posted July 14, 2015 03:04 PM            

For me the 5th harmonic chart and aspects (quintile and biquintile) relate to CREATION, or more so the CREATIVE SPARK, creating something new. Interestingly it brings the number of woman and man together (sais David Hamblin at least).

Apart from that to me it has this almost dance-like quality, magical, playful, sometimes excessively so, this feeling you get when you are falling in love almost. I find it hard to describe. curiosity and intrigue, which then leads you to explore new things and create something new.

also, while I think that the 5th house is the creative SPARK, the ignition of the idea, I was wondering if the decile actually might relate to the manifesting and realizing it in the xternal world. do something with that creative spark, anchor it in the HEre and know, getting productive with it.
In the 5th harmonic chart the decile would come up as opposition, introducing the other to the quintile magic.

That are my thoughts.

posted July 14, 2015 04:26 PM            

I`d suggest using about 5-7 degree orb for conjunctions in the 5th harmonic chart, and maybe 3 degrees for oppositions (5 degree conjunctions in H5 relate to 1 degree orb for quintiles in the natal chart). other aspects I would keep to 1-2 degree orb in the 5th harmonic chart.

and in looking at the 5th harmonic chart only the aspectgestalt matters, so no signs nor houses, though I might go soft on this one

posted July 14, 2015 04:48 PM            

For example the opposition in H5 relates to a natal decile. The trine in H5 is actually a 15th harmonic aspect. the square in H5 is a 20th harmonic aspects and so on.

Nevertheless we can apply the usual meaning of the aspects to the NATURE OF THE H5, which means that squares in that chart might show where we strive to accomplish something creatively in the real world, where we pour most energy into this but also where we might face challenges.
Trines in the H5 might show an ease and where things flow smoothly etc.

posted July 14, 2015 05:29 PM            

1. Sun-Mercury: this one we can forget about, as it simply reflects my natal conjunction.

2. Uranus-DESC: Now THAT one completely blew my mind when I saw it!
And yes I checked it; Uranus IS biquintile my DESC with an orb of 0°18 in the natal chart.

3. Venus - Juno: yes, it is a quintile between those two, though with a widish orb
orb: 1°09

4.
a)MC - true Lilith:
biquintile with an orb of 0°21

b) MC- Vertex
quintile; orb: 1°29

c) Vertex true Lilith:
biquintile: 109

d) Eros - true Lilith:
biquintile: 138

e) Vertex - Eros
scratch that - they are conjunct natally

Those are pretty widish anyway

5. Saturn-NN-Neptune
a) Neptune-NN
we do not have to think about too much, they are conjunct

b) Saturn- NN:
biquintile: 0°48

c) Saturn - Neptune:
biquintile: 1°01

Interestingly SAturn is ALSO biquintile Psyche 1°05

If Saturn is biquintile Neptune and Saturn is biquintile Psyche, and NEptune (or NN) is NOT conjunct Psyche, it follows that there MUST be a triangle with Saturn opposing the direct midpoing between Psyche and Neptune. though it oculd be slightly out of orb.

Well in this instance however,

Neptune/Psyche: 16°59 Capricorn
Saturn 16°57 Cancer

Wow, I never evenr ealized that! lol

Since my Psyche is closely conjunct my mean Lilith, I also have

Neptune/Lilith 17°13 Capricorn
Saturn 16°57 Cancer

those are of course resonating with the 5th harmonic, as Saturn is biquintile Neptune and Lilith.

6.Moon - Mars
a very close quintile, orb: 0°04

those are the ones becoming the "anchors" for my 5th harmonic:

Uranus- DESC
Moon-Mars
Saturn-Neptune and Saturn-NN
Venus-Juno
MC-BML-Vertex(Eros)

I put the first two in bold because
a) they are the closest
b) they involve either an angle or a luminary.

Why did the Uranus-DESC blow my mind, and actually the Moon-Mars as well?

Apart from thementioned reasons, Uranus and Moon are BOTH unaspected in my chart (ptolemaic aspects).
Having them in such a tight 5th harmonic aspect, probably sais a lot about some quirkiness on my behalf, and especially in terms of Uranus-DESC my instant thought was: no relationship unless it is fun, creative, magical, carefree.
and possibly electric, shocking, a bolt from the blue, breaking up boundaries etc.
(Hey Leeloo, come on say, it I KNOW you want to say it, you WANT to Mention this mysterious elusive Mr Aqua, don`t you? )

I wonder though, what is tha Mercury doing up there, at the peak of that T-square (yes I am using the ASC in that instance, too, but even if I did not, I would still think about that Uranus-Mercury-square).

