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Topic: Progressed synastry readings
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Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2998 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 14, 2014 04:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: hopefully to the benefit of both.
Yeah, haha, I don't do benefits anymore lol. Benefits come with the whole package, otherwise I'm not opening the store. lmao I am actually ok with the way things are now. I am back to being focused on myself, my work, my studies. And it's good. I am centered and in control again. For once, Mercury Rx was good to me. (guess what I'm having on my exam day(s)? T-Jup trine n-Mercury! *does happy dance*) Also I suppose that c-Uranus on Asc prefers camaraderie anyways. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
IntuitiveJ Knowflake Posts: 873 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted October 14, 2014 05:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selene: I have one interesting example of a huge fight (not literal, lol), which ended the relationship of two people. Her progressed Mars was exactly on his natal Sun applying! :O
Yikes! In my charts his prog mars is sitting on my natal sun!! 1 orb! Lol I guess that's bad?! IP: Logged |
margym0o Knowflake Posts: 537 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 11:11 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if I've done this properly so bear with me...To create a progressed synastry chart, I use the new dates that are generated from each progressive natal chart...but do I use the new TOB's as well? Or do I still use the original TOB's? Also, do the Moons HAVE to be adjusted back? Or are the new Moons accurate? Example: my Scorpio Moon is now a Sagittarius Moon. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 11:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by margym0o: I'm still trying to figure out if I've done this properly so bear with me...To create a progressed synastry chart, I use the new dates that are generated from each progressive natal chart...but do I use the new TOB's as well? Or do I still use the original TOB's? Also, do the Moons HAVE to be adjusted back? Or are the new Moons accurate? Example: my Scorpio Moon is now a Sagittarius Moon.
You use your natal TOB, not the modified one. You note down the Moon in your progressed chart and add it in the chart generated as a natal. The original Moon is the good one. You can't adjust in the program, you can only draw it manually on the chart.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 11:15 AM
DM, have you checked the correct positions of your Moons? Maybe your Moon is not separating yet. Not that it matters, it may bring a more relaxed attitude, the urgency was a few months back, but the square is still valid - and Ceri said, those squares are good.------------------
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margym0o Knowflake Posts: 537 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: You use your natal TOB, not the modified one. You note down the Moon in your progressed chart and add it in the chart generated as a natal. The original Moon is the good one. You can't adjust in the program, you can only draw it manually on the chart.
So if my natal moon is 23.31 Scorpio then I pencil this in manually on the new progressed synastry chart and erase the new Sagittarius moon? Edit to add: My partner's natal Taurus Moon becomes a Leo Moon in the progressed chart, is that possible to make such a huge jump?
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Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2998 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 11:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: DM, have you checked the correct positions of your Moons? Maybe your Moon is not separating yet. Not that it matters, it may bring a more relaxed attitude, the urgency was a few months back, but the square is still valid - and Ceri said, those squares are good.
Yup, I am sure. Mine is 4 degrees separating. So it's kinda out the window, but that's fine because I have other markers screaming for a relationship, so it's good that his is valid. I can attest to the theory though. I was having the square in application when I got engaged last year (~4-5 deg orb), Moon was also sextile Jupiter and Uranus (so I got engaged after 4 days, to a foreigner, during a trip abroad.. yes, astrology does work) and also when I was fighting for my relationship, alas I was fighting alone. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 21988 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 15, 2014 12:27 PM
Interestingly in terms of the progressed Moon-phase the orbs seem to be more generous. Or at least I have seen it often, with large orbs like around 6-7 degrees, either applying or separating happening.Including my parents (my Dad was having 7 degrees applying New Moon, meeting my Mom), and my brother had a 7 degree separating Full Moon, when he got together with his gf, while she was having 11 degrees to go before her first quarter Moon would peak. my friend, getting together with her husband, had an applying opposition of pMoon to nSun at about 9 degrees. For him it was closer though. 1 degree separating conjunction of pMoon and nSun (on her DESC. lol). I am ALWAYS a stickler for tight orbs, especially with progressions. However in terms of the Sun-Moon-phase there seem to be more exceptions to that that make me think I am missing a vital point. Why do these large orbs work? Well in all those cases it was the progressed MOON making the connection (never progressed Sun to natal Moon), and except in the last case always in the progressed chart itself. Now in terms of progressions we usually use one degree orb, to get the background-progressions, as this one degree orb relates to ONE Year. One year applying, one year separating (the progressed Sun is reliable in that, progressed Mars of course takes longer for the one degree orb, pr Venus a little less; but still close enough to the one year frame of reference). However the progressed Moon on the other hand is really fast. one month , one degree. approximately Which means that a 6 degree orb with the progressed Moon ONLY covers a span of half a year. 6 months. I think for getting a feeling of a whole PHASE it is good enough. Of course if we use the progressed Moon as actual trigger, to pinpoint the exact moment, or month at least, THEN we will have to stick to the 1 degree orb as well (and use the tertiary progression for finetuning). The other reason I was thinking of is that very often, well always int hese cases, one of the partners were having the applying phase, the other the separating one. And I was thinking that maybe the balance point between them, was important. This balance point, when the applying and separating degree of both partners are approximately the same one.
