posted November 22, 2014 06:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
For me, this is a tricky question.

1. The Nodes, imo, behave in a similar manner to the waxing and waning of the Moon. In the empty darkness of the New Moon the Sun's light is absorbed and replenishes Luna. Full, the Moon then reflects this image back to the Sun, which he loves, then releases that energy into the dark expanses of the night. The Sun, from our experience on earth, behaves in a similar way. At dawn he rises, radiates warmth and light upon the planet. At dusk he sets, rests to replenish his depleted stocks.

2. All of the planets, according to Martin Shulman in his Karmic Astrology series, radiate and absorb energy interchangeably.

3. Unlike the planets, the Nodes are more limited in scope. At each point (NN or SN) they do one or the other, but never both. So the NN is where you take in, and the SN is where you release.

It can be extrapolated that a NN + Venus contact, minus SN interactions elsewhere, can become tricky. At those times when Venus is radiating energy all is good; Venus finds a receptive consumer for her energy, and the NN have a provider. Drama arises when Venus is tapped out and switch to absorption mode; NN may view Venus as "unproductive" & Venus may view NN as draining.

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posted November 22, 2014 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

This aspect is sometimes found in unrequited scenarios, when there isn't much besides it. In this case, I suppose the Venus person simply wants to be part of the other's NN (life path), but because of the rest of the synastry, the story is unrequited. It can be the other way around as well, with the Venus person being a lesson of (unrequited) love for the NN person.
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I totally agree. For me, the Nodes are set in certain direction. For example, people with natal Nodes on ASC are very charismatic, very alluring. People simply want to be in their circle, it seems as the Node/ASC person know where they are going and are focused in doing so, the ppl around them want to take a ride.

Same with the synastrical conjunction - Venus wants to be part of the Node person life, because they love where the Nodes are going. Venus ( or the planet person) may also help them move along their path by providing love and comfort.

posted November 22, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

I agree with Nine, that when Venus stops providing the loving energy, the Node person may become draining and demanding.

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In other words, barring the other aspects in the charts, it's a pretty one sided relationship as far as loving energy is concerned isn't it? Rahu accepts and takes what venus gives, but doesn't do much giving in return. Venus gets drained because they don't get the energy back. So that's when Rahu finds them useless and leaves Venus's sphere. They may both like each other, but the loving energy that feeds the relationship comes mostly from venus.

posted November 22, 2014 11:57 AM              

On the other hand, the Nodes are an axis, integrating two opposing signs/houses. The nodal axis signifies the movement from a familiar zone (first part of life) - SN towards your life purpose (second part of life) - NN, with the need to integrate both, as a cycle - hence the connection with the lunar cycle. Therefore, any planet conjunct one of the Nodes conjuncts the entire axis. People conjuncting our SN bring their support on this path by coming from a familiar zone (the connection with past life is found here too, for the same reason) - they propel us towards our NN, whilst helping with integrating our SN, either separative or not. People conjuncting our NN aspire to be part of our future, they are supportive, but they also benefit from the constant changes/improvements in our lives. The NN is not a passive point, it's like the tip of an arrow, so it doesn't just take, it also gives, it's proactive and constructive, always looking towards the future. NN and Venus go hand in hand on this path, if the rest of the synastry shows this common life path.

The most dynamic aspect to the nodes however, the one constantly connecting SN with NN and infusing energy into a long-term relationship, seems to be the planetary square, based on its quasi-omnipresence in long-term synastries and composites.

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posted November 22, 2014 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:

In other words, barring the other aspects in the charts, it's a pretty one sided relationship as far as loving energy is concerned isn't it? Rahu accepts and takes what venus gives, but doesn't do much giving in return. Venus gets drained because they don't get the energy back. So that's when Rahu finds them useless and leaves Venus's sphere. They may both like each other, but the loving energy that feeds the relationship comes mostly from venus.

If this is the case then doesn't that mean that it is venus that has stronger feelings for Rahu than vice versa?

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That's pretty much how it works.

