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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 21, 2014 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars/Saturn in harsh aspect (especially the square) is a common marital aspect in synastry/composite, based on real-life charts. I'm sorry to say, but I believe Liz Greene's description of the aspect is over the top. All that "scheme" of Saturn...

It is important, as Ceridwen says very well, when you have a square, for the two to work as a team, not against each other. If they don't work together, Mars and Saturn (and any square) can work against each other, yes. Mars/Saturn is one of the most constructive squares combining two work/action planets: Mars: pure action, initiative and drive, ability to break routines, Saturn: work stamina and control/organizational abilities. Perhaps one of the best squares in synastry, it also heralds sexual fidelity.

Of course, it requires the Saturn fellow not to be a control freak and the Mars fellow/gal an impulsive freak

Or if they are, that they work together
In fact this square in its positive vibration brings a strong team spirit to the couple and the need to do tangible things together, no matter how difficult, and to build things.


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posted August 21, 2014 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Wooooow. I had this with an ex that I hated with all my guts. I'm Saturn. I could tell he wanted more affection but I didn't want to give it to him. His desire for more love make me feel sick and disgusted, when normally I'm a very warm person. The sex was terrible. This was the first time I just lay here staring at the celing.

Oh my. Poor guy

I don't particularly like Mars/Saturn aspects either TBH.

Mars is passion, meant to express itself and be open and impulsive about its feelings.

Saturn stops it cold and may in many instances say something like "not now honey, I have a headache"

If you happen to have Pluto,Uranus aspecting Sun/Moon/Venus, then it can certainly help things a lot when Mars is "discouraged" from expressing itself.

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posted August 21, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm Mars, he's Saturn. I have more warmth, more aggression, but also more excitement. He has less warmth, more callous, more detached, more serious. I find it boring, he gets annoyed at me. It can be difficult, but the sex can be really great.

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posted August 21, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 22, 2014 08:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Famous long-term couples/great loves and hard Mars/Saturn aspects
Couples with obvious or well-known long-term physical chemistry

Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor

her Mars opp his Saturn

Camilla/Charles
her Mars square his Saturn

Melanie Griffith/Antonio Banderas
her Saturn opp his Mars

Catherine Zeta/Michael Douglas
her Mars opp his Saturn

Iman/David Bowie
Mars/Saturn DW: conjunction and sextile

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

Mars/Saturn DW: square and conjunction

Annette Bening/Warren Beatty

her Mars conjunct his Saturn

Brangelina
his Mars opp her Saturn

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

his Mars square her Saturn
Mars conjunct Saturn in Composite

a famous oversexed couple - someone said bad sex with Mars/Saturn??


even the emblematic couple is on the list:

Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman

her Mars/Mercury square his Saturn (2)

plus a wide Mars square Saturn in the comp (8)


my parents, over 40 years of marriage, chemistry to cut with a knife;

Mars square Saturn DW (0) and (2)
composite Mars opp Saturn (2)

EDIT: Danny de Vito/Rhea Perlman
her Mars/Saturn square his Mars/Sun

Faith Hill/Tim McGraw
Mars opp Saturn

SJP/Matthew Broderick
Mars conjunct Saturn


Tracy Pollan/Michael J. Fox
Mars square Saturn
Mars quincunx Saturn
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posted August 22, 2014 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^^^
Most of these couples are divorced by now, and in a nasty way at that.

Brad and Angelina , Camila and Charles aspect
Is 7 degrees wide in orb, i dont think it's felt much.

I, personally, am not scared of this aspect, thou. I have a natal Mars/ Saturn square, i get the dynamic in a relationship. As long as i get it my way, im perfectly fine with it :d

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 22, 2014 01:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
^^^^^
Most of these couples are divorced by now, and in a nasty way at that.

Apart Melanie/Banderas, who divorced after 19 years ( a very hot, sexual couple BTW) none of these couples are divorced.
Even in their case, one can hardly imagine they had bad sex for 19 years. Nowadays, I guess almost 20 years is certainly a long-term relationship.
There are only divorce rumors about SJP/Mathew Broderick, but that's it.

