posted October 11, 2014 03:24 PM            

New Moon: 315° - 45°
first quarter: 45°-135°
Full Moon: 135° - 225°
last quarter: 225°-315°

with the actual new Moon, full moon etc. being the midpoint of each phase.

posted October 11, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Maybe Lee.. ^ because, if one goes to a struggle in life while the other doesn't, it has a less survival rate.

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good one!

Yes, this one has 4th harmonic for both. But my previous 2 rel. ( 4th plus sextile, 4th plus trine)plus my parents (sq plus trine) and other couples have combined phases. It is already outstanding they both have an ongoing or upcoming Sun/Moon (thank you, Nine, for you research). The question remains: the one with the trine doesn't care about the other having a 4th or not right?? What's the glitch with the 4th?

I also checked several others for the other theme: the moon phase.

Rechecked my previous rel., they both had New Moon. I am Disseminating (lol sounds nice). There was no "buddy" type or compromise, not for a second, just pure love and lust in both cases

My parents: her waning gibbous, his last quarter. I can assure all of you there hasn't been anything buddy-like between them for 50 years. Always behaved like man/woman/lovebirds.

Interestingly enough, Liz Taylor and Richard Burton
her last quarter
him waning crescent - the same combo
Now the whole world knows there was only love and lust there too, all the time, it's not like they were playing scrabble with their diamonds

So what is exactly is an opposing phase: one being gibbous, the other crescent? and/or one being waxing/the other waning? I'm not talking about the exact waxing/waning phases, because I suppose many couples have mixed combos and they are not in the exact opposing phase or the exact phase (such as new moon both). Plus New Moon, Full Moon, First and Last Quarter Moons are somehow in the middle of waxing or waning, a few degrees on or off. So??

EDIT: sorry, I made a mistake, I am Balsamic. Can't you tell? he is Disseminating! (on my mind always huh lol)
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posted October 11, 2014 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If we are using 4 moon phases it probably would go like this:

New Moon: 315° - 45°
first quarter: 45°-135°
Full Moon: 135° - 225°
last quarter: 225°-315°

with the actual new Moon, full moon etc. being the midpoint of each phase.

If I look at it like that, it seems to fit most examples I know.

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In this case, the simplified view, all the couples I described have the same phase.

But what do you do for example with someone who is New Moon, and the other First Quarter? Or Last Quarter? (like Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson for example) You can't consider them neither in the same /nor opposite phase. Or one is Full Moon, the other last quarter or first quarter (like Iman and David Bowie, Meryl Streep/Don Gummer for example)?

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posted October 11, 2014 04:12 PM            

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good one!
Yes, this one has 4th harmonic for both. But my previous 2 rel. ( 4th plus sextile, 4th plus trine)plus my parents (sq plus trine) and other couples have combined phases. It is already outstanding they both have an ongoing or upcoming Sun/Moon (thank you, Nine, for you research). The question remains: the one with the trine doesn't care about the other having a 4th or not right?? What's the glitch with the 4th?

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posted October 11, 2014 04:21 PM            

My father had a trine and he experienced the same need as my mother, who had a square. Actually, he was the one doing the chasing lol

posted October 11, 2014 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
4th harmonic aspects are more dynamic though, leading into manifestation.
It is friction that makes the most energy, that you need to get somethng going.
It is entirely possible though that it is enough if one person has that "urgency-aspect", and either they do feel that need and do the chasing, or maybe in some cases they can also externalize it, project it outwards, and the fitting partner picks it up, and in these instances, maybe it is enough, if that partner has some reflection of Sun-Moon-energy, but not quite the same.

I would also check for the progressed composite Sun/MOon and the progressed and natal Sun/Moon-mps.

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posted October 11, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Not quite. New Moon & First Quarter are natural associates. Last Quarter & Full Moon are also natural associates. In love they switch up; New Moon with Full Moon, Last Quarter with First Quarter. New Moon with Last Quarter, First Quarter with Full Moon. Roughly opposing phases attract.

In cases where natural associates marry, they tend to become buddies (great for longevity), than a truly romantic union. Eg. the Queen & Prince Philip vs. Charles & Camilla.

