posted October 07, 2014 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Have you looked up the midpoint action when you first met, which midpoints were triggered (1 degree) in your natal chart, esepcially from transiting Moon, Sun, ASC, MC and Vertex?

I vaguel remember having done that years ago and burst out in laughter, as it described the unusual circumstance, the bizarreness and electricity too well. I can`t quite remember, but I think must have been something with Uranus. lol

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Ahhhh that's something so interesting to check, brilliant idea! With the FM chart for both people

posted October 07, 2014 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

and yes, of course that means that his Neptune is conjunct my Mars and my Neptune conjuncts his Venus, and everything happening on both ASC`s.
Makes sense in terms of celebrity, synastry, doesn`t it?

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Yeah, but at the same time, it's mutual activation, both romance and marital, so you would be a star for him too

posted October 07, 2014 06:50 AM            

I mean we don't know each other but we are attracted via www

posted October 07, 2014 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So my Sun/Moon on 21°31 Cap:

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Getting back to this...as I was saying, I think it's interesting to check this kind of superposition, when your Sun/Moon is simulatenously activated with a part of his chart. Sun/Moon being this inner integration, symbol for one's inner partner, so what does he have on your inner partner and viceversa? (what does he bring to it)

his Vesta/ Ceres 20°01 Aries
(precise on my Chiron by one minute )
his pint of nurturing/devoted

his NN/Mercury (r7) 20°22 Libra
a fated marker

his Neptune / Pallas 22°23 Cap
his point of psychic connection

his Chiron / Ceres 23°19 Aries
his point of being healed/a healer

his Sun/Moon on 27°48 Sag
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my DESC / Saturn 27°01 Gemini
a fated marker, you as a a stable partner

my Pluto / Juno 28°01 Sag
a bit the same here

my Mercury (r7) /Vesta 28°12 Sag
you as a devoted stable partner lol

my Vertex/Mars 28°22 Virgo
a fated man for you

my saturn/Neptune 28°27 Virgo
I,m not sure about this one...that's one case when we need to know rulers

my Saturn/NN 28°33 Virgo
a fated marker

my Sun/Vesta 28°39 Sagittarius
hahah funny another marker for stable devoted partner

hat's what you would be for him so you see, I think there's a little profile being highlighted here.

posted October 07, 2014 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my Venus/Mars 20°38 Sag

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The same here, if your Point of Passion lol is being activated (I see it more as a general point of love and romance) - what will be activated for him

my Venus/Mars 20°38 Sag
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his MC / Mercury (r7) 18°57 Sag
a point for an official partner/relationship
his Moon/Mercury (r5/r7) 19°01 Sag
marriage out of love, perfect communication
his NN/Ceres 19°12 Gemini
life advancement, ceres lessons maybe, a protective woman/or he is the protective partner too (like a mother)
his Vx/Jupiter 19°26 Virgo
a happy encounter perhaps, or just fate

his Venus/Mars 18°30 Scorpio
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my Saturn/Juno 16.57 Taurus
again, the faithful wife
my Mercury (r7) / Pluto (r11) 17°03 Scorpio
feeling someone's passion, a mental connection, mental transformation
my Sun/Pluto 17°30 Scorpio
your Plutonian side triggered with more than one marker
my MC/Vesta 18°13 Scorpio
finding passion in what you do
my Mars/Uranus 18°15 Scorpio
hehehehe exciting man, adventures and travelling
my ASC/Uranus 19°13 Scorpio
excitement with a big E
my Vx/Juno 19°16 Taurus
a fated partner

posted October 07, 2014 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My Moon is peregrine (traditionally and unaspected) in Aquarius in 2nd house in my chart, though it has an exact quinkunx to Saturn. mutual house reception of 2nd and 8th ruler.

Venus is peregrine traditionally as well, in Capricorn in 1st house, but it also squares Pluto on the MC, and has wide sextiles to Jupiter and Uranus, and in fact the Jupiter/Uranus-mp falls onto Venus

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I find this very interesting - this part of oneself that can only be activated with the help of another.

Your peregrine Moon
also my Sun/Moon mdp not being active in my chart and me having Moon intercepted in Leo, plus the Moon is in my 7th. While I have my own Sun on a cluster of my mdps, there's this whole part of myself in the 7th - the intercepted Leo Moon (plus the Sun/Moon mdp itself is in the 7th) meant to be activated by partnerships.

