posted April 13, 2015 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay, Pel, why 110? Where is that value specifically coming from?

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Oh, you were replying to this, too ? >>

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Originally posted by Peluches :
I've got time to waste. I could help.

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posted April 13, 2015 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
I meant that I could do the Vertex Chart for you, Auby.

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It may also be the machine language that gets attached to your messages (as processed by my machine). That ends up being a wee bit confusing.

posted April 13, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But, no, I'm definitely up for exploring this together. I DO want to understand the best ways in order to calculate this myself, but I'm certainly up for running the calculations together.

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Perfect

posted April 13, 2015 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Perfect

Did you get the 110 thing ? Or if it's easier we could do this by mail ?

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posted April 13, 2015 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Well, it's your thread, and step by step calculations may be helpful for those with goofier VERTEX placements. Like his, apparently.

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Got it.

So, from the beginning.

1. Find your Vertex in your chart and with your eyes, go counter-clockwise. Choose the first of the following two Aries Points you'll come across : 0°00 Aries or 0°00 Libra.
2. Calculate the difference between your Vertex and the end of its own sign (or the beginning, whichever is closer/easier for you). The product you get here will (likely) be a decimal.
3. From the beginning of the following sign you've reached from 2., count how many signs you need to add to reach the Aries Point you chose in 1. (0°00 Aries or 0°00 Libra).
4. To get your Vertex Chart, you'll be adding, to each of your placements, the first decimal product (from 2.) and the number of signs (that you got in 3.).

Example

Say my VERTEX is at 18° SCO 36'.

1. The first of the two APs I come across is 0°00 Aries.
2. The difference between my Vertex and the end of its sign is 11°24'. (18°36 + 11°24 = 30°00, at least in units of 60)
3. In the last point, I reached 30°00 of Scorpio, or 0°00 of Sagittarius. From 0° SAG 00' to 0° ARI 00', I need to go FOUR signs forward (or a trine).
4. Say my SUN is at 5° SCO 29'. First, I add the decimal product :

• 5° SCO 29 + 11°24 = 16° SCO 53'

• 16° SCO 53' + 4 signs = 16° PIS 53'

posted April 13, 2015 05:22 PM            

So, I took my VERTEX (00º AQU 44) and moved it forward two signs, to 00º ARIES. But that's clockwise. If I go anticlockwise, then it's 00º LIBRA that comes first in that sequence, which is four signs away.

posted April 13, 2015 05:24 PM            

SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH EVERYTHING THIS WEEK.

Right. So. ANTICLOCKWISE. Got it. Doing that. I'll return to your post now.

posted April 13, 2015 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ugh. tTARDIS is travelling with EVERYTHING right now; it's conjunct tVENUS, tMARS, tSNODE and loosely tURA at the moment. Then you've got MADHATTER creeping up on ALGOL, but, presently, opposite my 3H MOON (0º30).

Good God, my usual perception has gone to ribbons.

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Oh, nevermind. I had that wrong as well.

My Astrodienst was still registering 4 March 2015 as the transit date. (Uhh, what?)

Instead, it's tSUN=tTARDIS/tMERCURY -- a-HA! -- which is conjunct my sMADHATTER and dASC-VENUS 0º and 1º respectively.

Well, THAT'll friggin' do it. Astounding that my sidereal MADHATTER is that active. (Oh, why am I surprised?)

posted April 13, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Auby ... ... You're amazing.

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Well, I knew something had to be messing with me. In a VERY big way.

For the record, tALICE is 0º conjunct my PSYCHE, which tMADHATTER currently 4º from also being.

Goodness, is dear little ALICE not as innocent as she seems? This is more MADHATTER and JABBERWOCK) or, yes, TARDIS) territory.

But, perhaps, just as ALICE is never really sure of just what's going on, anything she touches she'll also ... confuse ...

Okay. So. MADHATTER is multidimensional -- that we know -- with the ability to traverse eigenstates, but appearing differently. SCHRODINGER is similar, except it's the principle of and or simultaneity. But we cannot observe the quantum world directly without changing its operations; we can only view its effects. Nonetheless, all possibilities are equally likely, true, or occurring, until observation, at which point all potential eigenstates collapse into one. Perhaps, SCHRODINGER's aspects show us which eigenstates are co-existent prior to collapse? I'll have to earmark that one for later ...

MADHATTER is merely just LEWISCARROLL in the Wonderland eigenstate. (Only Wonderland, and not Looking Glass Land, mind, as he's Hatta there, and, alas, there is no asteroid Hatta.) But MADHATTER deals, most definitely with time. And likely perceptual anomalies, I'm going to hazard to guess.