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posted October 11, 2014 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
4th harmonic aspects are more dynamic though, leading into manifestation.
It is friction that makes the most energy, that you need to get something going.
It is entirely possible though that it is enough if one person has that "urgency-aspect", and either they do feel that need and do the chasing, or maybe in some cases they can also externalize it, project it outwards, and the fitting partner picks it up, and in these instances, maybe it is enough, if that partner has some reflection of Sun-Moon-energy, but not quite the same.

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This! ^^

The 4th harmonic causes friction which releases a lot of energy that can be channeled into any endeavor. If romance is missing from your life it can be aimed in this direction. If career advancement is missing you can channel the energy there.

This aspect shows up most times than not when a person embarks on a major life changing endeavor. This is why I look for it at the beginning of significant relationships.

posted October 11, 2014 11:06 PM            

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Where would I fit then?
my Sun is 26 Sag, and Moon 17 Aqua. So 51 degrees. I suppose closer to the first quarter?

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Yes. I would place you as a First Quarter "type". So, hypothetically, if I were looking for your ideal match I'd say ... Scorpio with moon in Virgo.

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Nine, I have two questions:

then how do you consider these two couples, what phases?

1. her waning crescent
2. him waning gibbous

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1. - Last Quarter type
2. - Full Moon type

This isn't an ideal match in my theory, but it appears there are exception to every rule.

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the second question: if two people can come together when one has a Sun/Moon 4th - the other another Sun/Moon aspect (sextile, trines) (my parents, and both my previous relationships), why two people both having trines/sextiles couldn't?

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I believe Ceri answered this one.

The trine & sextile aspects aren't dynamic enough to prod two people into taking action. In such a case both would probably expect the other to do something, and then nothing happens. Think of Sun-Moon 4th harmonic aspects in a natal progressed chart as the four seasons - the are symbols of change. They are mini cycles of sorts. The trine & sextile are easy aspects concerned with furthering a process that's already in motion - maintaining the status quo. The 4th harmonic aspects are concerned with changing things as they currently are.

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I have the same I swear haha. See there ^ LOST! With my Virgo Merc exact on my Virgo ASC .. ow and to not forget Saturn exactly square it. AND NN 6th.

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hmmn. I also have the Virgo Asc, with a Saturn conjunct, and SN in the 6th. Curious.

posted October 11, 2014 11:36 PM            

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I can defintely associate that ^ more of a buddy-thing with us in the progressed realm, being FQ & NM. But it's better than all that romantic stuff. Or sexual lusty stuff etc. Doomed to die - before time - in my/our experience.

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It appears some are more comfortable in a friendly romance than one made of sizzling chemistry. What's I've observed is that like moon phases get along amazingly well, and are very comfortable around each other.

posted October 12, 2014 12:18 AM            

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It appears some are more comfortable in a friendly romance than one made of sizzling chemistry. What's I've observed is that like moon phases get along amazingly well, and are very comfortable around each other.

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Aah yess so ^ d e f i n i t e l y Nine. In fact, I was already longing for it with my Ex, coincidentally with the exact same Moon phase as this one (about 70 deg ahead of the Sun - incl myself all FQ natals). But he wasn't ok with it finally, he literally said he saw me more as a buddy than a romantic partner (while I was like; huh??? what do u mean?? aren't we *great* AS we are now?? - what do u want moooooorre?) .. but then, I didn't also meet him during a DW 4th harmonic S/M progression, not even one natal endowed with it. So yea.. your theory def makes sense

^ to not even talk about the BIG difference in progressed other biggies

EDIT@ stupid me, it wasn't an approaching FIRST QUARTER in the progressions that I have .. but a LAST QUARTER - so then you get the progressed mix LQ/NM - of the romantic sort, hm.. wel, I guess I talked a bit from our natal 1st quarter equality then. Maybe the p-version is indeed more about timing .. while the natural friendly essence stems from our natal 1st Q's then.

posted October 12, 2014 05:29 AM            

theoretically you may be right, but Scorpios with Moon in Virgo are absolutely not my cup of tea.
Funny enough my Mom is one. lol

I seem to have a liking for New Moon types (and occasionally Full Moon types- but more rarely and those I found were present in my female friends mostly), but those where either Moon or Sun was in elemental harmony with my Sun and Moon, with a preference for fire Moons (Sagittarius, ARies mostly) or Libra Moon and/ or fire Suns (Sagittarius, Aries usually).

posted October 12, 2014 05:38 AM            

natally
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him: New Moon
Me: First quarter

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him: first quarter
me: Full Moon

BTW my Mum and Dad are natural associates as per your theory.

