posted October 13, 2014 04:14 PM            

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- yes, my Sun will apply to exact aspect to his Venus in a year and a half.

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WOW selene~!! You're blessed with that one ^!

And your pVenus...? Also almost exact? OR exact? (to his nVenus)

posted October 13, 2014 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
WOW selene~!! You're blessed with that one ^!

And your pVenus...? Also almost exact? OR exact? (to his nVenus)

(if anyone can count 2 years back for the Sun/Moon 4rd harmonic )

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posted October 13, 2014 05:40 PM            

Him some degrees past the Last Quarter.
Selene some degrees past the Full Moon.

And that's when it all started...

Great!

posted October 13, 2014 08:40 PM            

Progressed to progressed synastry - I'm blue

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My progressed to his natal (I'm blue)
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posted October 13, 2014 11:40 PM            

Intuitive, I don't see anyting coming from this (on the long run), I'm afraid. All separating venus influences.. (+ a pretty tight appl. Venus/Mars square)

But yes, I can definitely see the strong current attraction with his pSun on your p-Asc and your pMoon on your p-Desc.
+ that same p-Axis of yours conjunct his nMoon (separating now)
+ his pMoon on your n-Asc/Desc axis! (bit separating now)

very striking! ^

posted October 13, 2014 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
To make an exception to the asteroid wheel rule...

Intuitive, I don't see anyting coming from this (on the long run), I'm afraid. All separating venus influences.. (+ a pretty tight appl. Venus/Mars square)

But yes, I can definitely see the strong current attraction with his pSun on your p-Asc and your pMoon on your p-Desc.
+ that same p-Axis of yours conjunct his nMoon (separating now)
+ his pMoon on your n-Asc/Desc axis! (bit separating now)

very striking! ^

Could it be that it all started under a pVenus/nVenus trine (your pVenus) some years ago? Or is the entire Sun/Asc/Moon/Angle bunch here the main driver?

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posted October 14, 2014 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
***My current prog venus is retro at 27 leo. His natal venus is 22 sag. I don't know if that matters?***

Ow wait a second.. yes that matters! I had not seen the Retro move. WELL, the question here now is, since the Retro move is verrry slow usually.. WHEN does that come into the 2 deg applying orb to-his-nVenus? Or: DOES it come into orb? And: does it pass his nVenus? I suspect it does but to be sure you have to check it first.. and IF that comes into orb.. that's pretty promising, as it would be a long strong progression because of its slow move then!

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posted October 14, 2014 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Haha ok.. yea that's a long time to go.. BUT in some cases it's felt earlier and IF it's felt.. well, then the slow move is a big gain ofcourse!

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posted October 14, 2014 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Haha ok.. yea that's a long time to go.. BUT in some cases it's felt earlier and IF it's felt.. well, then the slow move is a big gain ofcourse!

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posted October 14, 2014 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Progressed me inside
Natal children outside (They are eight years old)
Whose is the Scorpio in my house? I am curios if can handle my children in 7 years?

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This looks very nice... your p Sun conjunct their natal Suns....so they are twins?? That's so cute! Bless them!

I see a close connection between you two, and getting even closer with your Venus transiting their ASC stellium And Jupiter rules their IC so this is very nice. Your venus will guide them in expressing their ASC. It's also interesting to post their progressions/your natal.

posted October 14, 2014 07:00 AM            

Also, last year when we met, his Venus was separating from my Jupiter - but 3 deg (conjunction)

We have a perpetual Juno/Jupiter, Juno/Juno conjunction in progressions BTW (moving back and forth).

posted October 14, 2014 07:08 AM            

I will post my charts without asteroids, Mir, for you to take a look.

