posted October 17, 2014 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ceri, I like how his Venus approaches your Jupiter, so nice, it will become a Yod with Vertex/Juno and that mutable cross. Any specific event then? I am also curious how long his Uranus will be in your 12th?

And his venus/Mars/Jupiter transiting your interception seems significant to me, at least for your evolution.

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His Uranus will be there forever.

posted October 17, 2014 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
His Uranus will be there forever.

Specific event? For what orb?

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You are right, I thought for a moment it was your progressed 12th house.

I suppose we can only look at a time frame - 2 a/2s, 1a/1s, your choice. How do you feel it, as orb in this case?

What about that 12 minutes rule, have you ever tried it?

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posted October 17, 2014 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Using the date of next week`s concert.

his pVenus 8°56 Pisces
his pJupiter 9°01 Virgo
my pNN 8°37 Sagittarius
my nNN 10°09 Sagittarius

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So it's already happening

posted October 17, 2014 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So I am running the dynamic report of solar fire for me in the next 8 years, and it gives these results:

only 1 degree orb

july 14 - july 16
[b]pMC square nMoon

november 14
PMoon in Leo

november 14-january 15
pMoon square n Uranus (peak: my birthday)

december 14- february 15
pMoon square pUranus

february 15 - october 17
pMars square nMC

april - may 2015
pMoon opposite pSun
pMoon trine nASC
pSun trine nDESC

july-august 2015
pMoon sesisquare nSun

september 2015
pVenus ingress 3rd house

december 2015- juanuary 2016
pMoon oppospite n Moon

december 2015 - february 2016
pMoon square pMC

january 2016 - august 2017
pVenus conjunct nBML

april 2016 - january 2018
pSaturn conjunct pDESC

june - august 2016
pMoon trine nMercury
pMoon opposite pMercury

june 2016 - march 2019
pMars conjunct nVenus

september - october 2016
pMoon opposite p Venus
pMoon opposite nBML
pASC in 2nd house

november 2016
pMoon ingress Virgo

february - april 207
pMoon square nMars
pMoon trine pMars
pMoon trine nVenus (march-april)

april- may 2017
p Moon square nASC

july - august 2017
pMoon opposite nJupiter

november 17 - january 18
pMoon opposite nJuno

december 17
p Venus ingress PIsces (2 days before my birthday)

january - march 2018
pMoon oppospite pJupiter

february 2018
pMercury retrograde

april 18 - november 19
pVenus trine nUranus

may 18 -
pNN conjunct nASC

june - july 18
pMoon square nMercury

june - august 18
pMoon sesisquare pSun

july - august 18
pMoon square nSun

november 18
Moon ingress Libra

february-april 19
pMoon conjunct nMC

feburary 19-september 20
pVenus trine pUranus

march-may19
pMoon square nVenus

apri-may19
pMoon square pVenus

april 19 - january 21
pDESC conjunct nSaturn
pDESC trine nJuno

may-july19
pMoon conjunct p/n Pluto

september-october19
pMoon square pSaturn

november 19
pMC in 12th house

december 19-january 20
pMoon square pASC

december 19-february 20
pMoon square nSaturn
pMoon trine nMoon

april-june 20
pMoon square nVertex and n Sun/Moon-mp

july20-march23
pMars square n/p Pluto

december 20
pMoon ingress Scorpio

december20-march21
pMoon conjunct n/p Uranus

january 21
pMoon in 11th house

april 21 - november 22
pVenus square nMars

septembre - october 21
pMoon semisquare nSun

october 21 - december 22
pMercury square pMC

november 21 - january 22
pMoon trine pSaturn
pMoon square pSun

december 21- october 23
Nodes direct

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I don't know, but reading this list, it makes me think of something important starting with 2016 - marriage/established relationship, possibly followed by maternity This is how I would read such a list.

posted October 17, 2014 08:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I looked up some progressions involving midpoints, mainly to the relationship planet, but also Mercury/Jupiter and Moon/Saturn cause these represent the 1st and 7th ruler midpoints for me.

So currently I am having

pMoon opposite pVenus/Mars 0°51a
pMoon opposite nVenus/BML 3°14a
pMoon opposite nMercury/Jupiter 3°59a

pSun conjunct pJuno/NN 0°06a
pSun conjunct nVenus/Jupiter 2°09a
pSun square nMars/Pluto 0°36a

pASC conjunct nMoon/Mars 0°04a

I see here a strong pull for romantic relationships, and this should bring significant meetings; I even see a possible meeting with a man related to the Mars/Pluto archetype: Plutonian?

pMC square pSun/Venus 0°06s

pMercury square pVenus/Vertex 0°06a

a bit of a shift here in love related matters; or Venus related

nMoon conjunct pSun/Venus 0°22a

nASC square pMercury/jupiter 0°44a
nASC square pVenus/Jupiter 0°05s

so these important progressed love mdp for ou are now aligned with your DSC

nMars square pMoon/Pluto 1.10 a

nVertex opposite pSun/Mars 1.22a
nVErtex conjunct pMoon/SAturn 0°02a

I find it hard to believe that all these markers related to your male archetype in your chart would not lead to meeting an important man for your love life.

