer just some ~20' before Reichenbach. Holmes 28.10 Scorpio opposite the first person's Ireneadler, my Ireneadler having backed to 7.47 Aquarius near my DC. Reichenbach 12.06 Leo, Sun 6.13 Libra, Doctorwatson 8.02 Capricorn. Second person's Sherlock 25.18 Capricorn opposite mine as before.

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Astrotheme lists Benedict Cumberbatch with a noon time but also an Ascendant, so imagine he was born around that time then as well? I never fancied him but apparently his Mars is 7 Virgo, so my Venus supposedly should have. I far preferred Mycroft if talking someone intellectually and character-wise interesting, Mycroft making me interested even in Gatiss. Don't get me started on the loathsomeness of their supposed "Moriarty" who hasn't seen an iota of what that character should be when all he seemed to do was copy John Simms as the Master from Doctor Who. The two actors seem to have their Suns square though, with Scott's Sun 1 from my Uranus to square my Saturn, something that I've previously detested as well.

posted August 13, 2014 08:42 AM            

I have a close trine of HOLMES; KARMA and Moon. Fittingly in air signs, with my Moon in Aquarius, which strikes me as having affinity to Holmes anyway.

With a bit more generous orb, Chiron could be counted as making this a Kite.

Interestingly my Draco Sun is on 15.46 Aries. lol

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The Yellow one is a Thor`s hammer of the Chiron-Vertex-square to the Mars-DOKTORWATSON-conjunction.

There is actually a second Grand trines in Air signs.

SHERLOCK on 12 Aquarius trine KAALI on 12 Gemini trine APHRODITE on 13 Libra.

A T-square of MORIARTY and ALICE opposing Pluto and squaring SPIRIT and GUINEVERE (LOL just when I wrote down Guinevere, a song from the Artus-musical started playing on the radio. ).