It makes sense and the connection to the symbolism of a peregrine Moon or an intercepted Moon is quite cool.

posted October 07, 2014 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Yeah, but at the same time, it's mutual activation, both romance and marital, so you would be a star for him too

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I actually think I would be.

It was funny, last time I saw him (new years eve), I happened to sit first row (my friend`s idea), and I noticed how the girl beside me constantly tried to climb onto my lap, as it seeemed, and it was just then that I realized she most likely was trying to force his attention, and it was really only then that I realized that he was looking at me.
Well I was rather concentrated on the play (and i never would have thought it to be such an entertaining play. I mean, come on, Henry V, entertaining? Noone believes me when I say that, but it was).

Anyway it was my friend who remarked on that later on, that he was stealing some glances at me, when I wasn`t quite looking (and he had nothing better to do than standing around on stage). Not too obvious though, not like Mr Sag. But all in all that was a hilarious new years eve. lol

So yeah, I suppose I must have some undiscovered star quality. lol

posted October 07, 2014 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
No, but we probably will. No, i find him interesting and sexy and somehow I see traits in him I search for but I don't feel well in his presence I don't feel like I could be just myself when he's around.
Apart from that he is married and has 3 children so nothing is going to happen. But it's just weird how hot and disagreeable at the same time he is

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awwww married with 3 children and he's all over yours mdps...too bad! the next one must be on your mdps, but without his wife and kids!

posted October 07, 2014 07:21 AM            

Is that what he would see in me? Or is it what he would activate in me?

Well I can see that, though. It is funny, but I have been rather committed to this experience (whatever it really is), and it`s very rare to feel interested in someone or something for such a long time, consistently. Usually it is the typical Uranian, high peaks, and deep lows kind of thing, and in the lows I couldn`t care less about someone/ something. But he keeps me intrigued. Maybe because I cannot figure this whole thing out. No easy answers with this one. And he always does things that push me out of my comfort zone or push me to shift my perception of things, maybe that is why I am still so fascinated with him. lol

But I also feel that even if there developed a closer connection over time, it just would never be a noncommittal lighthearted here-today-gone-tomorrow-and-okay-with-it kind.
Something about it feels potentally very serious, maybe too serious.

posted October 07, 2014 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Okay, Leo DiCaprio and I

- his sun/moon = is square my moon (my chart ruler)
- his Pluto/venus and Pluto/sun and Mercury/Uranus = is opposite my moon
- his mars/venus and mars/sun = my Uranus and is square a lot of stuff in my Chart
- his Juno/sun and Juno/venus and Jupiter/sund and moon/vertex = is opposite my venus
- his Uranus/vertex and Mercury/vertex and ceres/neptune = is opposite my ascendant
- his Juno/neptune and Juno/Vesta and mars/vertex = is opposite my sun
- his mars/Pluto = is square my sun
- his sun/vertex = is square my moon

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So you gave up Fassy....good idea!

Assuming one day your freelance job gets you to do a project for Leo...

his sun/moon = is square my moon (my chart ruler)
Moon on Sun/Moon - this one alone would be good enough for you to get married

- his Pluto/venus and Pluto/sun and Mercury/Uranus = is opposite my moon
you would drive the man crazy, in a passionate and exciting way...make him feel very smart too hahahaha

- his mars/venus and mars/sun = my Uranus and is square a lot of stuff in my Chart
you would definitely make this man feel like a movie star in your presence....a cape and sword action hero

- his Juno/sun and Juno/venus and Jupiter/sund and moon/vertex = is opposite my venus
wow the love of his life, you are

- his Uranus/vertex and Mercury/vertex and ceres/neptune = is opposite my ascendant
you mean they are on your DSC....hm there's a theoretical chance here for you to meet him...it also shows he's a foreigner for you

- his Juno/neptune and Juno/Vesta and mars/vertex = is opposite my sun
you are on his ideal partner

- his mars/Pluto = is square my sun
he would feel very mainly in your presence

- his sun/vertex = is square my moon
another marker for a possible meeting
I hope he won't be 70 by then

posted October 07, 2014 07:31 AM            

I am rather afraid of meeting Leo DiCaprio when I accidentally wear no Make-up but jogging trousers.

posted October 07, 2014 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The same here, if your Point of Passion lol is being activated (I see it more as a general point of love and romance) - what will be activated for him

my Venus/Mars 20°38 Sag

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Yes, there is a lot of excitment and shifting perspective for me when it comes to him, along with the familiarity.

