posted October 18, 2014 01:43 AM            

I will post the charts in the thread dedicated to him - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000355.html

posted October 18, 2014 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Here the statistics;
http://www.positiveastrology.com/ANS.asp

Well, here we see that pMars/nVenus OPPOSITION has no special power. Even less it seems..

The power (when we remove all of the relationships which include Sun/Venus trines conjunctions and oppositions) as we see, lies more in the progressed Venus/Mars TRINES.

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Thank you, Mir. I'll post the charts in dynamic, as I did with the Bull. Aqua and I split for the first time in Nov 2005, I thought the relationship no longer supplied with what I needed for my personal growth, I was in an applying conjuncting of t-Pluto on my nMoon-Neptune-SN conjunction, which was a turning point for me; I begun my awakening, while he was oblivious to spirituality, even though he was a Christian. We got back together a few day prior to New Year's and stayed together for one more year. I think part of the blame is my pSun square his nSun.. I know Paul Westran thinks differently on pSun-nSun squares.. but I thought we became fundamentally incompatible.. I thought he couldn't understand the real me, even though we were pretty happy on some level..

Here's the charts.

1st break-up, Nov 2005.
My pSun - 05Tau55
His nSun - 07Aqu03

His pMars - 17Sco47
My nVenus - 18Tau47

(still applying..)

His pVenus had by then separated from the square to my nMars and nPluto and was applying to a square to my nSaturn. The love killer.

posted October 18, 2014 04:37 AM            

Feb 2007.

My pSun - 7Tau02
His nSun - 7Aqua03

My pMoon - 14Sco31
His nSaturn - 15Sco43

His pMars - 18Sco14
My nVenus - 18Tau47
(still applying.. damn)

His pJuno - 17Tau45
My nVenus - 18Tau47
He actually bought a ring, threw it to my face during the break-up.. I was sorry for him, it broke my heart.. but I couldn't stay any longer in a relationship with him.
He met someone a few months after we ended it, but dated her casually because he still wanted me back. They became steady around the time his pSun sextiled his nVenus and married in 2011 or 2012 I think. Idk the date and I don't want to check his FB right now lol. It was probably when pVenus conj his nSun at 7 Aqua. He seems happy so I'm glad it worked out for him.. I paid for his suffering with my blood, in full, too, so justice was served I suppose.

posted October 18, 2014 11:05 AM            

In p to p I see he is transiting your 12th house, perhaps for a longer time, right? Wow he has 5 planets in there, especially that Venus/Saturn on cusp: bringing things from your depths, psychological triggering/transformation; confronting your own shadow, even.
He activates your 5th with Saturn and Juno with his Moon and Mars. The other stellium of his transits your 5th, usually not love related, but I see you have natal 8th in Virgo, so more transformation, perhaps?
Again and again, this man is for you about your own personal evolution, at least for now
Your potential impact on him is a bit similar, with a focus on his 8th.- for p to p, and 9th and 10th for p to natal.

However, there are significant Sun/Moon/angle connections on both sides: are you together now? Because that would be a good time to start a connection.

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posted October 18, 2014 11:14 AM            

My pMoon - 14Sco31
His nSaturn - 15Sco43

I am sorry
What is the situation of his Saturn in his natal?

Also, did you have Sun/Sun in your synastry?

posted October 18, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
DM, that's the ring

[b]My pMoon - 14Sco31
His nSaturn - 15Sco43

I am sorry
What is the situation of his Saturn in his natal?

Also, did you have Sun/Sun in your synastry?

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You think that is the ring? I thought it was Juno.. though hold on, he was also having pSun sextile nNeptune (his DC ruler..). We didn't have Sun/Sun, they were 6 deg apart from making a sextile, I think that's too wide. What do you mean about his Saturn? It was in his natal 3rd, at 16 Scorpio, it ruled his 5th house, was conj Mars and sq Sun but widely.

posted October 18, 2014 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I'm jumping in on this topic, too.

Here's a few notes.
The famous pVenus-nSun situation is happening on both sides. His has already passed over my Sun(mine on 16TAU), mine is now approaching his(his on 2TAU). His pVenus was right on my nSun when I met him.

I feel that his pVenus going out of orb might be one of the things that is making me cool off on him. While it was in orb to my Sun, wow, I was crazy about him. Just completely starry-eyed in love, it was quite a hilarious thing to happen to a Moon/Uranus person. And very, very inconvenient. I was not expecting myself to react like that.

And just as his pVenus went out of orb for my nSun, my pVenus came in orb for his nSun. Funny, that.

- his pVenus is on my nMars in 8°

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LOOK at thatttttt ^^!
Westran's research is full of couples who had this at their *START*..

That's why you often see semi-sextile or conjunct (same sign) Suns together. Because of their progressions that line up like this.

posted October 18, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
It is yes for just over 8 months now.

Based on that chart there isn't much to look forward to then?

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On that chart only, I'm afraid not. But I suspect there's something more happening in the progressed-to-natals? They're as worthy as the p-to-p's, let's not forget that.

posted October 18, 2014 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
You think that is the ring? I thought it was Juno.. though hold on, he was also having pSun sextile nNeptune (his DC ruler..). We didn't have Sun/Sun, they were 6 deg apart from making a sextile, I think that's too wide. What do you mean about his Saturn? It was in his natal 3rd, at 16 Scorpio, it ruled his 5th house, was conj Mars and sq Sun but widely.

