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Aubyanne
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posted October 20, 2014 10:55 PM
  
What do you make of CHIRON conjunct TISIPHONE in synastry, Ami? Anything?IP: Logged |
mir
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posted October 21, 2014 01:21 AM
I had also my Chiron exactly on his MC.I brought him pain, according to his mom (I guess). But she was a very classy ***** full of power games.. and he saw it also but he couldn't exactly ADMIT it.. while I DID (to the final end - where I wrote her a letter with the truth and nothing but it  - very deep and confronting,. like only a scorp moon can - her Sun was conjunct my moon by 2 deg) I know one thing for sure.. I *SAVED* him.. from what?
From the next girl that would be abandoned from her despotic Household (there was never an exception).
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Selene
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posted October 21, 2014 01:32 AM
My grandparents had Sun conjunct Chiron in 2 degrees orb. They loved each other till the end, as to he died a few months after her because saw no reason for living without her. They were together for more than 50 years...IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted October 21, 2014 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This I have found from doing charts. People with Chiron in the NATAL conj the MC have pain that others can see. The person can't help that because who would want others to see their pain lolFor you, in synastry, I wonder if you would bring him pain that others could see, Orange. That would be the meaning of the aspect imo His Chiron conj your Saturn may make YOU the strict father who tells him to stop whining and get over it lol
Thanks, Ami Makes sense. If i ever bring him pain, it would def be visible to a lot of people. I hope not, thou..
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12muddy
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posted October 22, 2014 07:01 AM
Ah. My natal chiron opposes my stellium. My s.o's chiron square his stellium and trine some other planets.Synastry: Chiron square sun/merc/MC, sextile venus/mars/moon, trine saturn, oppose asc. Yeah there was pain being brought to the surface. Then came the healing phase  According to him it was one of the main things that brought him closer to inner peace. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 22, 2014 07:31 AM
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hypatia238
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posted October 22, 2014 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
What do you make of CHIRON conjunct TISIPHONE in synastry, Ami? Anything?
Maybe he avenged your death to later find out he killed the wrong person.! SO needed healing revolving around that. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted October 22, 2014 09:29 AM
Imagine he hears a rumor that so and so did this to you or killed you. He then avenges your death but later finds out the rumor was wrong and ill intentioned and somebody else is responsible. He maybe even finds out that the person he killed is a good person and so feels guilty about this forever.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted October 22, 2014 04:05 PM
Chiron is also a teacher. The teacher and tutor of heroes. Becoming a hero takes a strict training, discipline, pain.I would look for its position to see when one learns something (and what) from the other, something that changes their life. That's why Chiron is so strong in important long-term love synastries. In the natal, Chiron shows you what and where you need to learn to become a hero, an initiation fir for a hero. That "something" you learn through Chiron becomes wisdom you will pass on to others. That's the "wounded healer" syntagm, as I see it. It becomes an important gift and talent. ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
panzi
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posted June 16, 2016 02:05 PM
Any insight for Chiron conjunct True Node?He also has his Chiron opposite my Moon and Venus.IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted June 16, 2016 06:36 PM
I still don't understand it well. Chiron is a healer. Is he also the one who wounds the planet person? Wounds and then heals?? That doesn't sound good. I have an exact Venus square Chiron with someone. I am Chiron
Also his Chiron exactly conjuncts my MC and opposite my Sun (-5.45a). Can somebody give me a short interpretation please? I'm sorry, I've read everyone's replies but I really don't get this planetoid..only that the theme is Pain. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 16, 2016 11:27 PM
Chiron uncovers that which is already wounded and vulnerable and may cause pain by opening that wound for examination. Invariably we learn something about ourselves through Chiron contact, either by transit or in synastry... it may be very difficult to be so vulnerable with another person... it is far more difficult in fact than words can usually convey... but i think it's the significator of true deep enduring love because true love knows the deep dark secret hurt of a person and still loves and supports them. It's partly through accepting the wound that healing can come... paradoxically perhaps... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 16, 2016 11:33 PM
The Venus Chiron square can uncover the wound and leave it open... can ignite the true love and not know how to consummate it... it could also simply operate as many squares in synastry do: forcing action, compelling tangible results as pertains to whatever planets and signs and houses are involved. The Venus Chiron square indicates tension between the amorous nature of one person and the need for true acceptance and deeply informed and intimate guidance of the Chiron person... depending on the signs involved as well as the overall tone and expression of each planet in the individualized natal charts, this could be a dynamic and fruitful tension or a very frustrating and disappointing one... Invariably a Chiron contact is ultimately healing.... I believe that, having gone through much chiron related pain which seemed totally senseless at the time. But the pain which is caused through the association is part of the healing of deeper wounds usually. Chiron is such a very personal planet that the issues encountered in these relationships are rarely "new"--as in the other person may be hurting you but the wound they are prodding is quite old indeed...IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 16, 2016 11:51 PM
Read the first post on this thread I'm linking to though for a marked departure in thought from the whole wound idea... and into possibly more satisfying territory energetically. I know Chiron is a very deep facilitator of healing and this isn't just because of woundedness.. although a real awareness of the depth and reality of suffering is the greatest gift for a healer, and to hear the cries of the world is that which arouses our divine compassion (Kuan Yin is the bodhissatva of compassion and this is one meaning of her name, apparently--to hear the cries of the world). So when our lover sees our chiron... our true vulnerability... how can they help loving and caring for us? And when our Chiron perceives our lover.. perhaps even moreso... for Chiron facilitates this kind of holistic vision... we are able to care for them deeply. It is also a powerful transmitter of energy in its own right. I credit my moon chiron opposition with my energy healing ability. It is a very conductive planet (well, centaur--semantics) and so tends to cause intense emotional experiences in synastry for this reason alone--
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006790.html IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted June 17, 2016 09:29 AM
yungang_grotto,thank you for taking your time to explain. Just one more question: who is more vulnerable, Chiron or planet person? I understand that ultimately both people are but still.. The questions people always ask, who has the upper hand? Who is more in control? Who will hurt who? Who is more affected? We are all afraid of pain and suffering in love. Emotional dependence is akin to drug dependency. IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted June 17, 2016 09:51 AM
I have Taurus Chiron 9H (conjunct Jupiter and SN).
