posted June 16, 2015 01:52 PM            

Apparently, it's a true love/marriage aspect and blossoms from the healing of past wounds through love. Chiron takes on the role as the "wounded healer", while Venus is healed and saved.

My Chiron conjuncts a woman's Venus exactly.

posted June 16, 2015 02:22 PM            

I share this with someone. His Chiron is exact on my Venus. But the conjunction is highly aspected, and negatively. I fell in love with him at first sight and I am the love of his life, but it didn't work out. But I can still feel the pain I went through with this person. It wasn't pretty at all.

My Venus 14 Gemini
My NN 16 Pisces

posted June 16, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
It depends on what aspects the conjunction makes.

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Me: Chiron 29 Gemini
Sun 27 Libra
Rising 14 Gemini
Saturn 17 Sagittarius
Uranus 23 Sagittarius

Her: Venus 29 Gemini
Mercury 26 Gemini
Uranus 29 Sagittarius

I don't know how big the orbs can be. Hmm what do you think athenegoddess?

posted June 16, 2015 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I share this with someone. His Chiron is exact on my Venus. But the conjunction is highly aspected, and negatively. I fell in love with him at first sight and I am the love of his life, but it didn't work out. But I can still feel the pain I went through with this person. It wasn't pretty at all.

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If you don't mind, what was it like? Who felt what? Why did it end?

posted June 16, 2015 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'd keep them to 3º. Potentially 4º, but only with the lights (SUN and MOON).

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Thanks Aubyanna

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
CHIRON conjunctions can be really rough.

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Is this due to the deep vulnerability? I get the sense I just know her wounds and insecurities. I suspect she knows mine too.

posted June 16, 2015 10:07 PM            

CHIRON is our deepest wound; that which we guard closely, as the pain is so great.

An example I enjoy is that between the late Dr William Masters and his famous colleague, Virginia Johnson, with whom he shared a complex, variable relationship. But, oh, the contributions to the field of human sexuality; they along with Kinsey essentially established it!

His deepest wound was wrapped up in his torturous home-life; severe emotional scarring from childhood. He was practically zombie, a very polite and logical scientist who valued the field for it not digging into his wounds.

She was a sex-positive pioneer -- a confident, sexy woman who enjoyed sex for its sake, and felt no need to apologise for it -- in the '50s in the Midwest. Her wounds stem from wanting to have a career rather than be a stay-at-home-mom, and her being labelled derogatorily due to her enjoyment of sex.

They have a gripping synastry. And, sure enough, CHIRON is involved.

In his blind pursuit of scientific knowledge, he accidentally trampled all over her deepest wound -- fearing that she was really nothing more than her sexual worth (and developing a neurotic shame in response). Meanwhile, her pulling deep emotions from him through his sexuality caused him to have to face the intimacy void he carried around on a daily basis.

You can just imagine the things that went on behind those closed doors.

Sadly, their relationship ultimate ended unfortunately, despite their exceptional contributions and the two decades of marriage. He left her suddenly for who he argued was 'the one that got away' and she died Mary Masters, despite having been divorced for quite some time. She later denied ever loving him at all.

It's plain to anyone really looking what happened.

They weren't aware of HOW to nurture each other's most delicate wounds, either through being damaged themselves, or just inadvertence. They should have opted for unabashed love, but they adhered to emotional distance in the name of self preservation. It eventually destroyed them, leaving deeper wounds.

That's the thing with CHIRON. It's a major responsibility. It requires total honesty and extreme emotional maturity. You're holding grenades and taking turns removing the pins and tossing them back and forth in some sort of demented hot potato game.

You can't ever forget that. Or why you're doing it, or the consequences of being lax for only a moment. Either you, your partner, or you both will suffer the consequences.

KABOOM!

posted June 17, 2015 05:53 PM            

While VENUS wasn't involved in their case, it hardly matters. VENUS, MOON, SUN, MARS, asteroids -- it's meaningless except in the sense of the type of pain that's being brought forth from CHIRON.

In my own experiences, CHIRON conjunct VENUS has led to some wonderful best friendships that blew up and ended in total estrangement.

posted June 17, 2015 06:38 PM            

Being that His Venus and Mars are conjunct my South Node, I can assume we were lovers before.

ALl I know is that I fell in love with him at first sight and the chemistry we had was very intense. That's probably due to my Venus square his Venus and Mars t squaring his Uranus, aspecting my NN.

And when I fell in love with him I didn't mind telling him so. This didn't make him runaway from me, but he just wasn't capable of intimacy. We still know each other seven years later, and I care about him and knows he does me but I fell this relationship was only brought to balance karma from a previous time. I feel that I owed him and had to pay him back.

posted June 17, 2015 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Ah ok, I gotcha. Makes sense about the midheaven being involved.

Just as Pluto brings intensity, Chiron brings deep vulnerability.