So everyone, maybe you should post charts without asteroids first and then one with asteroids for me, for I would like to take a look at those as well.

posted October 14, 2014 07:19 AM            

only 1 degree orb

july 14 - july 16
pMC square nMoon

november 14
PMoon in Leo

november 14-january 15
pMoon square n Uranus (peak: my birthday)

december 14- february 15
pMoon square pUranus

february 15 - october 17
pMars square nMC

april - may 2015
pMoon opposite pSun
pMoon trine nASC
pSun trine nDESC

july-august 2015
pMoon sesisquare nSun

september 2015
pVenus ingress 3rd house

december 2015- juanuary 2016
pMoon oppospite n Moon

december 2015 - february 2016
pMoon square pMC

january 2016 - august 2017
pVenus conjunct nBML

april 2016 - january 2018
pSaturn conjunct pDESC

june - august 2016
pMoon trine nMercury
pMoon opposite pMercury

june 2016 - march 2019
pMars conjunct nVenus

september - october 2016
pMoon opposite p Venus
pMoon opposite nBML
pASC in 2nd house

november 2016
pMoon ingress Virgo

february - april 207
pMoon square nMars
pMoon trine pMars
pMoon trine nVenus (march-april)

april- may 2017
p Moon square nASC

july - august 2017
pMoon opposite nJupiter

november 17 - january 18
pMoon opposite nJuno

december 17
p Venus ingress PIsces (2 days before my birthday)

january - march 2018
pMoon oppospite pJupiter

february 2018
pMercury retrograde

april 18 - november 19
pVenus trine nUranus

may 18 -
pNN conjunct nASC

june - july 18
pMoon square nMercury

june - august 18
pMoon sesisquare pSun

july - august 18
pMoon square nSun

november 18
Moon ingress Libra

february-april 19
pMoon conjunct nMC

feburary 19-september 20
pVenus trine pUranus

march-may19
pMoon square nVenus

apri-may19
pMoon square pVenus

april 19 - january 21
pDESC conjunct nSaturn
pDESC trine nJuno

may-july19
pMoon conjunct p/n Pluto

september-october19
pMoon square pSaturn

november 19
pMC in 12th house

december 19-january 20
pMoon square pASC

december 19-february 20
pMoon square nSaturn
pMoon trine nMoon

april-june 20
pMoon square nVertex and n Sun/Moon-mp

july20-march23
pMars square n/p Pluto

december 20
pMoon ingress Scorpio

december20-march21
pMoon conjunct n/p Uranus

january 21
pMoon in 11th house

april 21 - november 22
pVenus square nMars

septembre - october 21
pMoon semisquare nSun

october 21 - december 22
pMercury square pMC

november 21 - january 22
pMoon trine pSaturn
pMoon square pSun

december 21- october 23
Nodes direct

posted October 14, 2014 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:

My prog sun conjuncted my natal venus by 1 orb when I met him.
The year before- it was an exact conjunction and I was separating from my husband. It was the worst time of my life. Maybe I defy chart odds lol

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No, I don't think you defy chart odds. I think hard aspects are the actual turning points, with a difference in meaning for the nature of the aspects.
I know not everyone here agrees with this, but I see it like this:

Conjunctions are subjected to the New Moon principle - a p Venus/Sun heralds a time when you need or experience something new in your love life (and anything else related to Venus), It is the end of a cycle, when something ends for something else to being.
It's a bit like Uranus *since you love Uranus transiting the 7th house - for people in a couple it may bring divorce (not necessarily though), for singles it will bring meeting anew partner. It is also very possible that the immediate separated phase be the actual moment for action, AFTER the decision was made.
Squares and oppositions will have a different vibe: an opposition is subjected to the Full Moon principle - a time of harvest, a peak, a culmination. They may be more connective because they suggest people getting together when their relationship/their natals are "ripe" or most likely, it would be associated with experiencing a peak period if already in a relationship.
The squares are inner or outer events requesting immediate action, an urgency for change or getting certain things going. IMO, they are equally connective and separative.