As for the nurturing principle. his Ceres also conjuncts my IC and is exactly trine my ASC. In fact it also opposes my Pluto, squares my Venus, trines my Mars, Neptune, NN and Lust, while my Ceres conjuncts his Eros, opposes his Mars, Jupiter, Amor, sextile his Chiron, squares his MErcury, trine his Lust and so on.

So there is pretty much Ceres right there.
Oh yes, my Ceres is on the midpoint of his Ceres/Proserpina-mp, semisextile both.
oh and his Ceres/Persephone-mp falls exactly onto my SN in 7th house, and 3 degrees off my DESC (my SN is widely sextile his Ceres and Persephone, 3 degree orb).

and my Ceres/Persephone is on 11 Sagittarius, on my NN, hmm, interesting.

so let me get that straight:

his Ceres/Persephone: 10°18 Gemini
my Ceres/Persephone: 11°28 Sagittarius

Now, if that isn`t interesting!

I suppose we have a bear hug of Ceres-Persephone then, even if it is not exact

posted October 07, 2014 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"hat's what you would be for him so you see, I think there's a little profile being highlighted here.
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Is that what he would see in me? Or is it what he would activate in me?

Well I can see that, though. It is funny, but I have been rather committed to this experience (whatever it really is), and it`s very rare to feel interested in someone or something for such a long time, consistently. Usually it is the typical Uranian, high peaks, and deep lows kind of thing, and in the lows I couldn`t care less about someone/ something. But he keeps me intrigued. Maybe because I cannot figure this whole thing out. No easy answers with this one. And he always does things that push me out of my comfort zone or push me to shift my perception of things, maybe that is why I am still so fascinated with him. lol

But I also feel that even if there developed a closer connection over time, it just would never be a noncommittal lighthearted here-today-gone-tomorrow-and-okay-with-it kind.
Something about it feels potentally very serious, maybe too serious.

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If you ask me, Ceri, you do have a star quality: a potion of outers and very solar; you shine

I think in the event of a relationship when someone is showing their Sun/Moon or Venus/Mars to the other, the other brings that cluster; it's an exchange. The midpoint cluster shows what this integration in the other (the other showing their lover/husband/wife side) triggers in the cluster person and in exchange, the cluster person fuels the other's Yin/Yang integration with the cluster energy.

For example, Pluto Man has his Jupiter on my Sun/Moon mdp (opp), but along with his Jupiter, he brings:

Pholus/Union - a fate marker for a turning point relationship
Cupido/Priapus - erotic union
MC/Saturn/Lust - visible and perhaps long-term Lust (not just sexually)
Pluto-Psyche/Pallas - perhaps accessing a deep side of himself, of his mind, soul-probing
Venus/ASC - still not sure about this one, of course, it also means Venus/DSC - perhaps a marker for an ideal love partner/woman for a man, or just someone he loves
POF- Valentine/Lust - a happy romantic experience
Cupido/Lilith - it goes well with all our Lilith contacts: the Lilith side he loves in me
Venus/Vertex - a fated love meeting
NN/Amor - fated love
Cupido- Psyche/Pallas - a lot of Cupido for him, I don't mind this: Cupido keeps things fresh, it has a 5th house vibe, a quintile vibe and we do have those
Mercury- Pholus/Alma - more "awakening of the mind" stuff
and a marital one:
his Sun/Juno mdp

posted October 07, 2014 08:39 AM            

His Sun/Moon 19 Cap, right on my ASC
but I also have there:

Saturn/Pallas - probably a stabilizing influence/mind
Eros/Ceres - sensuality, I suppose
Chiron/Alma - my point of pain and revelation lol
Alma/Valentine - a romantic soul hahahahaha (this is actually my Uranus/Valentine - Chiron - Cupido - Pallas cross)
Mercury/Lust - lust for learning hahahaha kidding! but in a way, yes
Saturn/Cupido - a bit antagonistic - perhaps more playful as time goes by or enduring infatuation
Venus/Eros - that's nice...I never noticed I had his on my ASC hehe
Mercury/Uranus - enhances mental processes and the mind a lot, may change my perspective
Neptune/Amor - a romantic, ideal love, soulmate stuff
Vertex/POF/NN - the one I'm the most impressed with, because that's how I discovered I have this mdp on my ASC/DSC and consequently, on his Sun/Moon mdp.