If that happens, we will find an exact or close to exact 8th harmonic aspect in the progressed composite. Of course that is valid only for pure progressed phases (p-p). In the case of my brother and his girlfriend when they got together, their composite had an applying sesisquare of Sun-Moon with 2 degree orb (would get exact 2 months later). They were having the sesisquare, cause he was having the opposition and she the square, so the composite result would be the sesisquare. It actually makes sense to me, as sometimes people do not get ready simultaneously, but one feels the urgency before, and the other responds to it, if he is in a pre-phase at least.
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If that happens, we will find an exact or close to exact 8th harmonic aspect in the progressed composite.
Brilliant! So it may be the synchronization causing a 4th/8th harmonic aspect in the composite that brings them together. And maybe that aspect also has some additional importance in the general dynamics of the progressed composite. ------------------
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 21988 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 15, 2014 12:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Brilliant! So it may be the synchronization causing a 4th/8th harmonic aspect in the composite that brings them together. And maybe that aspect also has some additional importance in the general dynamics of the progressed composite.
Yes, that synchronization seems to be important, at least as long as it is the result of both people close to a Sun/moon-relationship cycle individually. I am not sure what you mean with the last sentence though. Could you elaborate on that
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Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2998 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 12:43 PM
So if the Moon-Sun square becomes exact in the composite.. say mid-November, after my exam.. can we say this might be a good time for us to be together?..------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 21988 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 15, 2014 12:59 PM
Yes. It is at least a window of opportunity. Of course you two have to decide to TAKE the chance. I just checked, Mr Sag and me had the square in progressed composite in may 2012. Which was when I had decided to never see him again. Which was when his relationship was falling apart. Which was the EXACT month he published a song he had written himself, wondering about a woman, wondering why she had not talked to him, why she had disappeared without a trace, how he couldn`t read her smile when they first met, how he never understood that she would never be his friend, how she then disappeared with him unable to do anything about it.
Well, not saying it is a song about us, but it was damned closely describing the way I acted. lol However, to be able to take a chance, you have to first of all be PRESENT and secondly be able to SEE it. At that time I was nowhere near a Sun-Moon-phase i my progressions. Unless we count the sesisquare. Well I had been coming out of a trine-phase, which is nice, but passive. His New Moon had been 2 years ago (the first of my disappearing phases. lol) So you could say when the composite aspect was exact I came out of a minor phase (the sesisquare being exact 5 months before), he was totally not in a lunar phase though.
So the tming simply did not fit in 2012.
EDIT It would have fitted in 2008, december, just a few months after we first met. I was coming out of a first quarter he was moving into a New Moon. Compospite had a semisquare with pMoon EXACT on pASC. Well as I said, you have to be present and take a chance if and when it presents itself. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2998 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 01:19 PM
I see and of course that makes sense. I kinda made my decision, the one who is holding back is him (though I kinda seem to change my mind frequently.. let's hope not this time). I asked in PR if we'll be together until the end of the year and got 2 of Cups. I will believe it when I see it. Composite Saturn is square Asc. It will take time.. -_- ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2998 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 01:37 PM
I've been meaning to ask you guys two things. 1. Do you use progressed rulers? Say, prog DC ruler.
