posted April 12, 2015 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Oh, you're using equal houses then ? I find Placidus to be more accurate, personally.

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I'm actually using Placidus!
The difference of degrees between my house cusps is small, they go from 8~5~8.

posted April 12, 2015 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
I know, I know, I didn't find a better way.

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HA ! Brainwave.

posted April 12, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I'm actually using Placidus!
The difference of degrees between my house cusps is small, they go from 8~5~8.

Compare your Natal and Draconic chart, pay attention to the planets in the houses, they don't change.
Only signs and degrees change.
Even with intercepted signs the planets stay in the same place in the drawing.

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I know.

Draconic and Sidereal (and now, Vertex) are made by basically rotating your whole chart into different signs than the original.

posted April 12, 2015 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
I was asking because you seemed to say that all your houses had exactly 30 degrees inside. Or was it just your 11th ? 30 degrees, exactly ?

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posted April 12, 2015 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wonderful idea, Peluches! I don't have the time to calculate the Vertex chart now, but I wanted to mention there's also the option to study the Vertex persona, to see important/turning point/meetings/events in someone's life in relation to the Vertex position in the natal chart: mine is in Leo 7th house, so I expect the Vertex Persona to give a detailed explanation about what this position means in my case. My natal Vertex conjuncts Amor by 2 deg. and this is my Vertex Persona:

It looks very fated, karmic meetings/relationships are bound to happen, suitable for a Balsamic Moon, and it has, as expected, a very strong relationship emphasis.
Markers for fated and life changing meetings/relationships and karma in general: Sun conj Karma exact in the 12th house, for Pisces DSC; DSC ruler Neptune on IC; DSC conj Pholus; the Cardinal Cross connected to 2 Thor's Hammers, involving Juno with Saturn and Moon and other two giants, plus Chiron and first degree Union; Venus conj chart ruler and Priapus on ASC, Mars 8th ruler on MC with Ceres, Cupido in the 1st.

Anything else captures your attention?

Any insight on Neptune/Psyche perfect opp sitting on IC/MC axis?

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Wow ! That is one strong chart. If PSYCHE has already manifested itself in your charts as a 'deep love' themed asteroid, then I would go with that interpretation (especially conjunct the IC/MC !) and use NEPTUNE as the 7th house ruler. If PSYCHE has been more meaningful in telepathy or subconscious soul connections for you, then I would use that similar meaning in NEPTUNE for the interpretation. So, perhaps strong loves or powerful telepathic mental connections. (:

posted April 12, 2015 09:13 PM            

So, if we've got 8° CAN 32 (98.32) with a VERTEX of 19° CAN 13, then the operation is:

10° '47 (from 19° CAN 13 to 00° LEO 00) + 8 signs forward? Question is, are you moving signs from the new product (18° CAN 19 here) or from the following sign (LEO) as that's the way it was derived?

posted April 12, 2015 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
What I meant is that the planets fall on the same degree of the house as they are in the Natal and used my Venus as an example.

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Yes, but, you did say, for the example you used ("My natal Venus falls on 6� of Aries, my 11H ends at 8�." or "My VC Venus falls on 23�, my VC 11H ends at 25�."), that your VENUS was at the 28th degree of your 11th house, right ? So, 28 degrees added to the two missing I can see up there, in your example, makes 30.

posted April 12, 2015 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Yes, but, you did say, for the example you used ("My natal Venus falls on 6� of Aries, my 11H ends at 8�." or "My VC Venus falls on 23�, my VC 11H ends at 25�."), that your VENUS was at the 28th degree of your 11th house, right ? So, 28 degrees added to the two missing I can see up there, in your example, makes 30.

I guess it's just your 11th house.

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posted April 12, 2015 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay. I might be getting this.
(...)
I'm guessing it's from the product. Which is preferable, I think, as I almost had my mind completely blown. Sometimes it needs a break.

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Sorry :') New product, Auby.

Just, as it might get a little hard when you have to move a big number of signs forward, you can choose to reach 0° LIB 00' (instead of 0° ARI 00'), and then get the opposite.

In your case, 8 signs is much more than half the signs, to it'll be easier going from CANCER to LIBRA than from CANCER to ARIES.

So, when calculating your placements, add 10° 47' and TWO signs only. If that's done with the Vertex, you'll be getting 0° LIB 00'. All you have to do now is see the opposite sign.

• 8° CAN 32' + 10°47 = 19° CAN 19'
  
• 19° CAN 19' + 2 signs = 19° VIR 19'
  
• The opposite of 19° VIR 19' is 19° PIS 19'.

posted April 12, 2015 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
BTW, thanks Peluches.
You made me realize I made a mistake.
My Venus actually falls on the 30�, bc my 11H starts at 6� PI.
So yeah, my 11H has 32� degrees.