My husband has a Taurus Moon, Saturn 2H
His daughter has a Taurus Sun, VenusWhen I came into their lives things appeared very nice but now that I am under the surface...well, "things" appeared. His daughter has so many issues for such an early age (8) that it's hard for me to even try to help her without becoming annoyed. Her father (my husband) more than often enables her issues so to not rock the boat. There's been many sick and disturbing things surrounding his ex-wife (mother of child) as well and to be quite honest there are days when I am 100% certain I can't cope anymore. I think this is a classic Chiron To Planet family where I, as the Chiron, take most of the beating. My husband has told me many times that I came into their lives to create balance. At first I laughed him off but now I realize how right he was.. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 17, 2016 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
yungang_grotto,thank you for taking your time to explain. Just one more question: who is more vulnerable, Chiron or planet person? I understand that ultimately both people are but still.. The questions people always ask, who has the upper hand? Who is more in control? Who will hurt who? Who is more affected? We are all afraid of pain and suffering in love. Emotional dependence is akin to drug dependency.
Sorry, I am not yungang_grotto, but I want to give you my answer.
This is not the nature of chiron to have the upper hand or to inflict suffering or to receive suffering.
U need to reformulate your concept. Change your angle/point of view.
Chiron makes one whole, makes one into ONE. The other is only a reflection that destiny has led on your path to help you and to help them too. Suffering is a dual concept, if you understand chiron, you are not into duality.
You may suffer, but you will find contentment
You may inflict suffering, but you bring healing Chiron's orbit goes from saturn to uranus, saturn being the last traditional planet. Chiron is beyond personal issues, while still being totally personal. It is a paradox. And so very spiritual I have a vague memory, having read that buddha didn't recommend to reach for happiness but for contentment. In between sorrow and happiness Chiron is somewhere showing that direction You see, in that sense, we are far away from power issues. And pain comes with healing and compassion AND wisdom
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted June 17, 2016 07:01 PM
pire,Thank you for responding too! Well, that's good then. Unlike other outer planets, apart from Saturn maybe, I understand that Chiron is very karmic so there's no escaping it and shouldn't be viewed as a good or bad thing. I guess two people will just have to live it through and learn something out of it. I am actually very glad that as you said it's about duality, your explanation has really opened my eyes..so to speak, because I was preparing myself to an ordeal. quote:
Originally posted by pire:
You may suffer, but you will find contentment
You may inflict suffering, but you bring healing
Even with square? I understand a lot better now but what's difficult to wrap my mind around is the difference between square and trines.. Would there still be pain and suffering with trine? If not, then what does Chiron becomes about? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2016 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Sorry, I am not yungang_grotto, but I want to give you my answer.
This is not the nature of chiron to have the upper hand or to inflict suffering or to receive suffering.
U need to reformulate your concept. Change your angle/point of view.
Chiron makes one whole, makes one into ONE. The other is only a reflection that destiny has led on your path to help you and to help them too. Suffering is a dual concept, if you understand chiron, you are not into duality.
You may suffer, but you will find contentment
You may inflict suffering, but you bring healingChiron's orbit goes from saturn to uranus, saturn being the last traditional planet. Chiron is beyond personal issues, while still being totally personal. It is a paradox. And so very spiritual I have a vague memory, having read that buddha didn't recommend to reach for happiness but for contentment. In between sorrow and happiness Chiron is somewhere showing that direction You see, in that sense, we are far away from power issues. And pain comes with healing and compassion AND wisdom
TOTALLY. I can never answer that question, the who inflicts the pain with Chiron question. Such wisdom here, that it must be reframed. Indeed.
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Powerpuffy
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posted August 05, 2020 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
TOTALLY. I can never answer that question, the who inflicts the pain with Chiron question. Such wisdom here, that it must be reframed. Indeed.
Hi I understand the effect of lesson in love and growing but just wish to know about Neptune : if his Neptune opposition her Chiron in synastry does that meant he may be capable of cheating on her? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 11, 2020 10:48 AM
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BlackSwan
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posted August 11, 2020 02:30 PM
fantastic information, I was just reading about Chiron aspects on Magi Astrology website and this thread was bumped the same day! Thank you IP: Logged |
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