2. Do you use Solar Arcs in a similar fashion to progressed synastry? Do you think is relevant or not?
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margym0o Knowflake Posts: 537 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 02:16 PM
Ok I THINK I did this right...I "X"'d out the progressed Moons and manually wrote in where our original natal Moons are. Me - Scorpio Moon 23.31 (inside) Him - Taurus Moon 19.06 The placement of the Moons is approximate since I really have no idea how to gauge exactly where those degrees fall. Any insights? Thanks IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2082 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 15, 2014 03:57 PM
Ow no no.. there's a misunderstanding here ^.Margy, the wheel is your progressed synastry together? No need to add the natal moon, that wasn't what Lee meant. Just let the progressed Moon where it is and tell us the exact degree of it. The progressed Moon differs a bit (some degrees at most) from the Original progressed Moon. But many are already at the right place, so nothing to do then. IP: Logged |
margym0o Knowflake Posts: 537 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 15, 2014 04:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by mir: Ow no no.. there's a misunderstanding here ^.Margy, the wheel is your progressed synastry together? No need to add the natal moon, that wasn't what Lee meant. Just let the progressed Moon where it is and tell us the exact degree of it. The progressed Moon differs a bit (some degrees at most) from the Original progressed Moon. But many are already at the right place, so nothing to do then.
Oops my fault! Here is the correct chart with the progressed moon degrees written in: Me - Sagittarius Moon 17.35 (inside) Him - Leo Moon 11.48 Thank you
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Selene Knowflake Posts: 1327 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted October 15, 2014 05:17 PM
Oh, so in my progressed composite with Mr.Uranus right now Moon is in a 7 degree square applying to composite Sun. So in a few months there could be this window of opportunity? Which coincidentally comes at the time when my progressed Sun will come into under one degree orb trine to his natal Venus. LOL. The square will be applying exact on 20th January of 2015, when it will simultaneously oppose Pluto exactly and applying, making a Tsquare of Sun-Moon-Pluto. Something should definitely happen around that date, for better or worse. IP: Logged |
margym0o Knowflake Posts: 537 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 16, 2014 03:38 PM
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GeminiKarat Moderator Posts: 1436 From: Austria Registered: Jun 2014
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posted October 16, 2014 04:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: This looks very nice... your p Sun conjunct their natal Suns....so they are twins?? That's so cute! Bless them!I see a close connection between you two, and getting even closer with your Venus transiting their ASC stellium And Jupiter rules their IC so this is very nice. Your venus will guide them in expressing their ASC. It's also interesting to post their progressions/your natal.
Thank you very much! I was worried a little bit, but you are right I should not underestimate Venus.
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Astro keen Knowflake Posts: 3737 From: UK Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 17, 2014 05:25 AM
Leeloo,I'm not getting these charts right and can't figure out why. I think I'm doing as you suggested: "create a natal chart with that date and the same location, using your TOB. You will get an independent chart exactly the same as your progression that you can play with." But the natal chart that I create with today's date, birth location and TOB is not the same as my progressed chart for today. I also tried generating a chart for the modified date which appears on the line below the "progression for..'. This is about 2 months later than my birth date (which I do not understand). Am I doing something wrong? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 17, 2014 05:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Astro keen: Leeloo,I'm not getting these charts right and can't figure out why. I think I'm doing as you suggested: "create a natal chart with that date and the same location, using your TOB. You will get an independent chart exactly the same as your progression that you can play with." But the natal chart that I create with today's date, birth location and TOB is not the same as my progressed chart for today. I also tried generating a both chart for the modified date which appears on the line below the "progression for..'. This is about 2 months later than my birth date (which I do not understand). Am I doing something wrong?
The progressed natal chart is progressed 1 day for each year. If you looked at the modified day I mentioned, you would see it's the number of days after your birth equal to your age.
Use that modified date as the "birthdate" of the created chart, but with your natal TOB. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 17, 2014 07:19 AM
Ceri, I'm looking at your progressed synastry and I see that Full Moon on his angles awww also, a cross in the making: when will his Venus/Jupiter align with your nodal axis?
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 17, 2014 07:25 AM
Margy, I think Mir prefers an additional chart without asteroids. You can leave that one here for me to take a look at the asteroids, but post another simple one, planets only.BTW, when this relationship started? This looks like an intermediary phase. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16083 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 17, 2014 07:32 AM
Ceri, I like how his Venus approaches your Jupiter, so nice, it will become a Yod with Vertex/Juno and that mutable cross. Any specific event then? I am also curious how long his Uranus will be in your 12th?And his venus/Mars/Jupiter transiting your interception seems significant to me, at least for your evolution. ------------------
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