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Does, doesn't it? It's her CHIRON to his MC; she undoubtedly was very intimidated by the name he'd made for himself, though she longed to do the same. As a woman in that era, it simply was not done. Deep wound.

For him, the VAL-PSY is especially deep. He never really approached true romantic feelings incorporating sexuality until her, and they came with some very painful realisations in tow.

I find their experience so profoundly tragic because he never REALLY allowed himself to be fully vulnerable -- and neither did she. Instead, they banged up against each other's wounds and scars for decades, becoming oddly famous martyrs of human sexuality. Augh!

But loving is no easy feat. Some never truly master their own demons enough to learn and exhibit true love. Instead, they model the facsimile as if it's a close enough match. CHIRON allows no substitutions nor imitations. That's why it's the best and worst thing for a couple. It's all in how you approach and handle it.

I have CHIRON aspects in both my marriage and my relationship. Funny, my husband has CHIRON aspects in their synastry, too. His MARS is on my boyfriend's CHIRON (3°) with his MARS opposite my husband's CHIRON (2°). Then, with the woman my husband is dating, my CHIRON is trine her MOON (1°), with her CHIRON opposite my JUNO (1°) -- if that's not bizarrely fitting.

It becomes this complicated web of 'mutually assured destruction'. We're all aware and respectful of the other's needs, desires, boundaries, and triggers. Far more so than most friends or even lovers.

We did that sort of 'insta-bonding' thing, and then the 'settling in' period followed. Intense, constant communication, as she's learning about my husband through me, beyond his façade, and we're forming a genuine friendship.

I feel there's a whole body of research to be explored in regards to CHIRON aspects and inter-dynamics in polyamorous relationships. You wanna talk about something that tests everything you've got? That'll do it. Love, pain, confronting deep wounds and learning to heal after, sometimes devastating, catharsis. That'll do it.

It also forces everyone to be honest and genuinely caring of everyone else involved. Or the whole thing collapses. It's a house of cards from the first moment, and there's no foundation when it's built upon lies and deception. Anything less than honesty, trust, intimacy, and love.

posted June 17, 2015 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
In my case I wasn't vulnerable. Maybe he was, I felt he was afraid to admit he loved me because he was hurt maybe in a previous lifetime by me and/ or love..

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You don't know? It's definitely good to check into that.

posted June 17, 2015 08:32 PM            

One thing I have learned is that he isn't my counterpart... Just a lesson.

posted June 17, 2015 10:18 PM            

Athenegoddess, sorry to hear that. Now I know what you mean about having the Venus and Chrion aspected negatively. I guess a conjunct isn't all that positive with all those squares in the mix.

posted June 18, 2015 03:08 AM            

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I really don't care to find out..

One thing I have learned is that he isn't my counterpart... Just a lesson.

I know that twin flames are one in mind, body, and soul and there will never be any differences or separation there. And when I say Mind, they have the same mind and thoughts, body they can feel each others body, and soul they feel and have the same feelings. Its much more profound but meeting this person only happens when you are ready to stop being human.

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Ready to stop being human? But we're trying so hard to learn how to BE human again! Though I do get what you mean.

I believe it's a bit more complicated than that. We have many things we're here to do together. One is to help the more complex types who are 'less human feeling' to discover their own unique way of loving and expressing that love. Another is to use the power of imagination and story to share our own multidimensional history, healing a cycle of violence with unconditional love. That's pretty amazing, I have to say.

It's taken me awhile to believe it, even though the signs were always there; I just couldn't accept them. I wanted so much to heal my twin ray somehow, through love and acceptance. I couldn't believe that there was anyone on earth who can love you as completely and profoundly as your twin flame does. But I understand now. My twin ray helped me finally be prepared; he and my husband forced me to BE myself again, so that when my boyfriend saw that I was truly ready, we were finally able to legitimately 'begin'.

posted June 18, 2015 03:34 AM            

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Aubyanne, man, a polyamourous relationship AND chiron aspects?! I don't think I'm thick-skinned enough to handle all the risks of that. Not judging, just an observation. More power to ya.

Athenegoddess, sorry to hear that. Now I know what you mean about having the Venus and Chrion aspected negatively. I guess a conjunct isn't all that positive with all those squares in the mix.

Despite all the scary stuff I'm learning, I think I'm gonna go for it anyway. Wish me luck!

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Oh, Cosmiq, don't NOT go for it. Don't EVER do that based on some bad aspects. Or tricky ones.

My boyfriend's MARS is 0° conjunct my PLUTO in the homicidal degrees. We've likely killed each other bunches, but here, we're almost TOO polite and TOO respecting of each other. It's all relative.

I say, be aware, and when it starts getting goofy (and it always does with a conjuncted point) remember to be more loving, compassionate, gentle, and understanding than you normall would be. Defuse that sucker. Kill it with kindness!