Leeloo,
any thoughts?

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posted October 17, 2014 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So it's already happening

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posted October 17, 2014 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that synchronization seems to be important, at least as long as it is the result of both people close to a Sun/moon-relationship cycle individually.

I am not sure what you mean with the last sentence though. Could you elaborate on that

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I was thinking, following your idea, that the p composite aspect itself may have an additional/important meaning, a connective one, in the architecture of the progressed composite or other charts between those two. So maybe it's not only the nature of the p comp aspect that counts, but something else as well.

Looking at my parents, they met when she had an exact Sun sq Moon, he had a 3 deg Sun trine Moon. It is true that he took his time with his courtship, so maybe the trine reflects that.

Now looking at their progressed composite:

I see the result of Sun sq Moon Sun trine Moon is a Moon conj Jupiter 14 Aqua conj 18.42 Sun in Aqua. His natal Sun 20 Aqua, her natal Moon 20 Leo. The progressed Sun is EXACTLY on the 2nd cusp of the progressed chart, with p 5th ruled by Taurus. So this p comp Sun is 1 deg applying to their Sun/Moon opp. I'm inclined to think this Sun alignment may have been an additional important fact, despite them having previous Sun/Moon cycles, both hard, in their natals. The Sun/Moon sq/trine combo favors this happening in the progressed composite. Perhaps the meeting couldn't take place before this alignment on the p 2nd house cusp with the synastry exact opposition, even if they had previous cycles. It's that convergence I was talking about.

On the other hand, they also have Moon/Jupiter on p Avx (3-4 degrees) and

p comp Venus 15 Cap
p comp Mars 13.33 Cap
p Vesta 14 Cap

in the p 1st house. ( and they share a synastric Venus/Mars DW conjunction).

It's as if the progressed waited to "light up" the synastric aspects, as I always suspect it does. I believe in this role progressions have to "fire up" the synastric/composite aspects, to give birth to the relationship already written in there.

So I'd venture and say, despite from being significant in the natal progressions (being hard, crucial aspects), the progressed aspects between two people must also mirror/trigger the synastric structure, for the relationship to begin. Which I believe they do. Until they do, I suspect the relationship will not start.

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posted October 17, 2014 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't know, but reading this list, it makes me think of something important starting with 2016 - marriage/established relationship, possibly followed by maternity This is how I would read such a list.

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well I am going to be too old for maternity by then (41 years).

posted October 17, 2014 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
well I am going to be too old for maternity by then (41 years).

Interestingly though these 2016 always pop up

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posted October 17, 2014 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
well I am going to be too old for maternity by then (41 years).

Interestingly though these 2016 always pop up

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Yes, I remember something about your SR as well? 2015-2016 SR showing something about that.

I don't think 41 is too old for modern medicine

posted October 17, 2014 10:03 AM            

EDIT: his p Moon is actually at 29 Aries, not 5 Taurus.

Progressed synastry (me inside)

my natal inside/his progr

his natal/my progr

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posted October 17, 2014 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Margy, I think Mir prefers an additional chart without asteroids. You can leave that one here for me to take a look at the asteroids, but post another simple one, planets only.

BTW, when this relationship started? This looks like an intermediary phase.

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posted October 17, 2014 10:50 AM            

For now, we ONLY focus on Progressed-to-progressed.

HERE we see one of the big progressed miracles appear….

(I’m almost sure that if Lee had ANY idea of her own p-to-p/n charts she wouldn’t leave nor question the progressions for a second.. – it’s probably just a matter of time before it will become an inextricable part of her analysis )

Her pVenus conjunct his pAsc
His pVenus conjunct her pAsc

AT-the-VERRRY-same-time ^^^.

THIS is what we want to see!

Yes ok, it’s separating both but does that matter so much? Does that take away the *MIRACLE*? Answer: NO it doesn’t. And the aspects are very slowly separating also (p-to-p IS) so …

OK, let’s process this all ^ first before we go to our next observation in that chart.

Any questions?

