posted May 01, 2015 01:05 PM              

For you:

posted May 01, 2015 11:41 PM            

He feels that he's "damaged goods" in many ways, I think. He tries to hide a lot of his past from me, but I don't think this is possible for too long with our composite 8th house sun.

I just don't think at this point that we can get away from each other easily. Things keep going deeper and deeper with us. He keeps expecting me to go apeshit on him (he has Moon trine Pluto) and I keep expecting him to ice me out ... I have Venus square Uranus. The thing that matters is that we are both in it together and I LOVE this. When you find someone willing to be as generous as you are in a relationship ... hang on to them.

Chiron does not always have to be pain, pain, horror. It can be deep conversations, lots of touching, and interactions that are ... better than therapy. I have to admit that when I first started dating him, I was afraid that Chiron would leave me on the floor with my heart in pieces. It hasn't been that way, at least not yet.

posted May 08, 2015 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Has anyone experienced hard Chiron-Mars aspects in synastry?

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My MARS opposite his CHIRON.

posted May 08, 2015 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Has anyone experienced hard Chiron-Mars aspects in synastry?

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I have the square. My Chiron in Cancer square his Mars in Libra. I have Chiron in the 10th conjunct the MC, so anything touching it will touch it hard. His Mars is in the 11th.

Not sure what it does, I guess with the descriptions here I should be the one hurting more - because of that wound.

I do know I see a lot of traits in him especially emotion-wise that I've rejected in myself and basically tucked away so far that I didn't even know I still had them. It's forcing me to acknowledge these sides to me as well (all bad traits, I should admit), so maybe that's the square aspect? And Cancer can look for help - someone to take care of them - and I did realize not too long ago that I've started to rely on him a lot. He's pretty worried about us doing this too much with each other instead of going to a therapist.

posted May 08, 2015 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Just bringing my 2 cents, and as many of you already know based on geometrical studies of charts, I don't believe soft aspects are exclusively positive and hard aspects - squares - negative...

In other words, only a Gemini Sun can trigger and heal the mutable nature of a Pisces Chiron, and if the natal chart shows there's a need for that, that the key is the modal energy, no one will do it better than a Gemini Sun.

So, in the end, it all depends on what kind of healing/learning you need: do you need a surgery? do you need homeopathy? I think it depends on the disease

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Fantastic... perception changing stuff.

I really like this.

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posted May 09, 2015 03:34 AM            

this is what i have recently experienced.

posted May 09, 2015 06:48 AM              

On the other hand, Chiron is not passive. He is a fundamental teacher. The wound of Chiron is meant to teach us the power of a gift we have ourselves.

I have Chiron in Aries 3rd and I have experienced the greatest pain through words. This has taught me the power of words, to destroy, heal, create. I couldn't have learned it without experiencing this power myself, for good and bad. This is the lesson Chiron brings.

Wherever Chiron is in your chart (house sign aspects) you have a powerful special gift you need to use with great responsibility. You cannot play with it or be irresponsible with it, for the consequences for you and others can be very painful (similar to Saturn's presence, but in this case we are talking about a special healing gift)

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posted June 08, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, the stern parent would be rather Saturn.

Chiron is also not scolding anyone, but once having worked through the pain, can receive others with compassion and even a certain maturity/ wisdom, because of this very human experience.

Saturn fears others might see his insecurities and where he is "not enough" and before they can point it out and scold him for that, HE takes control and erects a wall and defenses.

Chiron can`t do that, his issue is actually that he is not able to erect walls around him (though this might be mixed symbolism with Chariklo, his wife. Yes Chiron was married! After having been abandoned by BOTH parents, he still managed to fall in love and have a marriage and family).

Chiron is vulnerability, but mostly towards himself.

Chiron learns to accept his vulnerability (btw vulnus is latin for "wound" ) as part of his being, accepts it for himself.

Saturn learns to be open about his shortcomings and insecurities to others.

At least that is my view as of now. always subject to change though.

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I agree about the second part of your first pararaphs though

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posted June 08, 2015 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wherever Chiron is in your chart (house sign aspects) you have a powerful special gift you need to use with great responsibility. You cannot play with it or be irresponsible with it, for the consequences for you and others can be very painful (similar to Saturn's presence, but in this case we are talking about a special healing gift)

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posted June 08, 2015 05:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, what do you think is up with my 9H CHIRON in Taurus? I ask because it seems absolutely intrinsic in what I'm here to do.

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posted June 08, 2015 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, that's a gift for teaching, Auby In Taurus, it needs to be used with perseverance, discipline, responsibility and most likely in a traditional manner, or offering solid, enduring values. I see this aspect as needing an official, traditional context for their teaching, such as an academy or doctrine of sorts

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posted June 08, 2015 10:10 PM            

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So, what do you think is up with my 9H CHIRON

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I had a friend with Chiron and Saturn in the 9th
She married a Muslim guy and had to convert from christianity to islam. The conversion was painful for her because she felt she betrayed her familiy and had to keep that a secret for a few years until she finally told them. She is a devoted muslim by now and loves every bit of it. The burden of the conversion remains with her, thou...
9th house is connected to religion as well.

posted June 09, 2015 06:31 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
I had a friend with Chiron and Saturn in the 9th
She married a Muslim guy and had to convert from christianity to islam. The conversion was painful for her because she felt she betrayed her familiy and had to keep that a secret for a few years until she finally told them. She is a devoted muslim by now and loves every bit of it. The burden of the conversion remains with her, thou...
9th house is connected to religion as well.

She has zero teaching abilities, thou.

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Absolutely. And long distance travel, law and doctrines and philosophy, I think it's even named so. Chiron in the 9th could also be an outstanding, "official" philosopher.
My idea is that Chiron in the natal is a special gift coming to you through painful experiences, in the beginning. Many of our gifts are revealed this way. Think of all the people who become healers especially because they have been wounded.
In the myth, Chiron doesn't stand out for being wounded...who wasn't? I mean what hero (from myths all over the world) hasn't been fatally or almost fatally wounded at least once?
Chiron stands out as teacher/mentor/healer. He was the teacher of heroes, which to me, it shows in our chart the place where we can become heroic, special, carrying a special gift. All heroes have it.

"A great healer, astrologer, and respected oracle, Chiron was said to be the first among centaurs and highly revered as a teacher and tutor. Among his pupils were many culture heroes: Asclepius, Aristaeus, Ajax, Aeneas, Actaeon, Caeneus, Theseus, Achilles, Jason, Peleus, Telamon, Perseus, sometimes Heracles, Oileus, Phoenix, and in one Byzantine tradition, even Dionysus"

Now, what stands out in this myth is that Chiron, although being a great healer, could not heal himself; could not die either, being an immortal. So he's carrying his wound. There are many possible lessons in this; one of them, the one I see, is about the perpetual wound making one perpetually careful and invested with his healing gift. Proudly carrying one's scars as a reminder of what NOT to do, of how to offer the opposite.

I think with your friend, maybe her 9th house Chiron wound opened her to new cultures/religion, to their relativism, that there is the same message in all religions. Or other things she learned with this.

posted June 14, 2015 11:49 AM            

At the end, I felt like it was my time to work through some things.