posted April 14, 2019 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
First of all, is the Pluto-person "plutonian"? Meaing is pluto aspecting their inner planets in their birthchart? Secondly, one aspect isn't going to tell you whether someone cares or not.

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posted April 14, 2019 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
How many placements or aspects are needed to say whether or not a person is Plutonian? And I guess the Pluto person has to be Plutonian to care about the Moon person?

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No, it's not a number. Is pluto aspecting an important planet, such as the moon? Venus and mars are also important. A person is plutonian if they're obsessive and possessive in relationships.

posted April 14, 2019 11:38 AM            

It's a very intimate contact and I definitely feel obsessed. Jewel described it aptly in her video - Pluto feels drawn to the emotional nature of Moon... investigating and even "stalking" Moon's emotions. I do feel like this. Sometimes I will hit his emotional core which makes him feel uncomfortable but he opens up nonetheless. Moon feels vulnerable towards Pluto. I only realised this when his friend said he seems to tell me everything and he's generally a very private person. When he told me I only know 50% of him, I secretly made 100% my target. It's crazy obsession like this, lol.

However, he may be used to this contact (and I think he may secretly likes it) because of his Moon-Pluto natal. He acts cool but once he told me he feels like he's going crazy because he can't resist me.

In natal my Pluto in 5th conjunct Vertex, quincunx/parallel Sun, quintile Moon, trine Asc, opposite Jupiter, square Saturn, sextile Neptune.

posted April 14, 2019 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
We have a lot of Pluto contacts so I really can't tell which ones are playing out. Among them is my Pluto conjunct his Moon.

It's a very intimate contact and I definitely feel obsessed. Jewel described it aptly in her video - Pluto feels drawn to the emotional nature of Moon... investigating and even "stalking" Moon's emotions. I do feel like this. Sometimes I will hit his emotional core which makes him feel uncomfortable but he opens up nonetheless. Moon feels vulnerable towards Pluto. I only realised this when his friend said he seems to tell me everything and he's generally a very private person. When he told me I only know 50% of him, I secretly made 100% my target. It's crazy obsession like this, lol.

However, he may be used to this contact (and I think he may secretly likes it) because of his Moon-Pluto natal. He acts cool but once he told me he feels like he's going crazy because he can't resist me.

In natal my Pluto in 5th conjunct Vertex, quincunx/parallel Sun, quintile Moon, trine Asc, opposite Jupiter, square Saturn, sextile Neptune.

He has Pluto conjunct Moon/NN on IC, Pluto square Mars/Jupiter/Asc, sextile Neptune.

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posted April 16, 2019 08:23 PM            

My situation is very similar to yours. We have Pluto conjunct Moon almost exact (me being Pluto). My Pluto is also in my 5th H, which means that his Moon falls in my 5th H too. Btw how does this placement play put for you? I read that the Moon person enjoys spending time and romancing the 5th H person.

He has Moon conjunction Pluto natally. I believe the Moon person isn't affected as much since he has this energy natally. I can't say much about it though. Even though I've met Scorpio Moon men it's the 1st time someone's Moon conjuncts my Pluto.

posted April 16, 2019 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
yes, if they have the aspect natally, they don't feel other people's Pluto

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posted April 17, 2019 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
yes, if they have the aspect natally, they don't feel other people's Pluto

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I think they do feel the other person's Pluto, just that they're able to control it better because they've been living with such intensity. Like my guy with Moon/Pluto... he told me he was going crazy... that he thought of me every day etc but he was also able to control himself and not call or come near me and had me believed that he didn't like me anymore.

posted April 17, 2019 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
My situation is very similar to yours. We have Pluto conjunct Moon almost exact (me being Pluto). My Pluto is also in my 5th H, which means that his Moon falls in my 5th H too. Btw how does this placement play put for you? I read that the Moon person enjoys spending time and romancing the 5th H person.

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The feelings go both ways. We're romantic & affectionate with each other and very playful. We feel extremely comfortable together and we like to be physically close. Lotsa kisses & touching. We also talked about having a kid... it isn't something I want with every guy I loved but with him, I want it for real.

And then my Pluto is there conjunct his Moon/Pluto to add intensity so it's not surprising that we grew super close super fast to the point that we can't imagine not being in each other's lives in some way even if we part. This could be more a Moon conjunct Pluto thing than a 5H thing. And then this Moon/Pluto that falls in my 5H also trines my Venus so his Moon/Pluto is emitting a lot of energies. The only dampen is it squares my Saturn as well so I can sometimes be critical but mostly I'm very gentle with him.

posted April 17, 2019 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
The feelings go both ways. We're romantic & affectionate with each other and very playful. We feel extremely comfortable together and we like to be physically close. Lotsa kisses & touching. We also talked about having a kid... it isn't something I want with every guy I loved but with him, I want it for real.

