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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6734 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 08:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: LOL "They're a classic tale of Eros and Psyche gone terribly wrong" that describes us so well.Guess what?! Guess what?! LOL His Orpheus conjuncts by less than an orb my Eurydike. Synastry:
I have Eurydike at 25 Lib 06'53" He has Orpheus at 26 Lib 57'50" In Comp:
Eurydike/Juno squares Orpheus/Sun His Natal:
Eurydike opposes Orpheus Comp to Natals:
My Orpheus conjuncts C-Orpheus and our AC. My Eurydike squares C-Eurydike His Orpheus squares exact C-Eurydike His Eurydike opposes C-Orpheus His Eurydike squares Eurydike Definitely Eros and Psyche gone terribly wrong and notice no trines or sextiles mostly hard aspects and in synastry a conjunction. Great contribution to this thread, Thanks a lot.
Anytime! Keela and I are all over it on another thread, investigating our own EURYDIKE/ORPHEUS patterns. Having a 1º30 conjunction between them ... WOW. That's HIGHLY significant. And it's right on the cJUNO, isn't it? IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 08:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Astrologically, it seems that she represents our being uncomfortably dependent upon another, and circumstances surrounding her being (or feeling) like a 'matter of life and death'. ORPHEUS, on the other hand, has to do with contact with death, loss, grieving, and sorrowful or mournful works of art, too. Especially music, as it's what moved H and P to offer the deal to return Eurydices to her grieving widower anyhow. Definitely a star-crossed couple.
Our Song which we chose when were happy and in love is sooooooo Eurydike and Orpheus/ star-crossed lovers theme, when we chose it we thought we would be together forever, I know poor choice for a song but beautiful song truly that is why we chose it (both moon in pisces).
A man sings the song; Group Mana: Como quisiera, -How much I would like poder vivir sin aire. -To be able to live without air Como quisieeera, -How much I would like poder vivir sin agua. -to be able to live without water Me encantaria, - I would love quererte un poco menos. - To love you a little less Sssss. Como quisieraaa, -How much I would like poder viviiiir sin ti. -To be able to live without you Pero no puedo, -But I can't siento que muero, -I feel like I am dying me estoy ahogando sin tu amooor. -I feel I am drowning without your love Como quisiera, -How much I would like poder vivir sin aire. -To be able to live without water Como quisiera, -How much I would like calmar mi aflicción. -To calm my affliction Como quisiera, --How much I would like poder vivir sin agua. -To be able to live without water Me encantaria, -I would love robar tu corazón. -To steal your heart (which he did, he definitely stole it and captured it) Como pudiera, -How can un pez nadar sin agua. -A fish swim without water nnno,no,no. Como pudiera, -How can un ave volaaar sin alas. -A bird fly without wings Como pudieraa, -How can la flor crezeer sin tierra. -A flower grow without earth Oh,no. Como quisieeera, -How much I would like poder viviiiir sin ti. -To be able to live without you Oooooh,noo. Pero no puedo,-But I can't siento que mueero. -I feel I am dying Me estoy ahogaaando, -I am drowing sin tu aamooor. -without your love Como quisiera, -How much I would like poder viviir sin aaaire. -To be able to live without air Como quisieera, -How much I would like calmar mi aflicción. -To calm my affliction Como quisiera, -How much I would like poder viviir sin aaagua. -To be able to live without water Me encantaria provar tu corazón. -I would love to try your heart Como quisiera, -How much I would like lanzarte a dormido. To launch you to sleep Como quisiera, -How much I would like guardarte en un cajóóón. -To save you in a drawer Como quisiera,-How much I would like borrarte de un sopliiido. -To erase you by replacing you Me encantaria, -I would love guardar esta canciiión. -to save this song.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2014 08:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: Anytime! Keela and I are all over it on another thread, investigating our own EURYDIKE/ORPHEUS patterns.Having a 1º30 conjunction between them ... WOW. That's HIGHLY significant. And it's right on the cJUNO, isn't it?
