posted September 25, 2014 11:19 AM            

According to legend, after their birth Izanagi and Izanami stood on the floating bridge of heaven and stirred the primeval ocean with a jeweled spear. When they lifted the spear, the drops that fell back into the water formed the first solid land, an island called Onogoro. Izanagi and Izanami descended to the island and became husband and wife. Their first child was deformed, and the other gods said it was because Izanami spoke before her husband at their marriage ceremony.

The couple performed another wedding ceremony, this time correctly. Izanami soon gave birth to eight lovely children, who became the islands of Japan. Izanagi and Izanami then created many gods and goddesses to represent the mountains, valleys, waterfalls, streams, winds, and other natural features of Japan. However, during the birth of Kagutsuchi, the fire god, Izanami was badly burned. As she lay dying, she continued to create gods and goddesses, and still other deities emerged from the tears of the grief-stricken Izanagi.

When Izanami died, she went to Yomi-tsu Kuni. Izanagi decided to go there and bring his beloved back from the land of darkness and death. Izanami greeted Izanagi from the shadows as he approached the entrance to Yomi. She warned him not to look at her and said that she would try to arrange for her release from the gods of Yomi. Full of desire for his wife, Izanagi lit a torch and looked into Yomi. Horrified to see that Izanami was a rotting corpse, Izanagi fled.

Angry that Izanagi had not respected her wishes, Izanami sent hideous female spirits, eight thunder gods, and an army of fierce warriors to chase him. Izanagi managed to escape and blocked the pass between Yomi and the land of the living with a huge boulder. Izanami met him there, and they broke off their marriage.

Instead of trying to find a solution or rescuing her he Fled! Sounds like a Coward. Although if she would have not reacted automatically with vengeance and just waited he probably would have returned; his initial reaction to flee was out of shock. The vindictive behavior forced him to close the pass that would allow him to return! Disaster brought to you by cowardice, vengeance, hurt, shock and impulsiveness.

It is a star crossed lovers story indeed.

posted September 25, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interestingly our composite Venus falls onto Vega, and our ASC is on Altair.

Anyway imo it does not make sense to make draconics of fixed stars, as they stem from totally different systems.
The draconics are tied to the tropical (earthly) chart, while the fixed stars are a sidereal coordinate system.

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That may be so, but I think since most star-crossed relationships are due to past karma, it can be relevant to check "what came before". Moreover, it's really the only way to "move" the fixed stars. I think it "internalizes" the energy of the star into a personal point for the native. IE, "my" VEGA point.

Otherwise, as you mentioned, important conjunctions like composite VENUS and AC are certainly a marker. Symbolic pairings in synastry too, perhaps (ie, woman's VENUS on VEGA, man's MARS on ALTAIR, or their respective DC rulers).

posted September 28, 2014 01:12 PM            

"Relationship endings are particularly difficult for this galactic point. The pain seems to last longer and the healing process rivals any classic love tragedy. This effect exists only because the grieving partner placed total self-energy into the other person’s energy. A tear in the aura goes with the emotional anguish of separation. This energetic rip debilitates the person for a while. Appetite, energy and the ability to conduct daily life cease to exist. Other wounded parties exhibit the rebound characteristics with great relish. Here, they immediately seek another relationship guaranteed to fall infinitely short of the relationship just ended. This relationship slam dunk sets the individual back even further. But it does make the clear point that adding energy to a void that cannot adequately reciprocate, fails miserably."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001103.html

posted September 28, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by la_mer:
can you also see the star-crossed theme in the progressions? for example I have read that sun square venus either from natal to progressed or both progressed planets could indicate a delay or a block or something like that..

I've met someone last year, there is always something/someone that keeps the relationship in the "not today"-area and voila: his progressed sun square my natal venus almost exact. I used to blame it on the uranian synastry lol, but it seems to be a theme

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Great contribution. I think so....I actually have this with my aqua friend and we met at the wrong time. His p-venus squares my p-sun. His p-Sun opposes my p-venus. We also have a natal composite Yod involving saturn incojunct venus and mars in davidson.

posted September 28, 2014 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

I would confirm this aspect is a contributor but since it involves progress charts I would say that if this is the only star crossed lover aspect you are dealing with then its a temporary blockage so once the progressed chart stops making these hard aspects between sun and venus then you two may a chance then, maybe...

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posted December 06, 2015 06:32 PM            

Byblis # 199
Byblis acknowledged her love for Caunus (her twin brother), and despite her initial efforts to convince herself that her feelings were natural, she realized the inappropriateness of them. Unable to keep her love for Caunus a secret from him any longer, she sent him a long love letter through a servant giving examples of other incestuous relationships between the gods. Disgusted, he ran away. Believing that she could yet make him love her, she was determined to try to woo him once more. When she found out that he had fled, she tore her clothes in sorrow and was driven into madness. She followed him through much of Greece and Asia Minor until she finally died, worn out by her grief and the long journey. As she had been constantly crying, she was changed into a spring.