And then my Pluto is there conjunct his Moon/Pluto to add intensity so it's not surprising that we grew super close super fast to the point that we can't imagine not being in each other's lives in some way even if we part. This could be more a Moon conjunct Pluto thing than a 5H thing. And then this Moon/Pluto that falls in my 5H also trines my Venus so his Moon/Pluto is emitting a lot of energies. The only dampen is it squares my Saturn as well so I can sometimes be critical but mostly I'm very gentle with him.

Also I think that this placement (not sure if Moon/Pluto contributes to this as well) also makes us hypersensitive to each other so we can easily hurt the other party.

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posted April 17, 2019 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I see
I don't have Saturn in hard aspect but my Mars squares his Pluto/Moon.
How long have you been together?

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posted April 17, 2019 04:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Coming to a year

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posted April 17, 2019 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
No, it's not a number. Is pluto aspecting an important planet, such as the moon? Venus and mars are also important. A person is plutonian if they're obsessive and possessive in relationships.

Being plutonian has nothing to do with whether a person cares or not. Again, one aspect doesn't tell you this.

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posted April 17, 2019 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:

The person has Mars trine Pluto, Mercury trine Pluto, Pluto trine Ascendant. Pluto makes a minor aspect to their Sun. And they have Pluto in the 5th house. I don’t know if that’s considered Plutonian or not.

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posted April 17, 2019 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
If they're not obsessing about you, then they're not being plutonian as far as you're concerned.

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posted April 17, 2019 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
So a person has to be obsessive to be Plutonian? I don’t think that’s how it works.

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posted April 17, 2019 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Probably means you did not press their Plutonic button.

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Or maybe they aren't actually Plutonian. I don't think people really know the true meaning of being Plutonian. Just because someone has a few aspects from Pluto to their personal planets doesn't mean their Plutonic. It depends on their placements Mars and Mercury are personal planets. But it's not the Sun or the Moon. I know I am but that's because I have hard aspects from Pluto to my Sun, Moon and my 8th house planets. If a person is Plutonian. It's not going to be just in regards to people. It's going to be how they are overall.

posted April 17, 2019 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Or maybe they aren't actually Plutonian. I don't think people really know the true meaning of being Plutonian. Just because someone has a few aspects from Pluto to their personal planets doesn't mean their Plutonic. It depends on their placements Mars and Mercury are personal planets. But it's not the Sun or the Moon. I know I am but that's because I have hard aspects from Pluto to my Sun, Moon and my 8th house planets. If a person is Plutonian. It's not going to be just in regards to people. It's going to be how they are overall.

For example my Pluto makes a conjunction to someones Moon. I didn't feel obsessive towards that person. Does that mean I'm not Plutonic? No you don't have to be obsessive over someone to be Plutonian

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It's funny because I've 5H Pluto quincunx/parallel Sun but I don't consider myself Plutonic, yet I can get obsessed over things and people. And you're right, you don't have to be a Plutonian to feel obsessed over someone. Similarly, you won't necessarily feel obsessed towards someone just because your Pluto conjuncts their Moon.

posted April 17, 2019 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
So a person has to be obsessive to be Plutonian? I don’t think that’s how it works.

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How would you know if a person is plutonian if they didn't enter into obsessive relationships? Being plutonian also has to do with power-struggles.

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Or maybe they aren't actually Plutonian. I don't think people really know the true meaning of being Plutonian. Just because someone has a few aspects from Pluto to their personal planets doesn't mean their Plutonic. It depends on their placements Mars and Mercury are personal planets. But it's not the Sun or the Moon. I know I am but that's because I have hard aspects from Pluto to my Sun, Moon and my 8th house planets. If a person is Plutonian. It's not going to be just in regards to people. It's going to be how they are overall.

For example my Pluto makes a conjunction to someones Moon. I didn't feel obsessive towards that person. Does that mean I'm not Plutonic? No you don't have to be obsessive over someone to be Plutonian

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posted April 17, 2019 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
You're misunderstanding me and Hikaru. YES, you need to be obsessive to be plutonian, but no one said you're going to obsess over every person that makes contact to your pluto. That's not how synastry works.

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posted April 17, 2019 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Wow! Well this is new to me! I didn't know in order to be Plutonian I had to be obsessive lol.

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posted April 17, 2019 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
It's one expression of being plutonian. Others are power-struggles, psycho-analyzing people, being possessive.

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posted April 17, 2019 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
And what if the person doesn't want to carry on this way? People have a choice about how they want to act.

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posted August 04, 2020 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
You're misunderstanding me and Hikaru. YES, you need to be obsessive to be plutonian, but no one said you're going to obsess over every person that makes contact to your pluto. That's not how synastry works.

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