Yes its squaring cJuno-Eurydike in Cancer at 26 deg and conjuncting c-orpheus. IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2014 01:43 AM
i find it interesting that Orpheus big mistake was to "look back". Of course it is a sign of mistrust, but I also wonder if it means psychoologically that we should not get attached to what was when we are trying to move on into the future. do you know what I mean? Let the past be where it belongs, in the underworld. another couple I would check is TRISTAN (1966) and ISOLDA (211)
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posted September 12, 2014 01:43 AM
and did anyone already mention PYRAMUS et THISBE? Of course that is just for the asteroids.
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posted September 12, 2014 01:46 AM
I checked my composite with Mr Sag, but though our Chiron is configured difficult(on 29 Aries in 3rd house conjunct ATROPOS on 00 Taurus, opposing UNION on 29 Libra squaring ASC on 1 Aquarius. Well it is also widely trine Sun on 26 Sag in 11th and trine DESTINN on 29 Leo in 7th house). No Yod, however the fact that Chiron is in 3rd house, where also our SN is located (not conjunct though), and the ruler of the SN Mars is conjunct the NN - well, makes me think of some issues having to addressed and solved, concerning communication especially. And isn´t that true? I might be the "faulty one", mking for the problems, as my natal Chiron is exactly on that composite SN in my 4th house, while his Pluto-ANTEROS-SPIRIT is on that NN (and Mars and AMOR and CUPIDO ) in his 7th house
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 09:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: i find it interesting that Orpheus big mistake was to "look back". Of course it is a sign of mistrust, but I also wonder if it means psychoologically that we should not get attached to what was when we are trying to move on into the future. do you know what I mean? Let the past be where it belongs, in the underworld. another couple I would check is TRISTAN (1966) and ISOLDA (211)
Yeah, good observation. I definitely know what you mean. As for Isolda and Tristan; what is their story? I personally don't have anything going on with those two but perhaps other cross star lovers reading this thread do. Would love to hear their story.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 09:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: and did anyone already mention PYRAMUS et THISBE? Of course that is just for the asteroids.
They represent Romeo and Juliet right? IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2014 09:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: They represent Romeo and Juliet right?
Yes, the Roman poet Ovidius wrote about them, but the story was set in Babylon, and the Romeo and Juliet story basically. As for Tristan and Isolde.
Isolde was a princess of Ireland, Tristan was a Knight to king marke, his uncle, in Cornwall, and was courting Isolde in his name, so there couuld a peace treaty be ensured by the joinng of Isolde and the king. (Ireland and Cornwall had be at war). Anyway, on the passage back to Cornwall, Tristan and Isolde mistakenly drank a love potion (though some sources say the potion was just emphasizing what was already there as an attraction), and couldn´t keep their hands off each other. Isolde married the king nevertheless (it was of political importance after all), but at the same time Isolde and Tristan couldn´t keep away from each other either, and an adulterous affair ensued. After a long time the king finally saw the signs, and banned them both from court. Tristan and Isolde were living together in a "locus amoenus" for quite some time, but separated from court (society) and eventually they could not make that work (the social isolation,d espite having each other), so when the king offered to take Isolde back, they decided Isolde would return to court, and Tristan left for another country, where he married another princess, only because she was having the same name as HIS Isolde. After a few years, he was being mortally wounded and asked for Isolde for help (she was a healer) and the sign she would come would be if her ship was carrying white sails (black ones for no). So when the ship was due, he asked his wife about the colour of the sails, and overcome with jealousy (he apparently never consumed his marrieage with her) she lied to him saying they were black. so Tristan died of a broken heart. When Isolde, who still loved him, found her lover back, she also died of a broken heart. they were buried side by side, but separated, yet it is said that there was a plant growing out of each grave and these two planets were growing together in the height and embracing each other. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 10:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, the Roman poet Ovidius wrote about them, but the story was set in Babylon, and the Romeo and Juliet story basically. As for Tristan and Isolde.