There are no real aspects in the natal between Mercury and DESC or Mercury and Uranus; of course no direct midpoints either. Though it looks like Mercury is on the midpoint between Uranus and ASC, we have to keep i mind this is the 5th harmonic chart, so it would need to be a quintile, biquintile or even decile.
Which in fact it is.

Mercury is decile my Uranus/ASC-mp with an orb of just 9 minutes.

Now I know of course that only direct midpoints are really counted, but I wanted to figure out why it looked so much like a midpoint

Now that Mercury there, in square to uranus on the DESC - I supose it relates to Mercurial kind of electric spark, communicating, writing, talking, even acting.
Well if I have any kind of creativity, then it surely expresses in such a way, so that seems true for me.
hmm, sort of reminds me of electronics, too, though that is not relateable to my own life.
Maybe I would seek these qualities, especially the uranian ones, outside though, with the connection to DESC.

the Moon-Mars one looks spicy actually. and enthusiastic. However even though it is part of this intriguing aspect figurre, I do think it`s incomplete on its own.
Just a hunch, but I think it might need a decile (or an opposition in the H5) for the ideas and saprks to have actual results in the real world (which I feel is a job of oppositions and maybe even squares in that chart).

Nevertheless with the trine to Jupiter, that wallowing in whatever fuels my emotional fire, might be a real source of joy to me.

just as a start.

posted July 14, 2015 11:44 PM            

His MARS conjunct my PLUTO (2°)
His PLUTO conjunct my MARS (0°45)

Wow!

posted July 15, 2015 03:07 AM            

The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.
Keywords for the quintile are beauty, love, magic.
Gift.
Bringing together of male and female.
The couple as The creative solution. (between the two planets involved).
There is an undercurrent of almost magic with the quintile, and over time the relationship grows stronger deeper, gradually transforming both people, so that over time their compatibility grows.
If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.
5th harmonic in synastry could be an intense, passionate relationship connection. There could be a intellectual bond with each other. They can bring about transformation in each other's lives. They can express creativity with each other. This can be a romantic connection. This can produce children which are the ultimate creations that 2 people together bring about. Decile is 10th harmonic aspect but also a semiquintile and so also related to 5th harmonic aspect. This could be about supporting involving career, working with each other, and help bring order and structure as well as creativity, romance, children with each other.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 15, 2015 03:28 AM            

The Sun/Mercury t square must make you a very special, highly Uranian partner, very creative in this respect, isn't Mercury your DSC ruler? Mercury and higher octave Uranus meeting under the Q electrifying energy on the ASC/DSC axis. It also shows a specific attraction for electrifying creative partners: artists. Mr Aqua lurking around here, as you say hehe.

Moon quintile Mars must bring the hotness of this aspect: expressing emotions, passion, intensity to a level of playfulness, fun, creativity, charm, the rough side of this aspect disappears. I also read this makes one a highly skilled motivator for other people, using emotions and magical references (Moon) as a vehicle for inspiring others. Based on the other aspects, it could even be related to your job as a teacher. I also think this aspect gives potential for intense physical passion and most likely, some sort of fertility in this respect. I believe it is a very interesting aspect for an Aquarius Moon, it may make one "burn" emotionally, like a fire bird, when passion ignites this Moon. No wonder it is in Leo, at least symbolically. You may even experience actual fever or intense blushing and a very pleasant feeling and the need to express and create when your Moon is activated like this.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 15, 2015 04:11 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
What became immediately apparent to me, Ceri, was the dual-aspect resonance:

His MARS conjunct my PLUTO (2°)
His PLUTO conjunct my MARS (0°45)

Wow!

I know we have it in our tropical synastry, with his MARS to my PLUTO, but this is fascinating.

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I suppose one is made of the natal conjunction and the other belonging to the quintile family?

posted July 15, 2015 04:35 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ail221:

I definitely feel that my Mercury/Uranus and Moon/Uranus aspects save me on my last minute projects for work.