Let's consider the facts, in Wonderland, his biggest conflict is time. For one, it's constantly elongated around him, per his watch denoting the day, which is nearly equivalent to a year to Alice. He doesn't quite express whether Wonderland time is one day to an Earth year, or if it's unique to him. We can't know for sure.

What we DO know is that Time is a personified entity in his experience, with whom he even had enough of an association that he had free manipulation of it. But they 'quarrelled' the prior March (it's presently May) in which the Queen accused him of 'murdering the time' (intentionally not personified) and sentenced him to death.

So when we meet the Hatter, he's essentially a convicted murderer literally stuck in time -- we can only assume, staying his execution? It oddly worked to his benefit to end his association with Time just before the Queen accused him of murder (even funnier, of murdering the time) so that it's now forever 6 o'clock -- teatime.

Dodgson's greatest irony with the Hatter is that he's hardly insane. He's more aware than anybody what's actually going on, and he's working the system like crazy. He's just deft with logic and deflection that he's able to confuse the heck out of Alice -- as she's not from around there or used to his antics.

Most of this stemming from Dodgson's passion to delight in the same, though it was frowned upon to be so revolutionary or anti-establishment as a don of Oxford, (and mathematics professor) so he created Carroll to hide within that persona. (LEWISCARROLL also may denote things relating to a persona that better captures our authentic character, free from societal tampering. Not sure yet.)

WOW. What a tangent! Sorry about that.

Needless to say, tMADHATTER's coming up on my nPSYCHE and tALICE is already right there. Perhaps ALICE unwittingly confuses the points she touches because SHE's confused. But MADHATTER obfuscates. It manipulates and distorts with a purpose. It doesn't do so mindlessly. It's calculated and strategised.

... aaaand I may have just stumbled into the cause of this:

MADHATTER conjunct PSYCHE (0º)
PSYCHE conjunct MADHATTER (0º)

Which has ALWAYS perplexed me.

Hmmmm.

posted April 14, 2015 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
The second calculation is correct, but the final result is not. Because

360°00 - 300°44 = 59°16

Your SUN would be :

199°13 + 59°16 = 258°29

0° SAG is 240°, so 258°29 is 18° SAG 29'.

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Oh, for pity's sake. I'm no longer doing math with two people in the room discussing other things loudly, and frequently seeking my input. My brain can't handle it right now.

posted April 14, 2015 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, for pity's sake. I'm no longer doing math with two people in the room discussing other things loudly, and frequently seeking my input. My brain can't handle it right now.

I meant 19� SAG, rather than 09�. That was purely an oversight. Ugh!

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Don't worry, I do the same. Just so happens it was 5 in the morning most of the time I was on this thread and everyone was sound asleep.

Okay for 19° SAG instead of 9, but you're still missing something. It's 18° SAG, not 19°. Did you get the correct difference of 0°00 Aries minus his VERTEX ? Use units of 60, not 100.

posted April 14, 2015 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Wow ! That is one strong chart. If PSYCHE has already manifested itself in your charts as a 'deep love' themed asteroid, then I would go with that interpretation (especially conjunct the IC/MC !) and use NEPTUNE as the 7th house ruler. If PSYCHE has been more meaningful in telepathy or subconscious soul connections for you, then I would use that similar meaning in NEPTUNE for the interpretation. So, perhaps strong loves or powerful telepathic mental connections. (:

Oh ! A 8° VIR VENUS !

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Thank you, Peluches I think you are right, Venus there pretty much answers the question

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posted April 14, 2015 04:38 PM            

Also, I think your 0º Libra MARS is important as it's on an Aries Point, but I wouldn't give as much importance to the fact it's on the Antivertex of the Vertex Chart. Actually, it'd be like saying it's on the South Node of the Draconic Chart, or opposite any astrobody we want to make a chart of.

I think what would be meaningful is conjunctions to your 0º Libra MARS, from other astrobodies of the Vertex Chart.

posted April 14, 2015 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Well, I knew something had to be messing with me. In a VERY big way.

For the record, tALICE is 0º conjunct my PSYCHE, which tMADHATTER currently 4º from also being.

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Hmmmm.

LET'S GET THIS VERTEX CHART DONE!

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That was a beautiful post, Auby ... although I only understood half of it. I'm exhausted.