Isolde was a princess of Ireland, Tristan was a Knight to king marke, his uncle, in Cornwall, and was courting Isolde in his name, so there could a peace treaty be ensured by the joining of Isolde and the king. (Ireland and Cornwall had be at war). Anyway, on the passage back to Cornwall, Tristan and Isolde mistakenly drank a love potion (though some sources say the potion was just emphasizing what was already there as an attraction), and couldn´t keep their hands off each other. Isolde married the king nevertheless (it was of political importance after all), but at the same time Isolde and Tristan couldn´t keep away from each other either, and an adulterous affair ensued. After a long time the king finally saw the signs, and banned them both from court. Tristan and Isolde were living together in a "locus amoenus" for quite some time, but separated from court (society) and eventually they could not make that work (the social isolation,d espite having each other), so when the king offered to take Isolde back, they decided Isolde would return to court, and Tristan left for another country, where he married another princess, only because she was having the same name as HIS Isolde. After a few years, he was being mortally wounded and asked for Isolde for help (she was a healer) and the sign she would come would be if her ship was carrying white sails (black ones for no). So when the ship was due, he asked his wife about the colour of the sails, and overcome with jealousy (he apparently never consumed his marrieage with her) she lied to him saying they were black. so Tristan died of a broken heart. When Isolde, who still loved him, found her lover back, she also died of a broken heart. they were buried side by side, but separated, yet it is said that there was a plant growing out of each grave and these two planets were growing together in the height and embracing each other.
How moving..what a beautiful tragically romantic story. Very touching, thanks for sharing. I can see the archetype as it seems so many movies or shows are inspired by it right? LOL If I was a princess I would totally fall for a knight. I do have Knight/Aura/Iris/SouthNode stellium. I only know one romantic interest that conjuncts this stellium tightly with their saturn and he is the guy that I have a saturn/valentine apex yod with venus and mars. His Retro Isolda inconjuncts my Tristan. His Isolda and my Isolda square. His Tristan Opposes my venus and mars My Tristan conjuncts his moon/mars but widely for about 4 orbs. IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2014 02:21 PM
Well, I was actually writing a paper on Tristan and Isolde, just like I was writing a paper on Amor and Psyche (as it is originially called). I did it together with someone else, and for some reason I always ended up covering the male part of the duo. LOLAnyway it is relevant for me in my natal chart I have VESTA 1.22 Cap KNIGHT 1.55 Cap STONEHENGE 1.59 Cap SINDBAD 2.49 Cap BODA 3.36 Cap TRISTAN 3.43 Cap
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IRELAND 5.04 Sag Mars 5.10 Sag in 12th house, conj. ASC by 2 degrees, with mars ruling my soulsoup IC as well. Actually IQ saw most of these, when he analyzed my chart many years ago. He wrote about it:
"Remember I mentioned about your lifeline where you may have loved a sailor, who may have been lost in war? And you know about a definite Ancient English Lifeline as well. Well, guess what, you have: Asteroid STONEHENGE [Ancient English] exactly conjunct Asteroid SINDBAD [representing adventurous Sailors] in 2.3 Capricorn. KNIGHT is in 1.5 Capricorn and GILGAMESH in 0.5 Capricorn. What a major conjunction! VESTA is 1.2 Capricorn, adding dedication to the mix. You may have been the devoted wife of a medieval English Sailor lost in a brave battle? The same man of Ancient Sumeria and Egypt? And 2 degrees away is CHALDAEA, very close to Venus." The Sabian of Vesta-Knight-Stonehenge Three Rose Windows In A Gothic Church, One Damaged By War Sindbad A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment
Boda and TRISTAN A Group Of People Outfitting A Large Canoe At The Start Of A Journey By Water
now My ISOLDA is on 3 Aries conjunct my IC under 2 degrees and conjunct my DEJANIRA On 00 ARies as well.
ISOLDA Two Lovers Strolling On A Secluded Walk
DEJANIRA A Woman Just Risen From The Sea; A Seal Is Embracing Her As you can see TRISTAN is square ISOLDA Exact orb: 0-22 And ISOLDA Is angular on the IC, which represent the soulfamily/ soulhistory. ISOLDA is also trine Mars and IRELAND in 12th house though conjunct ASC. I remember very well the feeling I got stepping on Irish ground for the very first time in my life.