Nodes do not emit energy but consume and absorbs like a sponge. The North Node feeds off the energy of the others in order to move ahead. It's a good, benevolent ride, thou. If the Node person approves of the Venus, and trust me, the North Node will not waste time or energy on someone who does not contribute or is of no value... and, if Venus loves the Node, the two can go very far together and do wonderful things together.

I have had people's planets on my Nodes and I can say they have been pulled to me quite strongly. but then again, my North Node sits on top of my ASC and both oppose Sun ( on the south node) so their planets conjunct all that.

posted November 22, 2014 12:29 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
That's pretty much how it works.

Nodes do not emit energy but consume and absorbs like a sponge. The North Node feeds off the energy of the others in order to move ahead. It's a good, benevolent ride, thou. If the Node person approves of the Venus, and trust me, the North Node will not waste time or energy on someone who does not contribute or is of no value... and, if Venus loves the Node, the two can go very far together and do wonderful things together.

I have had people's planets on my Nodes and I can say they have been pulled to me quite strongly. but then again, my North Node sits on top of my ASC and both oppose Sun ( on the south node) so their planets conjunct all that.

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I love your comparison with the "ride', Orange. The nodal axis is like our ship and we take the planets on board (if there are other things about them suggesting they're good travel companions lol) - sometimes only until the next harbor but, depending on the rest of the synastry, it can also be until the final destination

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posted November 22, 2014 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I love your comparison with the "ride', Orange. The nodal axis is like our ship and we take the planets on board (if there are other things about them suggesting they're good travel companions lol) - sometimes only until the next harbor but, depending on the rest of the synastry, it can also be until the final destination

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very well put, hunny.
Straight to the point with a few words.

posted November 22, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Nodes do not emit energy but consume and absorbs like a sponge. The North Node feeds off the energy of the others in order to move ahead. It's a good, benevolent ride, thou. If the Node person approves of the Venus, and trust me, the North Node will not waste time or energy on someone who does not contribute or is of no value... and, if Venus loves the Node, the two can go very far together and do wonderful things together.

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Spot on!!

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On the other hand, the Nodes are an axis, integrating two opposing signs/houses. The nodal axis signifies the movement from a familiar zone (first part of life) - SN towards your life purpose (second part of life) - NN, with the need to integrate both, as a cycle - hence the connection with the lunar cycle. Therefore, any planet conjunct one of the Nodes conjuncts the entire axis. People conjuncting our SN bring their support on this path by coming from a familiar zone (the connection with past life is found here too, for the same reason) - they propel us towards our NN, whilst helping with integrating our SN, either separative or not. People conjuncting our NN aspire to be part of our future, they are supportive, but they also benefit from the constant changes/improvements in our lives. The NN is not a passive point, it's like the tip of an arrow, so it doesn't just take, it also gives, it's proactive and constructive, always looking towards the future. NN and Venus go hand in hand on this path, if the rest of the synastry shows this common life path.

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posted November 22, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Nobody is saying its negative.

She asked who is affected more and its always the Node person.

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She was opening a greater discussion, athene. There have been MANY threads on this, and a few were stating it's a negative influence. I've never seen that.

posted November 22, 2014 12:48 PM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
Can't agree with any of this. Sounds great in abstract astro theory, but will break down in practical application.

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Meaning??

You isolate NN from SN?

posted November 22, 2014 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Meaning??

You isolate NN from SN?

You see NN as a passive point in the chart?

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I won't isolate them any differently than I would isolate the New & Full Moon. One Moon, two faces, two distinct influences. Also, I don't believe the conjunction is the same as an opposition. I'll agree they're both tense aspects, but not the same.

The Nodes are points not planets. Planets bring a lot of with them into an aspect. The Nodes, imo, needs a connection to be activated.

posted November 22, 2014 01:10 PM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
I won't isolate them any differently than I would isolate the New & Full Moon. One Moon, two faces, two distinct influences. Also, I don't believe the conjunction is the same as an opposition. I'll agree they're both tense aspects, but not the same.

The Nodes are points not planets. Planets bring a lot of with them into an aspect. The Nodes, imo, needs a connection to be activated.