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My ex and I have: my Saturn-DNA-Adonis conjunct his Innanen forming a grand trine with his DNA and my Byblis; this is an exact grand trine except for his Innanen which conjuncts my Adonis by 1d11.
His DNA in Pisces @2d54

My Adonis in Scorpio @2d54
My DNA in Scorpio @2d53
My Saturn in Scorpio @2d39
His Innanen in Scorpio @4d06

My Innanen in Cancer @2d48
My Byblis in Cancer @2d29

He has Astarte conjunct Adonis semisextile Byblis. His astarte-adonis conjunct my TNP-CUPIDO and all semisextiles his Byblis.

In midpoint composite we have Byblis conjunct Venus opposite Moon.

DAVISON Composite KITE:

ADONIS in Cancer @24d53
INNANEN in Pisces @24d18
DC in Scorpio @22d53
AC in Taurus in @22d53

I do feel our love was forbidden in an Egyptian or SUMERIAN past life and my mom never approved of him in this life which gave that 'forbidden love' theme continuation of it which she probably played a key role in a past life as well. Not to mention that we continued to love each other even after we got involved with someone else making each other feel like we are each other's forbidden fruit continuing that familiar past life theme in this one.

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Mr.Aqua I met while I was involved in a committed relationship and we never got to be truly together formerly like we hoped. We did have a brief affair and stayed in touch as friends for several years after from a distance.

In Davison we have:

Saturn conjunct Valentine inconjuncting Venus sextile Mars exact, forming a Yod.

**Byblis trines our Yod Venus, sextiles our Yod Mars and squares our Yod Saturn!!!!!!!!! WOW. Byblis also opposes our Anteros. In addition our Davison Byblis conjuncts exact my natal Venus stellium. Our love was definitely forbidden, it specially felt that way to him.

In synastry his Byblis opposes exact my Eros.

Based on my experience Byblis has more to do with Forbidden love or Love that could not be for external factors like disapproval from society or parents or one already being involved in a relationship etc than it has to do with unrequited love. Every example I gave the love was equally requited in intensity at some point and for a long time.

posted December 06, 2015 06:51 PM            

"ENCYCLOPEDIA

BYBLIS (Bublis), a daughter of Miletus and Eidothea (others call her mother Tragasia or Areia), and sister of Caunus. The story about her is related in different ways. One tradition is, that Caunus loved his sister with more than brotherly affection, and as he could not get over this feeling, he quitted his father's home and Miletus, and settled in Lycia. Byblis, deeply grieved at the flight of her brother, went out to seek him, and having wandered about for a long time, hung herself by means of her girdle. Out of her tears arose the well Byblis. (Parthen. Erot. 11; Conon, Narrat. 2.) According to another tradition, Byblis herself was seized with a hopeless passion for her brother, and as in her despair she was on the point of leaping from a rock into the sea, she was kept back by nymphs, who sent her into a profound sleep. In this sleep she was made an immortal Hamadryas; and the little stream which came down that rock was called by the neighboring people the tears of Byblis. (Antonin. Lib. 30.) A third tradition, which likewise represented Byblis in love with her brother, made her reveal to him her passion, whereupon Caunus fled to the country of the Leleges, and Byblis hung herself. (Parthen. l. c.) Ovid (Met. ix. 446-665) in his description combines several features of the different legends; Byblis is in love with Caunus, and as her love grows from day to day, he escapes; but she follows him through Caria, Lycia, &c., until at last she sinks down worn out; and as she is crying perpetually, she is changed into a well. The town of Byblus in Phoenicia is said to have derived its name from her. (Steph. Byz. s. v.)

Source: Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology."

"There are various forms of the story about Kaunos (Caunus) and Byblis, the children of Miletos. Nikainetos [Alexandrian poet C3rd B.C.] says that Kaunos fell in love with his sister, and, being unable to rid himself of his passion, left his home and traveled far from his native land: he there founded a city to be inhabited by the scattered Ionian people."

Its official they were twins:

"Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 30 (trans. Celoria) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) :
"Miletos [son of Apollon and Akakallis] built the city of Miletos and married Eidothee, daughter of Eurytos king of Karia (Caria). She became the mother of twins, Kaunos (Caunus) and Byblis after whom are named to this day the Karian cities of Kaunos and of Byblis.
Byblis attracted many local suitors, because of her fame, some from nearby cities as well. She did not pay them much attention since an unspeakable desire for Kaunos was driving her mad. Because she did all she could to hide this passion, she kept it from her parents. But daily she was being gripped by an even more unmanageable Daimon and one night she decided to throw herself from a rock.
She went to a nearby mountain and set about throwing herself off. But Nymphai, pitying her, held her back. Casting her into a deep sleep they changed her from a mortal to a deity, into a Nymphe called a Hamadryas [or Hydrias] named Byblis. They made her their companion and sharer of their way of life. The stream which flows from that rock is called to this day by local people the Tears of Byblis."