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posted April 12, 2015 09:30 PM            

Here's why.

So, I just move my SUN (with some change) two signs. That's it. 19° LIB to 19° SAG. Boom. Done.

But his has a legitimate product, so I derived that from 19° CAN to 00° LEO, taking the 10° '47 difference. But do I move THAT -- the product -- 8 signs?

The math (calculations) are telling me that it's 18° PIS, but when I move CAN eight signs, it's AQU. But that's counting from 18° CAN 19, directly forward.

So ... what's the deal?

posted April 12, 2015 09:33 PM            

Same thing here. It LOOKS like moving 9 signs to PIS, but it's still 240° between them -- or 8 signs.

posted April 12, 2015 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, no. I'm completely confused. Mine was too easy. Trying to move everything forward 8 signs is just headache-inducing.

Here's why.

So, I just move my SUN (with some change) two signs. That's it. 19� LIB to 19� SAG. Boom. Done.

But his has a legitimate product, so I derived that from 19� CAN to 00� LEO, taking the 10� '47 difference. But do I move THAT -- the product -- 8 signs?

The math (calculations) are telling me that it's 18� PIS, but when I move CAN eight signs, it's AQU. But that's counting from 18� CAN 19, directly forward.

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Actually, no. What you are doing is counting CANCER as number one and going from there. Right ?

The thing is, you have degrees in that sign, and you need to imagine you're counting from 19° Cancer to 19° Leo. THAT is what makes one sign. Check out this crappy drawing of mine. It's my natal (whatever, it's just because I need a chart), but I'm using your signs.

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posted April 12, 2015 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay, yeah, which doubles as an AVX Chart, so, huzzah! Less math!

Man, if it were 18� AQU, I think I'd have to clean up my brain from all over the room.

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posted April 12, 2015 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
OMG, STOP

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Seriously! 18º AQU is a crazy hotspot in my natal -- which has only carried on throughout so much soul-related and karmic stuff, it's not even funny.

posted April 12, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Seriously! 18º AQU is a crazy hotspot in my natal -- which has only carried on throughout so much soul-related and karmic stuff, it's not even funny.

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I'm sorry, Auby. I didn't mean to laugh at that.

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I'm processing the 18º PIS. But, hey, do I really feel all that SAG? Or lunar CAP, for that matter?

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I think that's 19 Pis, isn't it ?

My placements were rather easy actually. Vertex at 2 PIS 10', so plus one sign and minus 2.10 degrees.

posted April 12, 2015 10:02 PM            

cSUN at 29° LIB 54'
cNN at 29° LIB 56'
cMOON at 0° SCO 25'

posted April 13, 2015 12:31 PM            

From 8º32 + 10º47, I'm getting 18º72. But to return it to the proper degree format (60' in a whole) I subtract .60, which gives me 18º 19.

posted April 13, 2015 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Is it 19º PIS or 18º PIS?

From 8º32 + 10º47, I'm getting 18º72. But to return it to the proper degree format (60' in a whole) I subtract .60, which gives me [b]18º 19.

That's correct, yes? Or no?[/B]

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Now if you substract 60 minutes from 79m inutes, do not forget to add one degree to 18°, so you end up with 19°19.

posted April 13, 2015 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am getting actually 18°79.

Now if you substract 60 minutes from 79m inutes, do not forget to add one degree to 18°, so you end up with 19°19.

The 60 minutes are not disappearing they are just transformed into one whole degree and hence have to added to the degrees.

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That's what I meant, Ceri; 18º79. I was also having a conversation, and mistyped. I believe my error is in failing to carry the 1. That's likely why I'm having the difficulty I am.

However ... this is now confusing me:

When we calculate the Draconic by hand, we take the difference of the NNODE placement with the Aries Point -- 360º00 -- which, if I'm not mistaken, is an identical operation for the Vertex Chart, but with different integers.

And so, it would be, in this case:

360º00 - 109º13 = 250º87

And so, I took the 'product' of that (250º87 - .60) which brought me a final product of 250º27.

However ... are you saying I should be adding back a 1º? Am I instead making my calculations for 259º00 instead by mistake?

If I do that, I get 251º27.

Is THAT the true product?

If so, the calculation with SUN becomes:

SUN + N = VSUN

98.32 + 251.27 = 349.59, or 19º PIS 59

Is that correct?

posted April 13, 2015 01:24 PM            

360º00 - 300º44 = 59º56

using the 'standard' formula.

So, my SUN transforms to:

199º13 + 59º56 = 258.69
258.69 - .60 + 1.00 = 259.09, or 09º SAG 09