posted July 18, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The 5th is about creation, so yes, it could be about creating new life in the form of a child, but it is not limited to that interpretation and manifestation.

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posted July 18, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you Ceri!
I've found some very dramatic aspects between me and my children's father in these charts!

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It could mean children as well. I've noticed some hits between my parents charts between their 5th harmonic charts.

posted July 18, 2015 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
It could mean children as well. I've noticed some hits between my parents charts between their 5th harmonic charts.

My Mother's Mars conjunct my Father's Venus
My father's Mars/NN conjunct my Mother's Venus/MC
My Mother's Asc conjunct my Father's Eros

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Very interesting Ail221, thank you for looking at that! I'm seeing a lot of crossover connections also. Like you I seeing the Mars/Venus connections....funny I forgot to look at NN connections! Da! Lol

posted July 18, 2015 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That just feels so .. limiting.

Perhaps there are links between MOON, CHILD, and other things relating to procreation specifically in your H5s? Otherwise, I'm not seeing the pointed relationship.

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posted July 18, 2015 10:20 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I think children and creativity share the 5th house of astrology and that they also both pertain to the 5th harmonic makes good plain sense to me. I often hear women who have chosen not to have children describing their intentionally putting the procreative energy and life force of their womb into creative projects... Not that creativity of a non-procreative nature must be seen as secondary or instead-of childbearing/raising/conceiving, only that all of these things do operate on a similar frequency..

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posted July 18, 2015 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ooooo... I wanna play too! Just found out asteroid Actor is on my MC Eh? Eh?

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posted July 19, 2015 01:02 AM            

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In your tropical, Yun?

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posted July 19, 2015 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That just feels so .. limiting.

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posted July 19, 2015 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I was married twice...had babies with both. I cannot believe all the tight aspects we have with Jupiter/Uranus/Pluto/Venus and asteroids Child/Kida....creating a human life is creation at it finest.
I do believe this chart could show potential between 2 people to bring to life a child, it is a creation chart and there is no higher form of creation. But I do need to investigate it more throughly.

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posted July 19, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Gabby, you sound like a cult member.

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posted July 19, 2015 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
In my case the biological father is unknown. Your words are better. I would have said something like:
Children are the pooping evidence of a creative act that manifests with a lot of ouch!

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posted July 19, 2015 04:27 PM            

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quote:Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Gabby, you sound like a cult member.

Ummm...wow, thanks. Your words are just amazing!
You sound like a....oh never mind, that would be rude of me!

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posted July 20, 2015 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
It's up to each individual to define their life purpose, assuming they're smart enough to realize the power they have over their existence, strong enough to claim it and they have the need for purpose in the first place.

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posted July 20, 2015 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm sorry it feels limiting to you Aubyanne, of course 5th harmonic is not limited to procreation just as the 5th house has meanings other than just procreation...this is just one manifestation of the energy given off through this harmonic.

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Exactly. If that's your goal, then it's a wonderful goal to have. You might say that while I do appreciate children, and the bond between mother and child, I had one objective here: to reconnect with my daughter from another lifeline; not to have children of my own. I think I may be part of a pioneering trend that respects the procreative mission while not having it on my agenda to fulfil it. As such, I'm not purely 'childless' and don't carry that energy. But I'm also not seeking to 'create my own'. My creations are of my mind and soul.

So I do certainly have some strong links between the H5 with my boyfriend, and a part of our objective is creativity and exploration in many forms -- artistically, as well as psychosexuality. So I'm thinking that there will be other specific links from H5 to H5 when the energy is specifically biologically procreative.

posted July 20, 2015 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Yes, and though I am kind of joking, it is really no surprise... When I was younger I was all about the stage... I'm not the most photogenic though I'm afraid, more of a play actor really I think... Street performance sometimes. I play music for people too, gets pretty dramatic (and raw) sometimes! But still agreeable somehow I think (Venus in Libra (and BML )

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That's awesome! His ACTOR is 0° conjunct his MC, too. Mine, curiously, is in my 3H and dominated by several influences: DESTINN, EROS, LEWISCARROLL, AMBROSIA among them. And sextile my 12H VENUS, and ASC.

posted July 20, 2015 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly. If that's your goal, then it's a wonderful goal to have. You might say that while I do appreciate children, and the bond between mother and child, I had one objective here: to reconnect with my daughter from another lifeline; not to have children of my own. I think I may be part of a pioneering trend that respects the procreative mission while not having it on my agenda to fulfil it. As such, I'm not purely 'childless' and don't carry that energy. But I'm also not seeking to 'create my own'. My creations are of my mind and soul.

So I do certainly have some strong links between the H5 with my boyfriend, and a part of our objective is creativity and exploration in many forms -- artistically, as well as psychosexuality. So I'm thinking that there will be other specific links from H5 to H5 when the energy is specifically biologically procreative.

Otherwise, to me, it's simply creativity; as Ceri said: the spark.

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I can totally see that!!
I will try to steer my children away from having children, not because I don't want them to have children but if it's going to happen it will, no stopping it. But I really want my kids to put all there energy into finding their own path, creating things that give them more freedom instead of limiting them.
Children are amazing if that's your path. I've done that and im very happy with my creation. I love and adore my kids.
Spending all my time raising them I never got to be creative in the other ways possible, I think I went to far into identifying myself as mom and nothing else. I lost much of my personal identity.
I envy your freedom to do what you want, go where you want to go and change on a whim if that's what your spirit moves you to do. You can let your creativity flow and express yourself in ways that others can't. But yet you DO have children, in a way that still allows you some amount of freedom......so you've got the best of both worlds!

posted July 20, 2015 11:48 AM            

Gabby, Anomalia -- both of you to your corners, now. We're going to approach this calmly and logically.

I understand both of your points. I think this whole unintentional wound reopening could have been prevented with the inclusion of subjectivity at the outset. Starting a sentence or thought with 'I believe' is practically magical in its diplomatic ability.

We must all always remember that our perceptions are all that guide us, regardless of how we interpret their doing so. Blanket statements can offend, or at the very least, annoy, anyone with the potential to have greater stake in the subject's content. When we invest emotionally, we have the means to be hurt. It doesn't matter who does the harm, or how.

Anomalia, that's a sensitive subject. I understand what you were intending to get across; you could have done so with gentility rather than an effort to provoke. Please be considerate in your approach. If you're intending to say that someone is being myopic or domineering in their opinion (asserting it as fact) please do so compassionately.

Gabby, you need to take some time to cool down so that you can reasses the situation with a clear head. Then you'll need to apologise to Anomalia for resorting to ad hominem attacks in an effort to invalidate her argument -- and her. I know you'll see that in time, given the inherent fairness and justice embodied by VENUS (or anything) in Libra.