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Are those 5th harmonic aspects, or is one made of a nahtal conjunction?

posted July 15, 2015 04:35 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My favorite LL Q quote, applied to synastry; posting it here for reference, when the time for synastry comes:

[b]The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.
Keywords for the quintile are beauty, love, magic.
Gift.
Bringing together of male and female.
The couple as The creative solution. (between the two planets involved).
There is an undercurrent of almost magic with the quintile, and over time the relationship grows stronger deeper, gradually transforming both people, so that over time their compatibility grows.
If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.
5th harmonic in synastry could be an intense, passionate relationship connection. There could be a intellectual bond with each other. They can bring about transformation in each other's lives. They can express creativity with each other. This can be a romantic connection. This can produce children which are the ultimate creations that 2 people together bring about. Decile is 10th harmonic aspect but also a semiquintile and so also related to 5th harmonic aspect. This could be about supporting involving career, working with each other, and help bring order and structure as well as creativity, romance, children with each other.

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posted July 15, 2015 04:58 AM            

"
The Sun/Mercury t square must make you a very special, highly Uranian partner,"
I think that`s true.
and probably adding more uranian vibrations to my Aquarius-Moon, and my peregrine Uranus, which is quite exposed on 1 Scorpio and exact on the cusp of the 11th house. At least Ifeel he is rather prominent, despite being unaspected, and dspite being not connected to the main angles, but in HIS sphere (the 11th house apparently) he certainly demands attention.

Interestingly the only aspect to the DESC, that is closer than the quintile to Uranus, is a novile to Saturn with an orb of just 6 minutes.

"isn't Mercury your DSC ruler? "
Yes, I noticed that, too. how my DESC-ruler sort of ends up in this prominent place in the H5.

"It also shows a specific attraction for electrifying creative partners: artists."
I think you`re right.
And as you know, while I have not met a male Aquarius (yet - I mean, never say never, right? ), who made my heart skip in the magical quintile way, a rather strong Uranian vibe IS wished for. hehe.
I also noticed that my attention seems to be strongly drawn to men who, while not Aquarians, have a lot of Aquarius in their progressions, which of course fits; after all my own progressed chart has Sun, Mercury and Venus in Aquarius, with Moon in Leo. So no wonder this axis would get my attention in the current timeframe. Probably it is just time for the natal promise to come to the forefront.

"Moon quintile Mars must bring the hotness of this aspect:"
that has always been the thing. I have never considered myself an exuberant, temperamanetal, extrovert being, as this placement seems to indicate. the 5th harmonic is not an introvert harmonic.
but with just 8 minutes of orb, it certainly is part of my innermost being (or not valid at all. lol).

Nevertheless I can see where the entusiasm comes into play, and the need for excitement, and emotional passion as well. There is almost nothing worse to me than being bored or not having a little theatrical emotional drama. Just a little. so that it stays entertaining and fuels the imagnation, not the the Plutonic everything goes to sh*t kind of drama though.

"highly skilled motivator for other people, using emotions and magical references (Moon) as a vehicle for inspiring others. Based on the other aspects, it could even be related to your job as a teacher."
Yes, I certainly do that. My poor pupils have to endue my constant references to films and books and mythology, but they seem to understand things better that way, and it is more fun for me.
I`ve also been witnessed to have gotten into a swordfight with a collegue of mine on a day when new pupils (and parents) were visiting our school, and we were to introduce our subjects. And hey, as a latin teacher, swords belong there, right?
the pupils thought it was funny though, and my colleague is just as silly as I am, so it was sort of fitting. Luckily no parents saw that.
(no real swords, of course, just the ones kids are playing with)

"I also think this aspect gives potential for intense physical passion and most likely, some sort of fertility in this respect. I believe it is a very interesting aspect for an Aquarius Moon, it may make one "burn" emotionally, like a fire bird, when passion ignites this Moon."
That is interesting, and I can relate to that.

" No wonder it is in Leo, at least symbolically."
Yes, I know the sign placement should not be considered, as we are just looking at aspects, however I cannot ignore the symbolical Leo-reference either, specially not if we are considering how great my love for the theatre is. I mean how much more fitting can symbolism get?

" You may even experience actual fever or intense blushing and a very pleasant feeling and the need to express and create when your Moon is activated like this."
I never really blush, though.
Anyway I did notice, and it was one of the things that got my attention and keep me intrigued, that I dohave such a response to Mr Sags proximity, a literal physical warming up, which of course might also be due to him radiating an unusual strong bodywarmth, or maybe that is just my impression. lol

It is a curious thing to me, cause I pretty much never, or very very rarely, get even aware of physical reactions like that.
So that response on my side is unusual for me, and every Aquarius-Moon gets really curious about "unusual" things.

posted July 15, 2015 05:49 AM            

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posted July 15, 2015 05:51 AM            

in the 5th harmonic chart

Mozart had the

Sun-Mars-(Mercury)
opposing
Jupiter-Uranus

on the ASC (and NN).