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posted September 12, 2014 02:46 PM
Mr Sag hasTRISTAN 22.30 Pisces PHOLUS 23.05 Pisces STONEHENGE 24.55 Pisces in 12th house ASC 25.04 Pisces trine his 12th house ruler Uranus 23.24 Scorpio in 8th. his 8th house also contains
IRELAND 3.49 Sag BODA 2.00 Sag squaring DEJANIRA 2.31 Virgo in 6th NN 1.23 Virgo I find it interesting how we both have Tristan conjunct Stonehenge. We both have a relation with the 12th house. We both have Ireland in early Sagittarius, as a matter of fact conjunct each other. Anyway for him ISOLDA 9.42 Pisces EROS 8.21 Pisces my name in his chart 9.10 Pisces opposing Mars 11.06 Virgo Jupiter 10.10 Virgo AMOR 9.03 Virgo and sextile Chiron 9.36 Taurs his Sabians are Tristan A "Materializing" Medium Giving A Seance Pholus On A Small Island Surrounded By The Vast Expanse Of The Sea, People Are Seen Living In Close Interaction Stonehenge A Religious Organization Succeeds In Overcoming The Corrupting Influence Of Perverted Practices and Materialized Ideals ISOLDA and my name An Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds in his chart thre is a parallel between Tristan and Isolda
Tristan 5.11 S Isolda 4.31 S plus Pallas 5.30 S Vesta 5.07 N IP: Logged |
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posted September 12, 2014 02:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Well, I was actually writing a paper on Tristan and Isolde, just like I was writing a paper on Amor and Psyche (as it is originially called). I did it together with someone else, and for some reason I always ended up covering the male part of the duo. LOLAnyway it is relevant for me in my natal chart I have VESTA 1.22 Cap KNIGHT 1.55 Cap STONEHENGE 1.59 Cap SINDBAD 2.49 Cap BODA 3.36 Cap TRISTAN 3.43 Cap
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IRELAND 5.04 Sag Mars 5.10 Sag in 12th house, conj. ASC by 2 degrees, with mars ruling my soulsoup IC as well. Actually IQ saw most of these, when he analyzed my chart many years ago. He wrote about it:
"Remember I mentioned about your lifeline where you may have loved a sailor, who may have been lost in war? And you know about a definite Ancient English Lifeline as well. Well, guess what, you have: Asteroid STONEHENGE [Ancient English] exactly conjunct Asteroid SINDBAD [representing adventurous Sailors] in 2.3 Capricorn. KNIGHT is in 1.5 Capricorn and GILGAMESH in 0.5 Capricorn. What a major conjunction! VESTA is 1.2 Capricorn, adding dedication to the mix. You may have been the devoted wife of a medieval English Sailor lost in a brave battle? The same man of Ancient Sumeria and Egypt? And 2 degrees away is CHALDAEA, very close to Venus." The Sabian of Vesta-Knight-Stonehenge Three Rose Windows In A Gothic Church, One Damaged By War Sindbad A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment
Boda and TRISTAN A Group Of People Outfitting A Large Canoe At The Start Of A Journey By Water
now My ISOLDA is on 3 Aries conjunct my IC under 2 degrees and conjunct my DEJANIRA On 00 ARies as well.
ISOLDA Two Lovers Strolling On A Secluded Walk
DEJANIRA A Woman Just Risen From The Sea; A Seal Is Embracing Her As you can see TRISTAN is square ISOLDA Exact orb: 0-22 And ISOLDA Is angular on the IC, which represent the soulfamily/ soulhistory. ISOLDA is also trine Mars and IRELAND in 12th house though conjunct ASC. I remember very well the feeling I got stepping on Irish ground for the very first time in my life.
I would love to read your paper  ------------------
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 12, 2014 11:08 PM
I would love to read about Amor and Psyche, your insights are so deep and always on point; by amor you are referring still to Eros in this case or to asteriod Amor?Are there anymore asteroid couples who reunite in the end like eros and psyche after many trials and challenges? IP: Logged |
hodad Knowflake Posts: 325 From: tiburon ca usa Registered: May 2009
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posted September 13, 2014 02:43 AM
If you are looking for astrological clues for star-crossed lovers with unfinished business,I often find Saturn/Neptune aspects in synastry--IP: Logged |
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posted September 13, 2014 02:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I would love to read your paper 
LOL Me, too. For some reason I don`t even have it anymore. I remember though that I was not particularly fond of Amor/ERos, when doing this, and thought he was acting like a "momma`s boy".  (running back to mommy just because things did not go the way he liked them, and PSyche actually had the audacity to have OWN thoughts and ideas about the relationship and not wanting to be kept as a secret in the dark) IP: Logged |
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posted September 13, 2014 02:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I would love to read about Amor and Psyche, your insights are so deep and always on point; by amor you are referring still to Eros in this case or to asteriod Amor?Are there anymore asteroid couples who reunite in the end like eros and psyche after many trials and challenges?
