posted October 22, 2014 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Yess.. HAROLD PINTER.

Trines and failure with Vivien Merchant; squares and success with Antonia Fraser.

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Let's take a deep look at these 2 couples ^^.

Harold Pinter:
- 10 october 1930
LONDON UK / 2:00 PM

Antonia Fraser:
- 27 august 1932
LONDON UK / 2:45 AM

Vivien Merchant:
- 22 july 1929
Manchester UK / (no TOB)

A Literary Romance, Rich in A-List Names

The three words that make up the title of Antonia Fraser’s fond and affecting new memoir were spoken to her by Harold Pinter, the playwright, at a party in London in the winter of 1975.

Ms. Fraser walked up to Pinter, before leaving, to say that she liked his play, “The Birthday Party.” The two barely knew each other. He looked back at her with what she calls “amazing, extremely bright black eyes” and said, “Must you go?”

She was 42. He was 44. Each was smitten. Each was also married and had been for nearly two decades — Ms. Fraser to Sir Hugh Fraser, a Conservative member of Parliament (they had six children), and Pinter to the actress Vivien Merchant (they had one child). Both were well along in their careers, Ms. Fraser as a best-selling historian (“Mary Queen of Scots”) and Pinter as, well, Pinter, theater’s master of the anxious pause.

Before long they were a couple, and vinegary fodder for London’s tabloids, which ate up the story of, as Ms. Fraser puts it, “the working class Jewish boy from the East End and the Catholic aristocrat with her title.” In truth, Ms. Fraser says, by the mid-1970s they were successful and more alike than not. “Harold and I belonged to the same class: I will call it the Bohemian class.”

He called her his destiny and wrote her love poems, some of them later collected in a volume called “Six Poems for A” (2007). She loved his bristling mind, his “awesome baritone” and the way his “black curly hair and pointed ears” made him look “like a satyr.” They remained happily together (marrying in 1980) for 33 years, through his Nobel Prize in 2005 and until his death from cancer, at 78, in December 2008.

posted October 22, 2014 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Margy, the only outstanding thing for me here is an exact Venus/Mars sextile, but that's going to separate sooner than later I suppose.

But I suspect something more to see in the progressed to natals, can you show those wheels here also?

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Sorry mir, do you mean progressed synastry and regular natals, or progressed natals?

posted October 22, 2014 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Let's take a deep look at these 2 couples ^^.

Harold Pinter:
- 10 october 1930
LONDON UK / 2:00 PM

Antonia Fraser:
- 27 august 1932
LONDON UK / 2:45 AM

Vivien Merchant:
- 22 july 1929
Manchester UK / (no TOB)

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LOL..

I was looking looking looking....

and I couldn't find ANYTHING

well, not that ***EUREKA**** thing u know..

And I suddenly saw it!!!

A Sun/Moon BEAR HUG!

Their Sun/Moon midpoints conjunct by 1 degree! 3-4 LEO.

Crazy haha.

That's how simple it is, finally.

(talking about Harold and Antonia yesss)

EDIT@ well, if we go with Cochrane; a Bear Hug is only very powerful if the DW of the Bear Hug is a valid aspect. The Sun/Moon DW is a 102 deg and a 104 deg aspect... but really, in this case I don't buy it that it's NOT very powerful... the SUN and the Moon N.B.! What do u say? ps; ofcourseeeee it's a BI-septile! (= 102'52 deg)

She has a Sun/Moon sextile by 1 deg.
He has a Sun/Moon quincunx by 2,5 deg.
(both waning).

Their DW Sun/Venus square becomes a Compo Sun/Venus conj by 1,5 deg.

With Vivien Marchent we find a Compo Sun/Venus conj by 0'50, because of their DW TRINE!

posted October 23, 2014 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You did??? Sorry... I had a rough week.

yes p Moon to p Sun
What and when are the next cycles?

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It's ok. I will have a square a few months before my Saturn return and the conjunction is too science-fiction to care.

posted October 23, 2014 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Sorry mir, do you mean progressed synastry and regular natals, or progressed natals?

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posted October 23, 2014 01:12 PM            

It seems he had other affairs as well and that the whole "fairytale" romance between Pinter/Fraser ended very badly for the wife.

Anyway, looking at their synastry, I can see that the synastry/composite between him and Fraser are much more compelling and binding. The synastry with the wife poses some problems, it is shaky.

posted October 23, 2014 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Yess..

Trines and failure with Vivien Merchant; squares and success with Antonia Fraser.

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posted October 23, 2014 01:37 PM            

Pinter- real Moon 11.44 Cap

Antonia Fraser - real Moon 4.51 Aqua

Vivien Merchant - real Moon 14.27 Libra

posted October 23, 2014 01:48 PM            

...and shocking surprise in this synastry, right??

p to p

p to n

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posted October 23, 2014 02:04 PM            

p to p

p to n

posted October 23, 2014 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Lee, the spark caught on in the winter of '75!

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posted October 23, 2014 02:12 PM            

and AF's p to VM's n

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posted October 23, 2014 03:39 PM            

With Merchant (the one he left) progression wise…

If we take her TOB at 12 NOON…

A separating RETRO-pVenus/nSun trine by 0’05! So it might have been EXACT (depending on her TOB)!