Any feelings?

posted October 17, 2014 10:53 AM            

Can't wait to see the rest of your flamboyant show Already my heart is jumping (thank you for that )...

posted October 17, 2014 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I think nowadays that is not too old!

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Nice of you to say this, but it would be my first child, and I don´t even have a man to have a child with at this point!

It seems to be some of the things I am not going to have in this life. And the thing is I did not even decide AGAINST having a child, I just did not do ANY decision at all for many many years, and THAT is now biting me in my behind, just as my mother always said it would.

posted October 17, 2014 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

So I'd venture and say, despite from being significant in the natal progressions (being hard, crucial aspects), the progressed aspects between two people must also mirror/trigger the synastric structure, for the relationship to begin. Which I believe they do. Until they do, I suspect the relationship will not start.

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Yes, I agree with that.

In fact I have been thinking of this, myself.

Let me take Mr Sag and me as an example; of course we have been having a dynamic Sun-Moon-progression, both individually and in composite before.

Let`s have a look thre:

2008, when we met:
I was just having a progressed first quarter Moon with Moon on 2 Taurus - interestingly the same that is my Dad`s natal phase (even on close degrees) and the same one mr Sag is applying to just now, or next year.

He was having an applying progressed New Moon, though it was still 11 degrees away.

However there was no Sun-Moon-aspect in the progressed composite that year.
(only a progressed novile, but that was probably too subtle, well I find even sextiles and trines on the subtle side, if it comes to triggers, so I am not inclined to put a lot stock into the novile in this regard. lol)

Moreover, so my pSun on 00 Aquarius, my pMoon on 00 Taurus. While it was triggering my own chart, conjunct my 5th house cusp and opposing my Uranus (1 degree applying). (Uranus seems a rather big bell in progressions for me as it turns out).

It also related to the composite (our Chiron-ATropos on 29 Aries and 00 Taurus, Union on 29 Libra, ASC on 1 Aquarius) - but that was MY relation to our composite.

However his natal chart does not have any planets on the first degree of fixed signs, as it should have been for a trigger, though interestingly enough is own UNION is on 29 Libra, and his VESTA on 2.59 Taurus.

But that aside, we would have been looking for Sun-Moon more than anything else, I guess. No such luck.

his P Sun was still too far away on 26 Capricorn, or 25.55 Cap as we met.

his pVenus was trine my nUranus (and sextile my pMoon) - and indeed Venus-Uranus progressed synastry has been sticking to us like glue ever since. Though by now it is my pVenus coming out of a square with his Uranus. (seems the intensity of the Venus-Uranus has been turned up over the last years. lol).

I think the Venus-Uranus thing was strong enough to trigger some intrigue, at least on my part it certainly did, but possibly not strong enough to lead to anything tangible, except one weird bizarre intense first meeting between two Centaurs.
there was no Venus-Uranus in composite either.

Not even the fact that my pPsyche was conjunct his pPsyche and nERos helped this. Though it was an interesting indicator, especially with our names being aligned with that.

his progressed New Moon would happen a few months later on 26 Capricorn, still conjunct his natal Venus. So a MAJOR love progression for him (though he was in a longterm relationship at that point). It did not have any connection to me though, as I was not aspecting that love progression of his at all.

my Sun had already separated from the conjunction to his n Venus, which was just fading out when we first saw each other 2 years before hte first meeting, and by now my Sun had progressed into Aquarius, a good 4 degrees from his n Venus.

Well my natal LINK is on his Venus and consequently p New Moon, but ifwe are having to grasp for asteroids like this, I feel we are grasping for straws.

Truth be told, it was not our time. Period.

Fast forward may 2012.

our pr composite had a waxing quarter Moon with pSun on 2 Aquarius and pMoon 2 Taurus.
Look familiar, those degrees?
It seems I am having the solunar progression individually first, then 4 years later the composite has it, and then 4 years after that, his own follows. I don`t know if that is for all people that case, but we seem to follow this weird 8 year rhythm, with the individual progressions being the bracket, and the composite one probably being a turning or illuminating point somehow.

Interestingly enough in the september 2011, I was at a solo concert of his, which was the first time he stepped down of his stage to come over to me and push me into some sort of (stage)chart, including asking me for my name.
That would have been normal, performers do that, if not for the fact that he had already stopped talking to me and had walked a few steps and then turned back to me and asked me for my name, and after that not leaving my side of at least half the song he was singing.
It was bizarre. Intense. Definitely pushing me out of my comfort zone of emotional hibernating.

Interstingly that day our pr composite Sun was conjunct our composite ASC by one minute. ONE MINUTE!

