posted April 13, 2015 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
No, no, you can certainly laugh. I'm just serious!

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Phew !

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When we calculate the Draconic by hand, we take the difference of the NNODE placement with the Aries Point -- 360�00 -- which, if I'm not mistaken, is an identical operation for the Vertex Chart, but with different integers.

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Yup.

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And so, it would be, in this case:

360�00 - 109�13 = 250�87

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Actually, no. Don't forget there are only 60 minutes in one degree, so you must not subtract those figures as if they're normal decimals.

If it's any help, you could break it down like this when doing the operation mentally :

110° - 109°13 = 0°47 (and not 0°87 -- there are 60 decimals in one unit, not 100)

From there, it's easier to subtract 110 from 360 :

360° - 110° = 250°

So, 250°, to which you add the decimals we first calculated :

250° + 0°47 = 250°47

posted April 13, 2015 02:10 PM            

We have 10°28'. That translates into '10 degrees and 28 minutes'. We want to add 0°42', or '42 minutes'. So, as they're MINUTES, this is how we usually proceed :

10°28 + 0°42 = 10°70

Right ?

BUT, we cannot have 10°70 in our charts. It's impossible, because each degree has 60 minutes inside. 60, not more.

So, out of our 70 minutes, we remove 60 and we reduce them to one degree. Because 0°60 = 1°00.

We then add up our one degree to our 10°, because we can't just leave it off. We get 10° + 1° = 11°.

As we removed 60 minutes from our 70, we're left with 0°10'.

posted April 13, 2015 02:15 PM            

I prefer a different calculation.

My Vertex is 21°31 Cancer, so 111°31 Cancer, I substract these 111° from all my other planetary positions and arrive at the position int he Vertex-zodiac.
Well actually I do it differently, adding 8 degrees to any planet and then substracting a trine, it is easier for me to do. lol

Naturaly you can do a different conversion as well, especially if your Vertex is on the ohter half of the zodiac, let`s say 315° Aquarius, it might be easier to think of it as xxx + 45° = Aries point.

XXX would be the planet in question, and if you ADD those 45 degrees, you will arrive at the correct Vertex-zodiac position.

It is actually what I do with my DRaco chart. NN on 250°, means it is easier to think of it as adding a trine, after having substracted 10° (adding 110° to any position).

posted April 13, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne :
10� VIR 26 | TISIPHONE

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posted April 13, 2015 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Auby,

I prefer a different calculation.

My Vertex is 21�31 Cancer, so 111�31 Cancer, I substract these 111� from all my other planetary positions and arrive at the position int he Vertex-zodiac.
Well actually I do it differently, adding 8 degrees to any planet and then substracting a trine, it is easier for me to do. lol

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posted April 13, 2015 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Hey, that's on your ASC !

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posted April 13, 2015 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Auby,

I prefer a different calculation.

My Vertex is 21°31 Cancer, so 111°31 Cancer, I substract these 111° from all my other planetary positions and arrive at the position int he Vertex-zodiac.
Well actually I do it differently, adding 8 degrees to any planet and then substracting a trine, it is easier for me to do. lol

Naturaly you can do a different conversion as well, especially if your Vertex is on the ohter half of the zodiac, let`s say 315° Aquarius, it might be easier to think of it as xxx + 45° = Aries point.

XXX would be the planet in question, and if you ADD those 45 degrees, you will arrive at the correct Vertex-zodiac position.

It is actually what I do with my DRaco chart. NN on 250°, means it is easier to think of it as adding a trine, after having substracted 10° (adding 110° to any position).

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Honestly, his is 19º CAN 13, so, very close to yours. Yesterday, I was using your chart to proof the calculations and reverse engineer how you were doing it.

posted April 13, 2015 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Sooooooo, I wanted to try a Draconic Vertex chart, or Sidereal Vertex, as we already have the Draconic Sidereal. I'm not sure what it would show but it could be interesting -- combining the two different energies.

And ... what about a Draconic Sidereal Vertex ?

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posted April 13, 2015 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Mine, incidentally, would be:

360�00 - 300�44 = 59�56

using the 'standard' formula.

So, my SUN transforms to:

199�13 + 59�56 = 258.69
258.69 - .60 + 1.00 = 259.09, or 09� SAG 09

Is that the correct calculation?