An appl. pMars/nVenus trine by 1,5! EDIT@ I meant SEXTILE.
An appl. pVenus/pMars conjunction by 6!

(obviously he doesn’t like trines)

And, at that specific month when the spark caught on with Fraser his RETRO pVenus was almost exactly conjunct his nVenus (2 minutes applying). And so, making their (with Merchant) natal Sun/Venus trine even more nicely pronounced than ever.

BUT.. they split up ^! HE found another love at THAT ^ time … isn’t that weird?

Yesterday, when I looked at the progressions with his new love FRASER at-that-time .. I couldn’t find a thing! So, that’s why I went back to the natals and saw an *AMAZING* and rare alignment between their Suns and Moons (the BEAR HUG). That MIGHT make up for the lack of progressed biggies…. It might even win it from the progressed biggies he shared with Merchant. Let’s not forget.. nothing more important than the SUN and the Moon! !

There’s another thing; this is the SECOND time I notice a couple’s break-up during an exact Sun/Venus trine where the progressed Venus has a RETRO-move. Very striking as I haven’t seen it before, during a Venus-direct move.

Will look again at the progressions with Fraser…

posted October 23, 2014 04:12 PM            

yes, definitely

posted October 23, 2014 04:16 PM            

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An appl. pMars/nVenus trine by 1,5!

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posted October 23, 2014 06:43 PM            

His pSun/pMoon midpoint made a 103 deg aspect to his p-Ascendant.

Her pSun/pMoon midpoint made 103 deg aspect to her p-Ascendant.

(just a matter of 5 minutes difference ^ 102'52 = Bi-septile )

And this with the fact that they have in their natal-synastry a Sun/Moon Bi-septile DW (their BEAR HUG)!

I discovered that ^ because I saw their progressed Composite Sun/Moon midpoint EXACTLY (to 1-2 minutes) conjunct the progressed Composite Descendant. So, a matter of looking at the underlying natal geometry.

posted October 24, 2014 10:43 AM            

(BTW, still waiting for some tips on how to seduce-with-no-escape a Scorpio Moon on your exact degree hehehe)

I think this is a REALLY good lead: to consider as the most important progressed aspects those that trigger the synastry, rather than the general markers. They count too, but I suspect without at least one replicating the synastry...

In fact, I intend to look at some examples, and see what were the synastry aspects triggered.

Everyone, what were the progressed aspects mirroring your natal synastry or anything else you have in common (such as mirror/yinyang pairs in your natals) triggered at the beginning of a relationship?

This is in fact a connection to Ceri's thread, Cycles in progressions, and I assume when progressions reflect a synastric aspect they actually trigger the cycle suggested in the permanent synastry.

posted October 24, 2014 01:09 PM            

Focussing now only on Sun/Venus.

Antonia Fraser NATAL;

- Sun/Venus semi-square (orb 0’18)

During that meeting (jan. ’75);
Her PROGRESSED Venus in an applying semi-quare to HIS natal Sun, by 0’09.

(so ^ a very similar energy as she basically has herself, AND her pSun is applying conj to his nSun tightly, so she has a pSun/pVenus separating semi-square herself, by 1,5)

(Don’t forget their natal DW Sun/Venus square + his natal Sun/Venus semi-square by 2,5 + their Suns in a semi-square by 2 + their P-Suns walk forever in a semi-square by 0’50)

His pSun applying SESQUISQUARE to her nVenus by 2,5 and appl. Square to her nSun by 2,5..

Well, I will not go any further but as we see.. it’s all completely aligned by the 8th harmonic.

I guess we have to make a shift in our progressed thinking

posted October 24, 2014 01:53 PM            

Can't hide in your 12th house, 'cause Pluto Man's a Pisces ...so that's even better! Get your Scorpio Moon 12th Sun together and tip me! I'll be waiting!

posted October 24, 2014 02:51 PM            

But FIRST this (my new discovery!) ;

WT….

I looked at that very special first moment when it was DANG BOEM KLATSSS..

LOL..

I never looked at that u know.. (our pVenus/pMars conj at 1 deg appl. was all I ever saw LOL)

Look at THIS!;

My progressed Moon was SOLSTICE conjunct my natal Sun, by 0’02!!

His progressed Moon was SOLSTICE conjunct his natal Sun, by 0’16!!

Isn’t that ^^^ HUHHHH??? Yea.. it was a MIRROR .. a reflection of everything! He even said to me that first night; “I know you will never leave me”! (after which I needed to think for a moment as I didn’t want to give a false answer, and so honestly replied “yea you’re right, I will never leave u” (turned out it was the best he ever said to me haha)

Crazy really.

And with that… ^

his pMoon in an applying BI-quintile to my nSun `by 2

my pMoon in an applying Bi-quintile to his nSun by 2

(difference in both Bi-quintile degrees ^ 0’17 min - which makes ofcourse the pMoons ALSO in a BI-quintile by 0'17 at-that-time - so that was ONE BIG BI-quintile pattern back then!)