Truth is, conjunctions are major karma we're working out in this lifeline at this time. So CHIRON conjunctions are painful, karmic wounds. That's why we've got to stay aware. That's all.

posted June 18, 2015 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
I'm slowly starting to dive a little bit into Magi astrology. I know it can be a polarizing subject for people. However, I'm intrigued by a certain aspect, when someone's Chiron conjuncts another's Venus.

Apparently, it's a true love/marriage aspect and blossoms from the healing of past wounds through love. Chiron takes on the role as the "wounded healer", while Venus is healed and saved.

My Chiron conjuncts a woman's Venus exactly.

Anyone here with personal experience or anything to add knowledge-wise?

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posted June 18, 2015 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Good luck; go get 'er, tiger.

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Thanks, Aubyanne. Aspects be damned! A psychic once old me I have a "heart of a lion".

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Originally posted by NikiVenus6:
I don't to wish to scare you or sadden you but this aspect is a very delicate one. It can cause immense pain to the Venus person if the other good aspects are not present. Chiron wounds never heal and where it touches it can hurt the other person although initially it will look very pretty. So, check if there are any good moon, Jupiter aspects then you can have a better healing relationship.

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Thanks NikiVenus. I noticed your reply to my other thread comparing our charts. On top of the trines, we've got Venus conjunct moon, Venus conjunct Pluto, mercury conjunct moon, mercury conjunct Pluto, Venus conjunct ascendant, mars trine Venus both ways...etc

posted June 21, 2015 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Thanks NikiVenus. I noticed your reply to my other thread comparing our charts. On top of the trines, we've got Venus conjunct moon, Venus conjunct Pluto, mercury conjunct moon, mercury conjunct Pluto, Venus conjunct ascendant, mars trine Venus both ways...etc

I feel as though she's attracted to me, but has walls/defenses up. She's been hurt twice in the past that I know of. Plus, she's a moon in Scorpio. Putting me through tests like I'm in school or something! I have good intentions, but not sure how to prove it to her yet.

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Hey, sorry I didn't realize that. I am quite new over here, so just getting around. Anyways, see the thing is that Chiron is has a BDD air to it. Suppose it conjuncts asc in synastry, there is a possibility more than often that the Asc person suffers from a "Body Complex" he/she may feel that they don't measure up. Initially, this will be the feeling of the Chiron person who will end up transferring it to the very confident ASC person.

So, as venus is a love planet. It is likely that she feels a "deja vu" situation in this relationship. Therefore, she will protect herself from getting hurt again. A moon is scorpio is least one to "give in". You will have to been patient. You have a lot of pluto in your relationship so it will not be a smooth calm affair. Don't make attempts to make her feel at "ease" instead try going with the flow and moving forward with her. It will assure her more than anything else.

posted June 21, 2015 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Ok, so adding my 2 cents here...lol. I'm a Scorpio moon chick and yes, very cautious about who I share what with, if you get my drift. I don't think you should not tell her what you feel in your heart. Scorpio moons can detect bs from a mile away, but they also crave some type of drama in their lives. Deep down she may dream of the person who will rescue her as the damsel in distress, but at the same time, want to show you she can manage things fine on her own. I didn't see your other thread, but from the aspects lists previously in this thread, there's too much compelling energy to not try to work towards connection with her.

Bottom line is to not subdue your passion towards her and the merging of this relationship. Venus/chiron conjunctions can cut deep, but just imagine the reward for working through those past hurts. You might just have come together to help her rise above past hurts and feel a deep sense of honor for being a part of that.

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Thanks, llewsacm. I really liked what you said. I've never had better synastry with anyone else before.

She likes me, I can tell (she's always complimenting my looks). But I think she suspects I'm a player or insincere (her past boyfriends were). I feel if I express my passions (venus in scorpio), it may be too strong and she'll think it's bs. But at the same time, I don't want to be too light either.

My last relationship was with another Scorpio moon girl, lasted 3 years. However, she didn't have as much baggage as this new girl. I was hurt very bad when we broke up, so I guess I am potentially the "wounded healer".

I wanna be her knight in shining armor! I can just see inside her heart and tell she's sad. Here's the other thread with our placements if you wanna look: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002782.html

posted June 22, 2015 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Thanks NikiVenus. Just go with the flow.

By "not trying to make her feel at ease", do you mean not trying to tell her "I have good intentions" and "I'm not gonna hurt you?" I thought that would mean a lot, but then again, they sound like lines from less sincere people...

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no, I don't think that is good way. I am not a Scorpio moon but I would still suspect the intentions of the man who starts this way. You have come to her to open her wound and to heal it. There is karmic lesson to it. She has to turn more spiritual. The best part is that you realize that you are to heal. So, how would a healer react? He is patient and calm. If you pursue her, she will move back.