Mum: New Moon
Dad: first quarter Moon

And I definitely can see that. While their relationship certainly is not "buddy"like, beneath the magnetic attraction they surely have as well, is a firm foundation of friendship, partnership and shared views on life, and I thinkt hat is what helped them going the distance so far.

posted October 12, 2014 05:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
This! ^^

The 4th harmonic causes friction which releases a lot of energy that can be channeled into any endeavor. If romance is missing from your life it can be aimed in this direction. If career advancement is missing you can channel the energy there.

This aspect shows up most times than not when a person embarks on a major life changing endeavor. This is why I look for it at the beginning of significant relationships.

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Thanks for the explanations, Nine. So you don't see it as the activation of the Yin/Yang principle within oneself and the need for a partner, but as the result of a dynamic aspect pushing us towards change/accomplishment in general?

Regarding the moon phases, perhaps same phase couples behave like a conjunction in synastry, and opposite phase couples like a synastric oppositions, since there are apparently important not-so-famous and famous long term passions and sizzling romances with same phase as well: Liz Taylor/Burton, Melanie Griffith/Banderas, Newman/Joanne Woodward and if I remember correctly Linda/Paul? (the last two pairs suggest a mixture of buddy/romance to me) etc. In fact, now that I think about it, all these four couples give strong suggestions for a "conjunction" vibe between them: a lot of chemistry, similar physique/being each other's physical type, strong closeness, when together being with each other like a unit and not noticing anything around them lol (diad oriented - what in psychology we call a long term primary couple - a couple that, even after becoming an extended couple - having children, they still remain diad oriented - like two lovebirds, very focused on each other), doing things in sync and being a synch team (like saying the same thing at the same time etc) My parents fit this profile too.

I'm a bit confused about something: Mir, you're talking about these phases in progressed synastry. So Nine, your theory refers to the moon phase in the progressed chart, and not the natal?

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posted October 12, 2014 05:49 AM            

New Moon as including waning and waxing crescent
Full Moon as including waning and waxing gibbous
(because you considered waning gibbous as being Full Moon?)
So basically First Quarter is only between 90 and 135? And Last Quarter between 270 - 315?

posted October 12, 2014 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I also see that you basically consider:

New Moon as including waning and waxing crescent
Full Moon as including waning and waxing gibbous
(because you considered waning gibbous as being Full Moon?)
So basically First Quarter is only between 90 and 135? And Last Quarter between 270 - 315?

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I can`t speak for Nine, of course.

But to me it only makes sense to consider the actual New Moon-point etc. as the midpoint/ peak of a phase, one part applying and the other fading out fromt hat, leading into the next phase. And the "switch over" actually happens at the 8th harmonic aspect-points.
That is also in agreement with the ancient solar festival, which were taking place at these points. (in relation to the annual cycle of course, starting with 00 Aries, or actually rather starting with 00 N in the declinations.)

the 4 cardinal points plus the switches (semisquare and sesisquare).

on the 4 cardinal points we have Spring Equinox, Midsummer, autumn equinox and Yule/ winter solstice.

At the 8th harmonic points (135°, 45°) we celebrate Beltane, Lammas, Samhain (Halloween) and Imbolc/ Candlemas.

posted October 12, 2014 06:05 AM            

"The 00 Aries relate to the Spring equinox (and since 00 Aries is the exact reference point of the zodiac through the seasons, it is related to the aspect of conjunction, and therefore the New Moon).
00 Libra relate to the Autumn equinox (aspect of opposition, and full Moon, always in reference to 00 Aries)

00 Cancer relates to the Summer solstice (a waxing square or quarter Moon is symbolic of this)

00 Capricorn relates to the winter solstice (a waning square or third quarter Moon)

These are the four main markposts within the year; they are also so important, because on the soltices and equinoxes, the Sun changes direction in the declinations, thus these four points represent turning points throughout the year.