So that's the package he gets lol and in turn, fuels in me when being my partner.

posted October 07, 2014 09:05 AM            

And wonderful midpoints you have there! So erotic and enduring and serious as well. Ilike that mix of playfulness and sincerity. Passion and commitment.

you remind me I have to check for the asteroid midpoints as well (solar fire doesn`t have Eros, or Lust or all these juicy ones. lol)

For now I have looked up the first meeting chart and which midpoints were triggered in our charts.

I noticed 2 things:

1) first meeting Moon was pretty much at the same position as it was last june, when he was commenting about me (just one degree off).

2) putting a bit more focus on this 0-1 Capricorn, I notice of course that my Vesta is there and my Sun/Venus-mp.
But more than this it triggers BOTH Mercury/Venus-mp.

of course that means we have these midpoints conjunct, though widely (mine is at 00 Cap, his at 02 Cap).

Nevertheless that means of course we have a widish Bear Hug with Mercury-Venus.

his Mercury - my Venus: 26°44
my Mercury - his Venus: 30°53

and composite
Mercury 17°13 Sag
Venus 16°01 Capricorn

So widely semisextile.

not totally impressive, but interesting.
And the second bear hug we share with Mercury, the other being with Pluto, and then again we both have Venus-square pluto natally. Seems there is a bit of a three-planets-interrelation between Mercury-Venus-Pluto. Not very obvious though.

posted October 07, 2014 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
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Mercury/Lust - lust for learning hahahaha kidding! but in a way, yes

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Hmm, oral pleasures? I am meaning of course playing with words.
Or maybe simply activating the lust for talking, thinking, communicating.

Reminded me of that quote from "Buffy, the vampire slayer", when Willow was talking to Buffy, saying:

posted October 07, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, oral pleasures?

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that's a good one
you made me blush, Ceri

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I am meaning of course playing with words.
Or maybe simply activating the lust for talking, thinking, communicating.

Reminded me of that quote from "Buffy, the vampire slayer", when Willow was talking to Buffy, saying:

"Willow: I think you're ready now, or at least in the state of pre-readiness to make conversation, or-or to do that thing with your mouth that boys like. [Buffy glares at her] Oh, I didn't mean that bad thing with your mouth, I meant that little half-smile thing that you... "

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Of course.

Ceri, I love your candid naughtiness, you made my day with this one

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posted October 07, 2014 10:42 AM            

my Venus: 6°07 Cap
his Eros/Lust: 7°21 Cap

Actually his
Lust sextile my Venus 0°14
Eros sextile my Venus 2°13

posted October 07, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Of course.

Ceri, I love your candid naughtiness, you made my day with this one

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I am glad you liked it.

posted October 07, 2014 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Funny, I never noticed that before, but it seems like my Venus is on his Eros/Lust-mp, though not exact.

my Venus: 6°07 Cap
his Eros/Lust: 7°21 Cap

Actually his
Lust sextile my Venus 0°14
Eros sextile my Venus 2°13

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...and that's another interesting thing, of course: when the connection on a mdp is also backed by actual aspects between the 3 players: those mdps will for sure be highlighted in the interaction, it will be like the comparison between a tight aspect vs a wide aspect in synastry; I suppose they will be in the limelight.

In fact, it is interesting how many of these combos: aspects + mdp activation are present in a connective synastry; there's usually a strong interaction between these two levels.

posted October 07, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

...and that's another interesting thing, of course: when the connection on a mdp is also backed by actual aspects between the 3 players: those mdps will for sure be highlighted in the interaction, it will be like the comparison between a tight aspect vs a wide aspect in synastry; I suppose they will be in the limelight.

In fact, it is interesting how many of these combos: aspects + mdp activation are present in a connective synastry; there's usually a strong interaction between these two levels.