I am not having much time now, but well, I find it interesting how the whole astrological society jumped onto the pairing Eros-Psyche, when as a matter of fact in the original text the male part of Psyche was referred to as Amor, never as Eros.
Of course they are somewhat interchangeable, but Eros is far older than the story and a God of creation, one of the primal ones like Chaos or Nyx, even before the Olympic gods were created. Well he got domesticated by the Greek andRomans by making him son of Venus and whoever (either Mars or Mercury). But actually the Venus-son was rather Amor or Cupid, not Eros.
It is just a detail, but I find it important. Eros is the one every god has to answer to, including Venus! He is the one delivering the spark of creation (not just love btw). While Amor and Cupid are very much the later manifestations as sons of Venus, and as I find represent a bit of Eros, being split into two areas, the one governing unconditional love (Amor) and the other govering infatuation mostly (Cupid)
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Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 6734 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 13, 2014 04:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: i find it interesting that Orpheus big mistake was to "look back". Of course it is a sign of mistrust, but I also wonder if it means psychoologically that we should not get attached to what was when we are trying to move on into the future. do you know what I mean? Let the past be where it belongs, in the underworld.
I've absolutely looked at it that way, too, Ceri. Even a step further. We never know exactly how things are if you've gone to and returned from the Underworld. I've often wondered if Eurydices and Orpheus are in the process of reincarnating in some fashion. Their returning to the surface almost more of the guarantee they'll be doing so together. But the failure to 'trust she's behind him and just keep moving forward' splits them apart forever -- at least for awhile. He returns topside, she stays in the Underworld. So I wonder if EURYDIKE and ORPHEUS might not be useful in terms of karmic markers, too. Especially when taken with the Fates or even Norns. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 13, 2014 11:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: I've absolutely looked at it that way, too, Ceri. Even a step further. We never know exactly how things are if you've gone to and returned from the Underworld. I've often wondered if Eurydices and Orpheus are in the process of reincarnating in some fashion. Their returning to the surface almost more of the guarantee they'll be doing so together. But the failure to 'trust she's behind him and just keep moving forward' splits them apart forever -- at least for awhile. He returns topside, she stays in the Underworld. So I wonder if EURYDIKE and ORPHEUS might not be useful in terms of karmic markers, too. Especially when taken with the Fates or even Norns.
It also makes me think of the twin flame archetype and ascension theory although I am not a big believer of this. It sounds like they are ascending from the underworld and his lack of faith disrupts the process setting them back again and again until this lesson of faith is mastered; perhaps faith been the key to their ascension and the last lesson that needs to be mastered along with over dependence or what it feels more like to me over-attachment to one another. So perhaps it has less to do with karmic soulmates and more to do with TF not ready to ascend just yet but almost there. It reminds me of the movie "what dreams may come" in that he goes to the underworld to get her. I have to rewatch it now. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14580 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 13, 2014 11:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I am not having much time now, but well, I find it interesting how the whole astrological society jumped onto the pairing Eros-Psyche, when as a matter of fact in the original text the male part of Psyche was referred to as Amor, never as Eros. Of course they are somewhat interchangeable, but Eros is far older than the story and a God of creation, one of the primal ones like Chaos or Nyx, even before the Olympic gods were created. Well he got domesticated by the Greek andRomans by making him son of Venus and whoever (either Mars or Mercury). But actually the Venus-son was rather Amor or Cupid, not Eros.