There are four other solar festivals, and they mark the midpoint between these four main festivals.
These relate to the aspects of semisquare and sesisquare, or crescent and gibbuous Moon.

As I said these aspects, which we usually consider dynamic aspects, coincide with the BEGINNING of each phase of the Moon, indicating an influx of incoming energy, but in the case of the semisquare and sesisquare they are not turning points.

However all the dynamic aspects are guaranteed to call for attention, to make people look up, indicate a peak in energy (or stations on the way to the final peak)."

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"The harmonious aspects, sextile and trine, and also the slightly uncomfortable semisextile and quincunx, do not relate to any of these turning points during the year. There are also no festivals held at the moment of these aspects perfecting (always the relation of the way of the Sun in reference to the Aries point).

However they are located in between the way from one phase to another. I believe that they represent the smooth phases in between, those phases where you can take a deep breath, relax and just enjoy the smooth flow. However they are so fluid, that they will not call to attention; they will just be there, and comfortable and flowing. They will promote harmony, but they will not make anything happen. (unless they are part of a pattern of at least three planets closing a circuit with each other – and I am talking tight orbs here)."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/219137.html

posted October 12, 2014 06:18 AM            

So me, as a waning crescent, I can be either a Last Quarter, or a New Moon, depending on the degree. Am I getting closer here?

posted October 12, 2014 09:33 AM            

My mother is a Last Quarter ( app 54 degrees after FM - 242 in your category) and my father is a Last Quarter (105 degrees before NM - 255 in your category)

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posted October 12, 2014 09:40 AM            

For example, my Moon is 15 Leo - Sun 20 Virgo, but the Moon was New (exact) when the Sun was at 22 Virgo (3 days later). Doesn't this count?

So instead of having Moon/Sun angle 35 - 325 in your category, shouldn't it be 37 - 323 in your category, for calculating the phase? (adding the two degrees to the actual New Moon that month)

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posted October 12, 2014 10:17 AM            

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Thanks for the explanations, Nine. So you don't see it as the activation of the Yin/Yang principle within oneself and the need for a partner, but as the result of a dynamic aspect pushing us towards change/accomplishment in general?

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Exactly!!

A timer essentially. For Yin/Yang use the Westran aspects, or the other traditional linkages.

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Aah yess so ^ d e f i n i t e l y Nine. In fact, I was already longing for it with my Ex, coincidentally with the exact same Moon phase as this one (about 70 deg ahead of the Sun - incl myself all FQ natals). But he wasn't ok with it finally, he literally said he saw me more as a buddy than a romantic partner (while I was like; huh??? what do u mean?? aren't we *great* AS we are now?? - what do u want moooooorre?) .. but then, I didn't also meet him during a DW 4th harmonic S/M progression, not even one natal endowed with it. So yea.. your theory def makes sense

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Awww, thx. Yea, I think if we know what to look for it gives a better read of where a person's mind is. I think Prince William provides a great example. He had been dating his GF for years, however the instant he had a pNM w/ pVenus con nSun he decides to marry.

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theoretically you may be right, but Scorpios with Moon in Virgo are absolutely not my cup of tea.
Funny enough my Mom is one. lol

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I seem to have a liking for New Moon types (and occasionally Full Moon types- but more rarely and those I found were present in my female friends mostly), but those where either Moon or Sun was in elemental harmony with my Sun and Moon, with a preference for fire Moons (Sagittarius, ARies mostly) or Libra Moon and/ or fire Suns (Sagittarius, Aries usually).

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...and Mr. Capricorn-Libra??

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him: New Moon
Me: First quarter

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him: first quarter
me: Full Moon

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If you two are dating something BIG is around the corner.

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I'm a bit confused about something: Mir, you're talking about these phases in progressed synastry. So Nine, your theory refers to the moon phase in the progressed chart, and not the natal?

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