ALICE confuses what she touches ? Hmm. Maybe I should look her up. (:

posted April 15, 2015 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
(Btw, Auby, awakemer and me are 8º Virgo VENUSes !)

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Another one? Wow! That's ... this is overriding coincidental numbers. By a fair margin!

posted April 16, 2015 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Another one? Wow! That's ... this is overriding coincidental numbers. By a fair margin!

Wow! What minutes? I'm 08° VIR 36.

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And mine and Virgo guy's Sun/ASC are all on 8'° Virgo!!!

My Sun: Virgo 8°17
His Sun: Virgo 8°43
His ASC: Virgo 8°56

My Saturn isn't far either: Pisces 9°04

And Moon boy's Vertex: Pisces 10°31

posted April 16, 2015 12:08 AM            

Virgo guy's Vertex Chart:
Sun: Libra 24'55
Moon: Scorpio 5'34
Mercury: Scorpio 21'53
Venus: Pisces 2'54
Mars: Scorpio 4'21
Jupiter: Leo 22'05 (conjunct n. SN)
Saturn: Aqua 23'35 (conjunct m. NN)
Uranus: Aqua 17'34
Neptune: Aqua 25'55 (conjunct n. NN)
Pluto: Sag 29'01 (conjunct n. Uranus)
NN: Aries 12'01
SN: Libra 12'01
ASC: Libra 25'08
DESC: Aries 25'08
IC: Cap 18'26
MC: Can 18'26

posted April 16, 2015 12:10 AM            

My Vertex Chart - His Tropical
Mercury conjunct Uranus 2'
Mars conjunct Venus 2'
Jupiter opposite Vertex 0'
Pluto conjunct NN 3'
NN conjunct NN 4' (wide, yes )
IC conjunct Vertex 2'

His Vertex Chart - My Tropical
ASC conjunct Venus 1' ( !!! )
Sun conjunct Venus 0'
Moon conjunct IC 1' (oooh deep)
Mercury conjunct Pluto 3'
Mars conjunct IC 3'
Uranus conjunct DESC 3' (major influence of breaking down of old relationship ways/beliefs)
IC conjunct Neptune 2' (his core-being opened me up to my spirituality)

posted April 16, 2015 12:13 AM            

My Vertex Chart - His Tropical
Venus conjunct Uranus 0'
Venus conjunct Neptune 3' (we have an exact square in our natal synastry, interestingly when we met, tr. Venus was square tr. Neptune as well).

And that's it - LOL.

His Vertex Chart - My Tropical
Sun conjunct ASC 0'
Moon conjunct Venus 0'
Jupiter conjunct Vertex 0'
Uranus conjunct DESC 3' (wow ok, this seems to be a theme with the men in my life LOL)
Neptune conjunct DESC 0'
Pluto conjunct Neptune 3'
NN conjunct NN 3'
MC conjunct Moon 1'
MC conjunct Mars 0'

posted April 16, 2015 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
And mine and Virgo guy's Sun/ASC are all on 8'° Virgo!!!

My Sun: Virgo 8°17
His Sun: Virgo 8°43
His ASC: Virgo 8°56

My Saturn isn't far either: Pisces 9°04

And Moon boy's Vertex: Pisces 10°31

Looks like we're all one big soul family

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Oh, that makes all the sense in the world now, NV. We've also got a 0°20 SUN conjunct VENUS. No wonder!

Virgo Guy. That's the Twin, right? I talked to 'mine' today, actually. Had this weird flash forward of shooting together, and the realisation that eeeeverything would hit like an anvil not long after. Like a complicated revelation. We just fall too easily right back in step, as if no time has passed. Not that a LOT has, but, you follow. Since we were in a relationship. Since 2012.

It made me realise that it was a relationship. And for a few fleeting months, we forgot to deny that. We stayed in that space together periodically in two-week bursts for the duration of the year. Then, suddenly, January 2013, when he snapped to reality, it brought the realisation of how close we really were with it. He couldn't handle it. It broke through too many of his walls. He called me an emotional wrecking ball at one point, too. (How'dya like that, Miley?) Heh.

I guess, in hindsight, all he could do was disengage; break my heart so completely I'd never try again. Well ... he succeeded. Huzzah?

Well, THAT escalated quickly! Sorry about that.

Though it's quite wide, I was intrigued by my vSUN being 3° from my nVALENTINE, which is, in turn, 2° from his SUN/MOON.

I have to ask myself at times, what's the bloody point of being inextricable from someone when it ultimately brings you both such pain, frustration and confusion?