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As I suspected...Mars conj Saturn sq Sun and ruling 5th, touching his Saturn is like touching his button lol That's how to get a ring from a Saturn lover. Your pMoon transited his Saturn by conj and thus created the archetype of marriage for him He saw you as his bride.
Plus the supportive sextile Sun/DSC ruler in his own chart.
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posted October 18, 2014 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
As I suspected...Mars conj Saturn sq Sun and ruling 5th, touching his Saturn is like touching his button lol That's how to get a ring from a Saturn lover. Your pMoon transited his Saturn by conj and thus created the archetype of marriage for him He saw you as his bride.
Plus the supportive sextile Sun/DSC ruler in his own chart.

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Sadly, yes. He was convinced nobody had a more perfect relationship than we did.. It wasn't bad.. but looking back now I needed to take the steps that I did, because I would have never found my true self if I had stayed with him. I also realized I would have never left him if Bull wasn't in the picture.. So though it was very dramatic at that time, it happened as it should have.

posted October 18, 2014 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
LOOK at thatttttt ^^!
Westran's research is full of couples who had this at their *START*..

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posted October 18, 2014 04:22 PM            

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My problem: I continue to wonder if I was right in the decision to end this relationship - has lead to such soul searching. On the other hand, the opportunity cost of being in an unfulfilling relationship is also great. So, is this done? Would so love to know.

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posted October 18, 2014 04:39 PM            

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Thanks Lee.
I think it's something I may never understand.
Nope- we are not together. Sometimes I think things may be brewing- but then they don't.
I'm going to try & refrain from posting anymore charts until something changes (if ever).
I appreciate you looking so much. I don't know why I feel so strongly for this man. It's brought transformation yes- but a ton of pain for me.

posted October 18, 2014 04:56 PM            

Look forward to what Leeloo says, about this ending, or lessons learnt. These last few months have been yucky!

Incidentally, my son just got engaged. There's always something to lift our spirits .
His SUN is at Libra 22°46'
Transit Sun at Libra 23
t Venus at Libra 21
t Mercury at Libra 23

posted October 18, 2014 05:39 PM            

It looks like a trial, a rough patch. It's hard to break a relationship with the composite nodal Kite you have (and its rulership), Saturn doesn't look strong in your synastry. My guess, looking at those two charts: I think you will remain friends, it will be hard for you to separate completely. But maybe the romance part is over, but who knows that?? It's just both natals (synastry and comp) point to a relationship becoming a friendship, at some point. Maybe not just yet though, I don't know - but that's the trend in those charts.

Congratulations for your son!!!!!!!!!!
Is it the Moon/Saturn synastry?

posted October 18, 2014 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b]IJ, looking at your charts for overlays and other things:

In p to p I see he is transiting your 12th house, perhaps for a longer time, right? Wow he has 5 planets in there, especially that Venus/Saturn on cusp: bringing things from your depths, psychological triggering/transformation; confronting your own shadow, even.
He activates your 5th with Saturn and Juno with his Moon and Mars. The other stellium of his transits your 5th, usually not love related, but I see you have natal 8th in Virgo, so more transformation, perhaps?
Again and again, this man is for you about your own personal evolution, at least for now
Your potential impact on him is a bit similar, with a focus on his 8th.- for p to p, and 9th and 10th for p to natal.

However, there are significant Sun/Moon/angle connections on both sides: are you together now? Because that would be a good time to start a connection.

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Thanks Lee.
I think it's something I may never understand.
Nope- we are not together. Sometimes I think things may be brewing- but then they don't.
I'm going to try & refrain from posting anymore charts until something changes (if ever).
I appreciate you looking so much. I don't know why I feel so strongly for this man. It's brought transformation yes- but a ton of pain for me.

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I am sorry, IJ
I think it's a good idea for you to detach a bit, maybe obsession/preoccupation (don't take in the wrong way) is fueling the pain, and not him. I know how it's like It's more how we perceive a person rather than what that person does, our expectations. Don't let him invade your mind, if he's not an active part of your life, if he's not there for you

posted October 18, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Congratulations for your son!!!!!!!!!!
Is it the Moon/Saturn synastry?

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Leeloo, thanks for your thoughts. More supportive than you know. Whatever you've said makes good sense. We will stay friends, but need to get over us first.

posted October 19, 2014 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Working on detatching Lee- thank you.
Whatever is meant to be will be...

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Is this the guy who's gonna call in November?

posted October 19, 2014 03:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Congratulations, Astro keen!!

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Awwww! Dancing, thank you .

posted October 19, 2014 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
LOOK at thatttttt ^^!
Westran's research is full of couples who had this at their *START*..

That's why you often see semi-sextile or conjunct (same sign) Suns together. Because of their progressions that line up like this.

Interesting that you can already *feel* this separating S/V aspect... and another nice pVenus/nMars one waiting for u (next to the other S/V coming up now), hmm nice!

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I am actually hoping to end this relationship and get over it once and for all. The progressions are not looking optimistic for me moving on, do they. My Saturn's return is nearly done now and I'm looking at things in a much more realistic light, and I find many areas of my life in need of "fixing". Severing the ties in this relationship seems like one of the big ones.