Anyway in may 2012 I had gone into disappearance mode again, what I did not know is that he was in the process of breaking up with his girlfriend and simultaneously was publicly singing a selfwritten song, which when I heard it later on, really made me freeze in my track. Cause it just was describing my mode of acting (non-action) too well; at least from one perspective, or as I said, maybe he knows many women like me. lol

I saw him later that year on an open air musical production, and he did recognize me, judging from the way his head was snapping back to me, and staring at me for half of the chorus of that song. lol
Nevertheless we did not meet nor talk on that occasion.

So why not?
Except that i like to waste as many chances as possible apparently. Or just deluding myself, who knows?

Still we wer ehaving that promising New Moon in the pr composite, and Sun still not even one degree separating from composite ASC. It would have been a god time,r ight?

Interestingly that moment his own pSun had just entered Aquarius, I mean. 00°00 Aquarius! Just like it was for me the night we met.
I probably should have been there on that concert in may 2012. *sighs*

He wasn`t having a solunar progression himself though, even though interesting to note, his pMoon was novile his pSun, near to the degrees of the composite of the time we met. Oh and his pMoon progressing over my nJupiter.
his pVenus exactly square my nMars.

Interestingly his pASC was on the verge of changing signs, being on 29 Taurus.

I was ALMOST having a solunar progression.
In fact in august that year when I had decided to come out of hiding and pouting again, having wasted enough time licking my wounds of perceived delusion and ignorance and insecurity, I was having pMoon on 26.41 Gemini, opposing my natal Sun on 25.56 Sagittarius, and maybe more importantly, opposing HIS natal Sun on 26.58 Sagittarius.

Of course by then our pr quarter moon in composite was separating by 3 degrees already. Not that it really would have meant an obstacle, 3 degrees are still a strong one including pr Moon.

The aspect was strong from my side, especially with it being opposing our natal Sun-Moon-conjunction.

But nothing in his progressed chart related, he was not having a solunar progression either or even near one.

So maybe that was just that.

posted October 17, 2014 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Margy, I think Mir prefers an additional chart without asteroids. You can leave that one here for me to take a look at the asteroids, but post another simple one, planets only.

BTW, when this relationship started? This looks like an intermediary phase.

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Here is our chart with no asteroids for mir

Relationship started back in February around the 12th so just over 8 months now.

posted October 17, 2014 01:10 PM            

Our composite will have pSun sesisquare pMoon.

And then in january 2016 pr composite MOon will be opposite n composite Sun (1° applying), just after pMoon having passed pIC (1 degree separating), which coincidentally is just 4 degrees off his own natal IC.

Around that time his own individual progressed first quarter Moon will peak (0°25a); with pMoon on 3 Taurus, EXACT on his natal Vesta.

my own progressed fullmoon will have passed about 9 months by then (9 months, hu? )

BUT my pMoon on 17 Leo will be exactly opposite my nMoon on 17 Aquarius (and incidentally opposing pBML on 17 Aquarius)

I find it interesting that I have the resonance progression of Moon-Moon to his progressed Sun-Moon-progression, peaking at the EXACT same time.

his pMoon will oppose my pUranus 0°51 s

his p Moon trine my pMars 1°30 a
(which has just a few months before starting to conjunct my natal VEnus, ruler of my 5th house)

and then his pMoon will square my pSun (about 4 degrees applying, so that one would peak in may 2016)

Of course some other things concerning Sun-Moon-cycle will happen before that, including my pMoon opposing his pSun, and his pMoon trining my nSun. Actually my p Moon will opposes his pSun, BEFORE my own progressed fullmoon peaks.

the synastric Sun-Moon-fullmoon will happen on 19th january 2015 (and it is funny that I planned on seeing him on stage on New Years eve, just a few minutes before my p Moon will exactly oppose his pSun).

It is happening on 2 Leo-Aquarius, just one degree off our composite DESC-ASC axis. his pSun on the c-ASC, my pMoon on the c-DESC.
Plus it is exactly squaring my pUranus on 2 Scorpio, and his natal Vesta on 2 Taurus on my 5th house cusp.