Mr Sag has

Sun-Moon
opposing
Mars-Jupiter-Uranus

posted July 15, 2015 06:11 AM            

Mozart
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Sun biquintile ASC 0°41
Sun biquintile Mars 1°03
Sun tredecile Jupiter 0°52
Sun decile Uranus 0°11

Mars quintile ASC 0°21
Mars tredecile Uranus 0°58
Mars tredecile Jupiter 0°11

ASC decile Jupiter 0°10

Jupiter biquintile Uranus 0°40

Midpoint-configurations

Sun= Mars/ASC 0.53
Mars= Jupiter / Uranus 0.32
Mars = Jupiter/ASC 0.16
Jupiter= Sun/Mars 0.20
Uranus = Sun/Jupiter 0.15 (square)
ASC = Sun/Jupiter 0.16 (square)

Mr Sag
----------------

Moon tredecile Jupiter 0.29
(Moon conjunct Sun 1.41)
(Moon conjunct MC 0.20)
Moon decile Uranus 0.45
Moon tredecile Mars 0.26

Sun tredecile Jupiter 1.12
(Sun conj. MC 1.20)

Mars tredecile MC 0.47
(Mars conjunct Jupiter 0.56)
Mars quintile Uranus 0.18

Jupiter tredecile MC (0.08
Jupiter quintile Uranus 1.14

Uranus decile MC 1.05

midpoints
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Mars = Sun/Uranus 0.55 (square)
Mars = Moon/ Uranus 0.04 (square)
Mars = Uranus/MC 0.15 (square)

Jupiter = Sun/Uranus 0.01 (square)
Jupiter = Moon/Uranus 0.52 (square)
Jupiter = Uranus/MC 0.42 (square)

MC = Sun/MOon 0.30 (conj.)

posted July 15, 2015 06:33 AM            

However, in Mr sag`s case, I suppose no matter what harmonic chrt I am going to look up for him, it will be difficult to find a more dominant one than the 5th harmonic.
This opposition right here including Sun, Moon, MC and Mars, Jupiter, Uranus, including pretty much all the personal planets except for Mercury and Venus. which is interesting.

Anyway it coneects his major natal conjunctions of Sun-Moon- MC and Mars-Jupiter, not in a pure 5th harmonic pattern, but in a 10th harmonic ones. those oppositions in the 5H are indicative of the decile or 10th harmonic family.

He is not only feeling that creative spark but there seems to be quite an urgency and compulsive drive (obsession?) to not only express himselfe creatively, but also to somehow manifest it in the world and possibly share it with others, a bit of a show-off.

and what he shares creatively is a large part of himself, his personality.

Now his Venus and Mercury are left out of this pattern.
But his Mercury is quintile his Saturn with an orb of 0.40.
This is intersting cause Mercury is his main DESC-ruler and Saturn conjuncts his DESC natall exact. You can even see it here, as Saturn is widely conjunct DESC, this is carried over from the natal (of course in the h5 the orb is 5 times greater than in the natal).

This Mercury-Saturn-quintile however seems to relate to his personal relationship pattern, which just supports the natal Saturnian vibe (Venus in Capricorn trine Saturn, Saturn conjunct DESC, DESC in Virgo, ruler of DESC apparently quintile Saturn. lol Saturn sextile Juno)

Here in the 5H chart it becomes part of a minor Grand trine with Pluto and Juno. Nothing new so far.

The other participant not connected to the dominating feature is Venus, and this Venus seems rather intriguing to me.
on the NN and opposing Neptune

Which in the natal appears as

Venus biquintile NN 0.32
Venus deceile Neptune 0.32
Venus decile SN 0.32
Neptune quintile SN 1.04

This MUSST of course relate to a midpoint configuration.

Venus=Neptune/NN 0.00 (square)

I have wondered about that actually before, as those precise aspects and midpoints do tend to get my attention very strongly, but so NOW I know this is related to a quintile/ decile pattern.

Not that this helps my interpretation and figuring out the meaning. lol