It is interesting that Westran included the Venus/Sun trine as bringing people together; personally, I think the hard aspects are the ones present at the turning point, they are the "switch". I'm not sure a Venus/Sun trine heralds the moment of the actual connection; a progressed trine is a blessing because it shows there;s long term compatibility/growing together; maybe a progressed trine associated with the connection/separation shows things have been building up fro some time in a certain direction: for example people have experienced being friends/feeling good with each other for a while before deciding to form a couple, so the trine is fueling the future connection. But I'm not sure the actual moment is caused by it and I think the actual moment must have some hard aspects as definitory, both in the progressed natals and the progressed synastry.

Of course, I believe those things right now mostly intuitively and it's just an opinion for now, rather than based on personal research.

I will take a closer look at your charts, IJ, for more insight

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posted October 14, 2014 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
the angular conjunctions might help as well. Moon might pass it rather quickly. But Sun-ASC will take a while.

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posted October 14, 2014 07:29 AM            

I agree with you. Word.For.Word.

posted October 14, 2014 07:49 AM            

What about synastry now?
Well WEstran himself wrote somewhere that the Sun-Venus-trine or even conjunction does not spell LOVE per se, but being able to AGREE and COOPERATE, which is necessary for a smooth relationship, but also for sealing a business deal (so yes, indeed it could come up in times of divorce settlement as well).

however most of the times people with a Sun-Venus trine, progressed or natal, realy do like each other.
There is a real affinity. However again, that is not the same as passion either.
There is admiration there and maybe the mix of cooperation, admiration, friendship can pass for love, though it depends how people define that feeling for themselves.

The statistic sais that this aspect was very frequently there when people were getting together, hence making the decision of wanting to cooperate and negotiate a relationship, building a partnership.

However personally I think for the spark to ignite, the romantic/ erotic chemistry and spark, we need a bit of a stronger ignition, possibly with mars or else a 4th harmonic aspect.
However in terms of the Sun-Venus-square, people seem to frequently stand on each other`s toes, and the cooperation flows out of the window, not because of a lack of attraction (that can be described elsewhere), but they just can`t cooperate or their timing is off for example. Nevertheless what the reason, external or internal, it often keeps them apart, unless they make a conscious EFFORT (square, hu?).

Anyway, just want to emphasize WEstran never claimed to be able to explain astrologically why people FALL IN LOVE, what he was researching was the CHOICE in terms of a RELATIONSHIP. The beginning and also the end.
It`s about timing rather than quality.

Probably it also sais something about the quality, but that has not been measured, nor could it have been measured most probably (such an individual experience), and it wasn`t his intention to do so, as he writes in the preface of his book.

So, yes, the Sun-Venus one is extremely important, I would never deny that. But I suspect it is the 2nd phase already, but since in this phase people actually say: Yes, I want to be with you and have a relationship with you, it is the visible phase, the visible beginning.
However the spark probably ignited before that, just it might not be as easily be seen externally.

That is where I think Nine`s theory of the Sun-Moon-cycle comes into play. The very basic stage is the readiness of people to even get into a relationship.
And then when the other person is present I suspect there has to be a 4th harmonic link to the natal relationship cycles they are in, as well. And if that happens, we might see the Sun-Venus-thing happening as well.

Waht if the Sun-Venus-trine comes without these preparations?
Well I have had Sun-Venus without the other preparation-stages, and I never got into a relationship with these guys. And sometimes we even had a Venus-Mars-trine.

I do think however if we see the Sun-Venus-trine AND people start a relationship, we will most probably find a natal relationship-cycle and a strong dynamic synatric aspect as well (in the progressions).

Of course I have not researched that yet, so it is pure speculation at this poitn.

On another note, if I see like in my progressed chart my pVenus applying to exact conjunction with my nBML and at the SAME TIME pMoon opposing this conjunction from 28 Leo, it certainly wants to tell me something, even if noone ever has researched that.

Possibly we can just speculate WHAT it tells me, but for my individual chart and timeframe it might prove important.
It is also the last big Venus-progression that is building BEFORE Venus is leaving the sign and entering Pisces in my chart, which I find interesting.
The last rebelling of Aquarius right there?
Interestingly enough the first aspect pVenus is going to make is a trine to Uranus. Hmm.