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That would suggest that people who have no planets on their nodal axis or no aspects to their NN have a dormant life path; however, everyone's nodal axis becomes active the moment they are born: it couldn't be otherwise, just by considering the connection of the nodal axis to Sun/Moon/Earth, activated at birth, plus the two opp rulers of the nodal axis.

posted November 22, 2014 01:34 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:

In most situations, I have noticed that the Node definitely learned a lesson from the planet person. The planet somehow made them realize something important, or helped them in one way or another, or pushed the making a decision, or provided an opportunity...etc. A lesson was learned at the end and something has changed for the better. ( north node)

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posted November 22, 2014 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

very well put, hunny.
Straight to the point with a few words.

In most situations, I have noticed that the Node definitely learned a lesson from the planet person. The planet somehow made them realize something important, or helped them in one way or another, or pushed the making a decision, or provided an opportunity...etc. A lesson was learned at the end and something has changed for the better. ( north node)

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posted November 22, 2014 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That would suggest that people who have no planets on their nodal axis or no aspects to their NN have a dormant life path; however, everyone's nodal axis becomes active the moment they are born: it couldn't be otherwise, just by considering the connection of the nodal axis to Sun/Moon/Earth, activated at birth, plus the two opp rulers of the nodal axis.

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When I said, 'Planets bring a lot with them into an aspect', I meant in a chart comparison/synastry, not a natal chart.

posted November 23, 2014 07:24 AM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
When I said, 'Planets bring a lot with them into an aspect', I meant in a chart comparison/synastry, not a natal chart.

Unaspected planets and pointa in a chart still have a role to play. Just that they'll manifest differently than those with planetary relationships. I know this, and didn't mean to imply otherwise.

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I agree with this. Actually, in most important relationships, there is always a bunch of mutual planetary aspects to the nodes. I suppose this shows the connection between one's self (planets) and the other's life path.

posted November 23, 2014 12:11 PM            

My pVenus in Virgo have never met a NN in Virgo.

My Sidereal Sag Venus have never met a NN in Sag.

My Draconic Gem Venus have never met a NN in Gemini.

posted November 24, 2014 05:39 AM              

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Originally posted by manderin:
I knew a couple of people who had south node connections in synastry and for both of them, what happened was that in the beginning they felt really comfortable with one another but over time big problems came up and they ended up ending it. I don't know if this is a SN thing or not, but I wonder if with the NN it's the opposite- Where perhaps in the beginning the NN person is uncomfortable, but over time they enjoy the company more and more.

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Not in my experience. Long-term couples often have something on the SN. But as I was saying, anything touching the nodal axis touches both ends. Maybe you're influenced by the view that SN is a malefic point.

I think it's important to understand that the ancients believed what is down is bad, what is up is good; what is left is bad, what is right is good; what is at the end (29 deg, 12th house) is bad, what is at the beginning (first degrees, 1st house) is good etc etc.

This ancient way of thinking, totally arbitrary, is related to the principle of similarity connected to primitive magical thinking. The primitive magical thinking uses similitude to understand the world, in connection with limited knowledge, and attempts to control it - if I eat the tail of a fox, I become cunning; something coming from the West (where the sun sets) is malefic etc.

Astrology is still saturated with this outdated principle of similitude.
I think it's time we all get rid of it
It's obvious that Cauda Draconis is as important and benefic for the Dragon as its head.

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posted November 24, 2014 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Not in my experience. Long-term couples often have something on the SN. But as I was saying, anything touching the nodal axis touches both ends. Maybe you're influenced by the view that SN is a malefic point.

I think it's important to understand that the ancients believed what is down is bad, what is up is good; what is left is bad, what is right is good; what is at the end (29 deg, 12th house) is bad, what is at the beginning (first degrees, 1st house) is good etc etc.

This ancient way of thinking, totally arbitrary, is related to the principle of similarity connected to primitive magical thinking. The primitive magical thinking uses similitude to understand the world, in connection with limited knowledge, and attempts to control it - if I eat the tail of a fox, I become cunning; something coming from the West (where the sun sets) is malefic etc.

Astrology is still saturated with this outdated principle of similitude.
I think it's time we all get rid of it
It's obvious that Cauda Draconis is as important and benefic for the Dragon as its head.

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