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The second calculation is correct, but the final result is not. Because

360°00 - 300°44 = 59°16

Your SUN would be :

199°13 + 59°16 = 258°29

posted April 13, 2015 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

What would you suggest, since they're only 2º off, really?

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I would add 11 degree (so you arrive at 00 Leo) and substract a trine.

Of course you can also add 11 degrees and a sextile and pick the opposite position, but to me my way is shorter.

posted April 13, 2015 02:45 PM            

plus 2 minus the opposition. it just reflects the natal (well the polarity-points, at the opposing nd).

posted April 13, 2015 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well Mr Sag?s Vertex is on 28 Virgo. now THAT is easy.

plus 2 minus the opposition. it just reflects the natal (well the polarity-points, at the opposing nd).

it also brings my vVenus in conjunction with his Mars-Jupiter and opposing his vMars-Jupiter.

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Yeah, mine is literally 2 signs forward. Bam. Done.

posted April 13, 2015 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, mine is literally 2 signs forward. Bam. Done.

But his? GAH. I just want to use a calculation. All of this 'blah signs forward' and subtracting aspects is too much for my already addled brain.

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Auby

posted April 13, 2015 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, mine is literally 2 signs forward. Bam. Done.

But his? GAH. I just want to use a calculation. All of this 'blah signs forward' and subtracting aspects is too much for my already addled brain.

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posted April 13, 2015 03:13 PM            

VTX Sun oppose natal Venus 10 minute
VTX Moon oppose natal Mars about 1.5 orbs
VTX ASC oppose natal Mars
VTX Venus oppose natal Moon
VTX Union conjunct natal Karma

Vertex Persona:
Sun 27'27 Libra
Moon 25'20 Scorpio
Mercury 26'47 Libra
Venus 24'33 Libra
Mars 14'33 Gemini retro
Union 16'38 Scorpio
Pluto 16'54 Scorpio
Vertex 14'32 Sag on the great attractor
Karma 14'19 Pisces retro
Eros 20'07 Leo
Psyche 20'14 Gemini

Sun-Mercury-Venus conjunction
Eros/Psyche exact sextile
Mars-Vertex opposition
VTX Persona NN conjunct natal MC
VTX Persona Moon conjunct natal dsc wide

posted April 13, 2015 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Ya know, it's a zillion times easier to just use Microsoft Excel or a similar database/spreadsheet program. Using the time format automatically calculates 60' to a degree and everything. All you need to formulate is the actual difference between your VX and the Aries point. After that, just apply that value to all your other natal positions. /easy

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posted April 13, 2015 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Easy. Substract 109° from all planets.

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posted April 13, 2015 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Actually, no. Don't forget there are only 60 minutes in one degree, so you must not subtract those figures as if they're normal decimals.

If it's any help, you could break it down like this when doing the operation mentally :

110° - 109°13 = 0°47 (and not 0°87 -- there are 60 decimals in one unit, not 100)

From there, it's easier to subtract 110 from 360 :

360° - 110° = 250°

So, 250°, to which you add the decimals we first calculated :

250° + 0°47 = 250°47

The final result is 250°47.

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posted April 13, 2015 03:53 PM            

i was.... surprised.

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With the strong angle alignment it is almost funny to see all Venus-Mars unaspected. lol

Well they arenot unaspected in terms of Vx-natal synastry

my xVenus conjunct his NN (2)
my xMars conjunct his Chiron (0) - well maybe not the stuff dreams are made of, but an aspect nevertheless. lol

his xVenus opposite my Moon (2)
(and his xMoon conjunct my Moon (2) )
his xMars square my Moon (2) and conjunct a bunch of asteroids

but nevertheless even in this chart there seems a stronger luminary and angle oriented relation.

Though on second glance seems that even the Moons are unaspected. lol

posted April 13, 2015 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What about the Draco all at once?
I thought you wanted to calculate the Vertex-zodiac?

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posted April 13, 2015 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay, Pel, why 110? Where is that value specifically coming from?

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We have to go from 109°13' (his VERTEX) to 360°00 (Aries Point). Look at it in two separate parts.

• Part 1. Going from 109°13' to 110°00' (a neat figure, without any decimals).
  110°00 - 109°13 = 0°47
  
• Part 2. Going from 110°00 to 360°00.
  360°00 - 110°00 = 250°00
  

Altogether, the difference between his VERTEX and the AP is part 1 + part 2. This translates into 0°47 + 250°00 = 250°47.