EDIT: Brangelina's opp is indeed 7, Camilla/Charles square (6)
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posted August 22, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beyonce and Jay Z have the square. Her Leo Mars square his Taurus Saturn, if I remember correctly. They don't seem to be lacking in the sexual department or so it appears.

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posted December 24, 2014 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Mars/Saturn in harsh aspect (especially the square) is a common marital aspect in synastry/composite, based on real-life charts. I'm sorry to say, but I believe Liz Greene's description of the aspect is over the top. All that "scheme" of Saturn...

It is important, as Ceridwen says very well, when you have a square, for the two to work as a team, not against each other. If they don't work together, Mars and Saturn (and any square) can work against each other, yes. Mars/Saturn is one of the most constructive squares combining two work/action planets: Mars: pure action, initiative and drive, ability to break routines, Saturn: work stamina and control/organizational abilities. Perhaps one of the best squares in synastry, it also heralds sexual fidelity.

Of course, it requires the Saturn fellow not to be a control freak and the Mars fellow/gal an impulsive freak

Or if they are, that they work together
In fact this square in its positive vibration brings a strong team spirit to the couple and the need to do tangible things together, no matter how difficult, and to build things.


Well said!

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LeeLoo2014
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posted December 26, 2014 07:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, peony
I find hard Mars/Saturn aspects again and again in marital charts.

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posted December 27, 2014 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it is a TERRIBLE aspect. If it's the tightest aspect there will likely be abuse in the relationship even with other good things in the chart.

The good thing about this aspect though is that the bond usually breaks by Mars leaving Saturn. Saturn does the abusing for the most part while Mars gets fed up and leaves. Saturn wants to control so he will not let Mars leave easily.

I had this aspect with my father who was immensley controlling my growing up. When I was in my 20's I finally told him to go to hell and forbade him to ever contact me again. He ignored my wishes and repeatedly tried to contact me so I had to take legal action against him. That finally took care of him. That was 10 years ago. I wish I had cut him out sooner. Every time I've seen this as a tight aspect in synastry it has always ALWAYS been the mars person that left the relationship. (Just in the charts of people I've known anyway.)

Come to think of it... I think Jennifer Aniston also had this with Brad Pitt? I think I'm right about that if I remember right. If so I'll bet anything she was Saturn and he mars since he's the one that left.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted March 23, 2015 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen it show that much in love relationships actually.

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Originally posted by manderin:
Yes it is a TERRIBLE aspect. If it's the tightest aspect there will likely be abuse in the relationship even with other good things in the chart.

The good thing about this aspect though is that the bond usually breaks by Mars leaving Saturn. Saturn does the abusing for the most part while Mars gets fed up and leaves. Saturn wants to control so he will not let Mars leave easily.

I had this aspect with my father who was immensley controlling my growing up. When I was in my 20's I finally told him to go to hell and forbade him to ever contact me again. He ignored my wishes and repeatedly tried to contact me so I had to take legal action against him. That finally took care of him. That was 10 years ago. I wish I had cut him out sooner. Every time I've seen this as a tight aspect in synastry it has always ALWAYS been the mars person that left the relationship. (Just in the charts of people I've known anyway.)

Come to think of it... I think Jennifer Aniston also had this with Brad Pitt? I think I'm right about that if I remember right. If so I'll bet anything she was Saturn and he mars since he's the one that left.


I am beginning to feel the same way about my father and we share this aspect. He's always controlling everything I do.

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posted December 29, 2017 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So everyone here says that Saturn wants to control Mars ! That's very true ! My Mars is inconjunct a guy's Saturn (and so my Saturn also) and it's exactly the ways people describe it here... Wants to control, not let Mars leave, big "attraction" (not that big, but I found him handsome but so dumb) and he hated me though he wanted to go out with me... I'm glad I found something that explains this.
And Saturn inconjunct Saturn : big frustration in both sides...

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
So everyone here says that Saturn wants to control Mars ! That's very true ! My Mars is inconjunct a guy's Saturn (and so my Saturn also) and it's exactly the ways people describe it here... Wants to control, not let Mars leave, big "attraction" (not that big, but I found him handsome but so dumb) and he hated me though he wanted to go out with me... I'm glad I found something that explains this.
And Saturn inconjunct Saturn : big frustration in both sides...

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