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Yes, I agree, but to see some of those we really need to take into account the 5th and 8th harmonics as well. maybe 9th. These seem to come up a lot, too, and should not be underestimated imo.

posted October 07, 2014 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, I agree, but to see some of those we really need to take into account the 5th and 8th harmonics as well. maybe 9th. These seem to come up a lot, too, and should not be underestimated imo.

In fact years ago I had the thought and proposed to consider the closed circuits in a synastry, the closed patterns there are. Of course we are already doing that with the big aspect patterns. But I would like to expand on this thought with considering the others as well, especially the aspect patterns made of the same harmonic, which will always have underlying midpoint pictures going on there, too, if they are tight aspect patterns.

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This must be your upcoming "aspect patterns in harmonics" thread I'm looking forward to

For Venus/Mars, I have:

my Venus/Mars mdp (on my Sun actually), he brings:

Saturn/Neptune (ICr/DSCr)
MC/Neptune
Vesta/Union
Mars/Saturn (8thr/ICr)
Mars/MC
Amor/Aphrodite
Amor/Psyche
Venus/Uranus
Vesta/Eros
ASC - Alma/Pholus
Jupiter/Pluto
Moon/Lilith
Chiron/Ceres
Pallas/Amor
Cupido/Mercury
Chiron/priapus
Chiron/Eros

wow a big bunch of them

his Venus/Mars (on his Cupido and my Pluto lol), my mdps

Sun/Chiron
Sun/Valentine
Sun/Uranus
Alma/Union
Mars/Alma
MC/Vertex
MC/Amor
MC/Priapus
Mercury/Pluto
Venus/Vesta

posted October 07, 2014 01:51 PM            

So reading stuff like:

"MA/SA interruption of work, periodic work. Activities leading to separation or which are periodically interrupted. Periodic work. Interruption of work. Sickness. Acute sicknesses or matters. interruption. Action of separation. Forced separation. Death. Obsequies. Funeral."

and

"SA/NE Losses, or separation through deception or fraud. Habit. Things of long duration. Sickness. Treacherous diseases. Chronic ill health. Pestilence. Chronic conditions. Fraud. Theft. Losses. Pestilence or plague."

Does not quite fill me with joy. lol

Thing is my Mars/Saturn-mp and Saturn/Neptune-mp are both activated strongly by his chart, as my Mars/Saturn is on 26 Virgo and Saturn/Neptune on 28 Virgo

with his Sun, ASC and Saturn on 26 mutable (Sag, Pisces, Virgo)
and his Moon, MC and Vertex on 28 mutable (Sag and Virgo).

So he brings depression, loss, sickness, loneliness, deepest sadness, rejection and possibly violence into my life?

I really hope there might be a more positive manifestation as well.

actually yes, he DOES activate my Saturn/Neptune-mp and Saturn/NN, but in my natal chart Saturn is biquintile Neptune (1°01), and since his Vertex is on the exact midpoint (his Moon is squaring it) it means that his Vertex is quintile my Neptune and NN (0.46 and 0.33), but even if not, I was wondering if the fact that my Saturn/Neptune-mp actually is the result of a 5th harmonic pattern might get a "flair" of this. I just wonder if it wouldn`t manifest differently than, let`s ay, if it was made by a T-square (nothing against T-squares btw).

In this instance, I suppose the general meaning is still there, the awareness of possible rejection for exasmple.
However it was there before, that fear, not in relation to him, but generally, and of course i have been rejected in my life, and as a matter of fact it was through or after meeting him that I started to pull that memories, painful as they might have been out of the dark corner, bringing them out into the light, and realizing they were not really as big as their shadow made me believe.

In a way I started dealing with it and coping, which I had not done before. And in fact that creates a shift in perspective for me (the biquintile?).

The funny thing is he never even rejected me to begin with, I just projected that onto him, that I was sure he WOULD; (of course I never even gave him the opportunity to do so, very cowardly of me).

Bt in the process of gaining awareness of that, some sort of osmosis took place. Boundaries and walls and defences (Saturn) were being dissolved or softened (Neptune).
That - after all- might be the light side of that Saturn/Neptune.

As for Mars/Saturn- I have no clue, except that I tend to step onto the brake quite a lot, but on the positive I am also able to work very persistently, just generally speaking. Not sure what it means in relation to him.

posted October 07, 2014 02:02 PM            

however I do find the squares work well, too, for the general midpoint analysis.