At that point our pr composite Moon will be on 11 Gemini just beginning its conjunction to pJupiter on 13 GEmini, in the natal composite 5th house, starting the Grand trine to Pluto on 15 Libra and p Mercury on 14 Aquarius. But also being quinkunx the chartruler pUranus on 13 Scorpio.

interesting times. I guess.

posted October 17, 2014 02:27 PM            

FURTHER WITH LEE;

In the p-to-p we clearly see HOPE for the future;

Lee's pVenus
His pSun

(^ an applying Opposition by about 5 deg - not the least as WHEN this comes into orb OR palpable it's a benefit for at least a decade - mid 2024 it will be within a 3 deg orb)

BUT ^ - Lee's own pVenus is on its way to make a conj to her pSun, which.. will reach its peak in august 2028.. of which her pVenus is then ALSO (still appl by 1,5) opposed his pSUN! (AND.. on her way to make a TRINE to his Natal Sun by 8 deg! - hope~hope~hope)

Hmm.. so let's look a bit further in the future for these ^ when the peak of their pSun/pVenus opposition occurs;

April 2034;
Lee's pVenus 20'47 Scorp (her pSun 19'23 scorp)
His pSun 20'47 Taurus
His nSun 21'47 Pisces

(*MIRACLE* ^ .. her pVenus STILL tightly applying to his nSun and exactly opp. his pSun!!)

And to not forget;
Lee's nSun 20'23 Virgo!

(^^ = a verrrry strong symmetric pattern ALL-together! ~ some type of fortress with 2x the strongest progressed biggie that can occur; Sun/Venus = always on TOP of the progressed melting list (with V/M a second) - let's not forget that!)

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Note: in april 2032 her pSun will be EXACTLY conjunct his natal Moon.
HIS pSun will then be a few degrees separating from a SOLSTICE conjunction to her natal Moon - but that it occurs around the same time is very striking/interesting ofcourse.
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Another Note: I find it also pretty interesting that in that specific birth-year 2034-april we see some strrrong SOLSTICE biggies coming up; Lee's pSun/pVenus both Solstice conjunct his natal Venus, appl. By 2-3.
AND his pVenus solstice conjunct her nSun, appl. by the exact same degree!!
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But ofcourse, there's more (back to now);

Her pVenus right-now is on its way to make a TRINE to his pMars by a bit less than 5 deg I suspect.

(niceeee ^ ! and again this will be a longgg benefit for both as p-to-p is slowwww - it will come into the 3 deg orb MID 2017 - it will reach its peak in March 2022 at the Cancer/Scorp degree of 5,5-6, which IS.. aligned with their NATAL Venus/Mars square at-about-the-same degrees!)

Sooooo.. that Lee's Sun and Venus will make a square to his natal Venus some day is not so much of a problem as the above pVenus/pMars trine will survive everything! (just an obstacle here or there - part of life)

The most hopeful for the very near future is this one;
His pVenus in an applying opposition currently by 4 deg to Lee's natal Sun AND conjunct applying to his OWN natal Sun! The occurrence at the same time is ofcourse amazing! (Lee, that natal Sun/Sun aspect carries a LOT all-together as you see! - no coincidence ofcourse that some in astro-world are convinced any Sun/Sun aspect is VERY important - but I would say: it CAN be highly important, but that all depends on the progressed biggies that will arise; - perfect example YOU)

This one ^ - his pVenus/your pSun comes into the 2 deg orb aroung aug/sept 2016..

That will be THE time Lee!

I hope you now get a glimpse of the progressed miracle..

And u see.. why would we look any further than only this?

I'm sure there are more miracles to find between only Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/Asc/Desc .. but THESE all above are THE ones we would like to see.. as.. THE ones that bring people closer! ļ

posted October 17, 2014 03:00 PM            

Let's hope we'll raise to the occasion these aligned stars prepared for us

I was thinking about the same thing, how important a Sun/Sun synastric aspect is for progressions, since it carries Venus with it, if the Sun/Venus natals angles are right for each other to be in sync in progressions.

BTW, your Neptune (DSCruler)/Jupiter/DSC looks awesome, I was wondering: how many degrees applying was when you two met?

After your pbreak, of course

posted October 17, 2014 03:58 PM            

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I was thinking about the same thing, how important a Sun/Sun synastric aspect is for progressions, since it carries Venus with it, if the Sun/Venus natals angles are right for each other to be in sync in progressions.

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We'll have something like that in the far furture,

Natal Sun/Sun BI-quintile (completely exact if we allow some minutes).

When my pVenus is at 19 Libra (our Compo Sun) it's quintile his nSun and quintile my own nSun.

(And exactly at that time also ^, his pVenus is at 11 Pisces! so our pVenuses exactly solstice conjunct)

But 2 deg further in time when his pVenus is at 13 Pisces, there will arise another quintile pattern; his pVenus quintile his nSun AND Bi-quintile my nSun.

posted October 17, 2014 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, I remember something about your SR as well? 2015-2016 SR showing something about that.

I don't think 41 is too old for modern medicine

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I don´t quite remember.

My Solar return does not seem too exciting. Well I do see there is a watery Moon near the IC, and Uranus in 5th.

but all in all unexciting