It is just a detail, but I find it important. Eros is the one every god has to answer to, including Venus! He is the one delivering the spark of creation (not just love btw). While Amor and Cupid are very much the later manifestations as sons of Venus, and as I find represent a bit of Eros, being split into two areas, the one governing unconditional love (Amor) and the other govering infatuation mostly (Cupid)
It is a super important detail, you are right! What you are saying makes a lot of sense. Eros its ultimately more about creation. I remember learning in class that Eros creates and Thanatos destroys. Freud was a big fan of this theory so you pointing out that Eros is more like Chaos fits. Amor is agape love and unconditional love so I think is a better fit than Eros for Psyche. However Amor perhaps could also be the result of Psyche and whoever is the true counterpart of psyche. The question now is what is the true female counterpart of Eros? Do you have your own theories on this? IP: Logged |
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posted September 13, 2014 11:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: LOL Me, too. For some reason I don`t even have it anymore. I remember though that I was not particularly fond of Amor/ERos, when doing this, and thought he was acting like a "momma`s boy".  (running back to mommy just because things did not go the way he liked them, and PSyche actually had the audacity to have OWN thoughts and ideas about the relationship and not wanting to be kept as a secret in the dark)
 He totally is acting like a mommas boy! hahaha It does cheapen the story a bit. Nobody wants their soulmate to be a momma's boy. You want a man who would fight for you and win you over without the help of their mother. IP: Logged |
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posted September 13, 2014 04:57 PM
I think we can also add hylonome and cyllarus to the list:Asteroid Hylonome 10370 was a female centaur in Greek mythology. Hylonome was heartbroken and killed herself when her beloved partner, the centaur Cyllarus was killed in battle. She immediately took her own life with the very same fatal arrow. This is the ultimate centaur sacrifice; suicide in order to be reunited with one’s soulmate and be at one with the cosmos. Like Chiron and all centaurs, Hylonome bridges two outer planets and has a transforming influence. Here she transforms Uranian shock into altruism and Neptunian yearning to connect with source. The negative manifestation of this is fairly obvious, playing the martyr and thinking ones life is meaningless without a partner. Suicide bombers are a good example of this archetype, with the explosive thunderbolt Uranian energy being the passport to ultimate Neptunian redemption in heaven. The story of Hylonome and Cyllarus is indeed touching. The two were inseparable. Ovid states “Their love was equal; on the hills they roamed together, and together they would go back to their cave”. So then when her soulmate died what else could Hylonome do but join him in the afterlife. It’s safe to say that Cyllarus would have followed suit such was their devotion to each other. “Hylonome embraced him as he died, caressed the wound and, putting lips to lips, she tried to stay his spirit as it fled.” From: http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-hylonome/ In comp my ex and I have: Hylonome at 6 Leo 53' 1" Cyllarus at 4 aqua 52' 1" So Hylonome opposes Cyllarus by 2 orbs. However, I also have this with my husband a tiny bit wider. It seems these two centaurs move very slowly.
This couple is similar to eurydike and orpheus in the that there is danger for psychological dependence it seems. It should be interesting to see if this couple is prominent in the synastry of couples who make it to old age but die almost immediately one after the other naturally. The kind of couple that you know they had a great relationship so you are not surprised that one died within months or a few years after the other. IP: Logged |
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posted September 13, 2014 06:11 PM
Hylonome In AstrologyHylonome will show where you will make the ultimate sacrifice, who and what you will die for. If it is conjunct Ceres in the 5th you would die for your children, in the 9th conjunct Neptune a chance you may martyr yourself for religious beliefs. Check it out in synastry where it will show how devoted you are to your partner. Aspect is important, a Hylonome hard aspect to a partners Mars for example may show that the Hylonome partner is too self-sacrificial for their own good. There is a danger like the Berenice myth that one is cutting off ones spiritual power, magic and sexuality in order to appease an insecure and bullying partner. When the partnership is truly equal then Hylonome’s loving devotion is totally awe-inspiring, transformative and healing. IP: Logged |
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posted September 14, 2014 02:27 AM
The myth of Orpheus and Eurydike really speaks to me... I seem to resonate a lot with it somehow. Ha and what do you know; My Eurydike trine his Orpheus 2' His Eurydike opposite my Orpheus 3' ......well sh*t.
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posted September 14, 2014 04:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Hylonome In AstrologyHylonome will show where you will make the ultimate sacrifice, who and what you will die for. If it is conjunct Ceres in the 5th you would die for your children, in the 9th conjunct Neptune a chance you may martyr yourself for religious beliefs. Check it out in synastry where it will show how devoted you are to your partner. Aspect is important, a Hylonome hard aspect to a partners Mars for example may show that the Hylonome partner is too self-sacrificial for their own good. There is a danger like the Berenice myth that one is cutting off ones spiritual power, magic and sexuality in order to appease an insecure and bullying partner. When the partnership is truly equal then Hylonome’s loving devotion is totally awe-inspiring, transformative and healing.
This asteroid sounds very intense. I decided to check a few charts of couples I know who's relationships had the "sacrificial" theme in common lol. I looked at a mixture of true-love and unrequited synastries – and the results were quite intriguing... Couple 1: Highschool sweethearts, married and then divorced. The girl did a lot for the guy but he could are less.
Her Hylonome opposite his Jupiter 1' Her Hylonome square his NN 3' Her Hylonome trine his Moon 2' Her Hylonome trine his Venus 1' Her Hylonome trine his Uranus 2' Her Hylonome sextile his Mars 1' His Hylonome square her NN 2' Composite Hylonome conjunct Jupiter 1' Composite Hylonome square Mercury 0' Composite Hylonome square NN 3' Composite Hylonome trine Uranus 1' ---x---
Couple 2: Together for 4 years. They've been through a bunch of ups and downs but have immense love for eachother none the less. They feel they are Twinflames. His Hylonome opposite her Neptune 0' His Hylonome trine her Mars 0' His Hylonome trine her Pluto 0' Her Hylonome conjunct his Venus 0' Her Hylonome trine his Asc 1' Her Hylonome sextile his Pluto 0' Composite Hylonome square Pluto 0' ---x---
Couple 3: Been together for 5 years, on off. Overwhelming/obsessive relationship. The girl sacrificed a lot for the guy, but the guy finds it all too much and tends to run occasionally, though he always ends up going back to her. They are engaged to be married now. She feels they are Twinflames but the guy is in denial. Very complicated relationship. His Hylonome square her Pluto 1' His Hylonome square her Chiron 2' His Hylonome quincunx her Uranus 0' Her Hylonome conjunct his Sun 0' Her Hylonome quincunx his Moon 1' Her Hylonome opposite his Cyllarus 0' Composite Hylonome conjunct MC 0' Composite Hylonome square Venus 0' Composite Hylonome square Pluto 2' ---x---
Couple 4: Happily married for 3 years, met online 2 years ago. Very much in love. Feel they too are twinflames. His Hylonome trine her Uranus 2' Her Hylonome opposite his Jupiter 1' Her Hylonome trine her Mars 0' Her Hylonome trine her Jupiter 1' Composite Hylonome opposite Cyllarus 1' ---x---
Couple 5: Relationship only lasted for a year. Guy was very much in love with the girl and sacrificed a lot for her. Girl didn't care much and left him. His Hylonome conjunct her Jupiter 2' His Hylonome square her Sun 0' His Hylonome trine her NN 1' Her Hylonome does not make a single aspect to his chart. Interesting. Composite Hylonome trine Uranus 1' ---x---
Couple 6: Been in a loving union for about 20 years. Filled with a great amount of highs and lows but they always seemed to work it out. They feel they are true twinflames. His Hylonome conjunct her Desc 0' His Hylonome conjunct her Saturn 1' His Hylonome opposite her Moon 1' His Hylonome square her Mars 0' Her Hylonome trine his IC 0' Her Hylonome trine his Cyllarus 0' Composite Hylonome sextile Sun 2' Composite Hylonome sextile Mercury 0' (Composite Hylonome opposite Moon 4') ---x---
Me and Virgo guy: My Hylonome conjunct his Juno 1' My Hylonome square his Uranus 1' My Hylonome trine his MC 2' His Hylonome conjunct my Sun 1' His Hylonome opposite my Saturn 2' His Hylonome trine my MC 0' His Hylonome sextile my Moon 1' His Hylonome sextile my Mars 2' His Hylonome sextile my Jupiter 2' Composite Hylonome trine Vertex 1' Composite Hylonome trine MC 1' Composite Hylonome sextile Pluto 0' Composite Hylonome parallel Cyllarus 0'
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