posted September 20, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I would have agreed with that but then I found my alma contraparallel Cusp's psyche exact.

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I do have my twin's VALENTINE conjunct my PSYCHE (1º). And while I know that it's not EROS, I've come to prefer it. VALENTINE has an incredibly powerful means of healing pain and clearing negative karma through diligence and unconditional love. PSYCHE is another one of those deeply wounded parts of ourselves, but, unlike CHIRON, she can be healed.

posted September 20, 2015 02:48 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Really? Are they conjunctions?

Also, I'm not so sure about the Black Hole theory. I've got them everywhere. So does he. Our SUNs, MOONs, my VENUS, his MARS ...

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There are quite many black holes, as per this list I found, so I guess it will not be so rare to have something on a bh.
Nevertheless it seems that certain areas in space are more emphasized (at least as of to our current knowledge).

posted September 20, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There are quite many black holes, as per this list I found, so I guess it will not be so rare to have something on a bh.
Nevertheless it seems that certain areas in space are more emphasized (at least as of to our current knowledge).

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Not that it wouldn't make sense! If anything, we may be able to give greater consideration to those which are the tightest. For example, my MOON's is 1º closer than my SUN's, but his MOON's is the reverse -- with the 1º to his SUN, and the 2º to his MOON.

posted September 20, 2015 02:53 PM            

Do you have conjunctions between these soulmate pairings? And which ones do you have?

posted September 20, 2015 02:57 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Some knew the truth -- very close friends. And then, when they met him, they knew.

Incredibly surreal.

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Honestly though - there was no way to NOT know! And I never met him, but just by the way you wrote about him (I remember one or two emails in particular), by how much everything between and inside the lines vibrated and sparkled (I cannot find really words for it), and then you claimed to not be in love with him, that you weren`t twins, and it confused me sooo much!

It was like looking into a silvery-golden-pink sparkling whirl and pointing it out to you, and you responding:"Actually it`s grey-blue. Can`t you see?"

And I was staring into that sparkling pink and violet, and struggling, really struggling to make it look grey-blue, but it just wouldn`t!

posted September 20, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I would have agreed with that but then I found my alma contraparallel Cusp's psyche exact.

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So, it sounds like a soul link, right? ALMA (soul) and PSYCHE (soul)? The contraparallel is interesting, because it must be resolved through someone else, rather than internally. Lessons that we're being tested over, to ensure they're learnt.

posted September 20, 2015 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Honestly though - there was no way to NOT know! And I never met him, but just by the way you wrote about him (I remember one or two emails in particular), by how much everything between and inside the lines vibrated and sparkled (I cannot find really words for it), and then you claimed to not be in love with him, that you weren`t twins, and it confused me sooo much!

It was like looking into a silvery-golden-pink sparkling whirl and pointing it out to you, and you responding:"Actually it`s grey-blue. Can`t you see?"

And I was staring into that sparkling pink and violet, and struggling, really struggling to make it look grey-blue, but it just wouldn`t!

I am glad that my perception wasn`t so far off after all! lol

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Nope! Not off in the slightest bit. But I was appropriately terrified. Either, I would have to reorient my life in very dramatic ways, find incredible compromises, or be (quite possibly) permanently heartbroken. Or, worse -- everything I thought I knew about everything could be disproved in a single moment were he to tire of me, as all human beings slowly fall out of infatuation, and I wasn't shiny anymore, and we were hardly any more 'special' than anyone else, it was all in my head and some bizarre coincidence to ultimately teach me to live in reality -- lesson I should've learnt back in 2010, when I'd resolved to do so.

We spoke of it late last month, actually. It was an interesting conversation. I'd said that I met him during a very unusual period in my life, to which he responded, 'has any period of your life ever been usual?' Touche! To which, I must be honest: no. Not really.

But then I told him the truth of how I was thisclose to 'growing up'; letting go of the fantasies that filled my head for so long about how exceptional my life was going to be, because I'd been earmarked to do big things, and have a fire in my soul that can't be extinguished -- or so, only I could be the one to put it out. That, just before I met him, as a part of my becoming engaged, I was letting it all go and resolving to be a real grown-up now.

And he said, 'But that sounds awful. Why would anybody want to do that? It's a good thing you met me when you did.'

And I paused, laughed, thought of just how much I truly love him -- that I can barely fit it into words, reflected on the sheer impossibility of it all, and yet, the undeniable truth.

And I said, yes, while he was a tad late, it was also, absolutely, just the right time. Yes, both can equally apply.

posted September 20, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I would stick with the original markers, Sun/Moon, Pluto/Venus, Mars/Venus, Psyche/Eros/Amor/Cupido(s),
Pluto/Persephone/Proserpina, Jupiter/Juno/Themis, Uranus/Gaea, Saturn/Rhea, Isis/Osiris, Siva/Kaali/Parvarti....etc
I do love these to...

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PSYCHE 16
EROS 433
AMOR 1221
CUPIDO 763
PERSEPHONE 399
PROSERPINA 26
THEMIS 24
GAEA 1184
RHEA 577
ISIS 42
OSIRIS 1923
SIVA 1170
KAALI 4227
PARVATI 2847

16, 433, 1221, 763, 399, 26, 24, 1184, 577, 42, 1923, 1170, 4227, 2847

I don't know what to make of my results since I'm not clear on the myths:

Psyche/Eros/Amor/Cupido(s)
My Eros 2 Aqua
His Eros 2 Leo
His Cupido 3 Sag

Pluto/Persephone/Proserpina
My Persephone 29.04 Scorpio
His Proserpina 2.36 Gemini

Too wide.

Jupiter/Juno/Themis
Nothing

Uranus/Gaea
Nothing

Saturn/Rhea
Nothing

But individually we both have this in aspect: he has a wide opposition and I have a quincunx.

Isis/Osiris
Nope

Siva/Kaali/Parvarti
Nothing.

But wow, his Kaali 16.01 Sag
My Mars 16.01 Gemini
My Jupiter 16.01 Aries

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Soul pairing-
Psyche(16) and Alma(390) both words mean soul but Psyche is more masculine and Alma is the feminine part of the soul, yin/yang.

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His Psyche 20.53 Leo
My Alma 24.49 Leo

My Psyche 7.57 Gemini
His Alma 10.45 Libra

Well if they were PLANETS they would count

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Twin couple-Nerthus 601/ Njord 4213

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Nothing.

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Sootiyo is Hopi for Star Boy
Soomana is Hopi for Star Girl
2432 Soomana
2433 Sootiyao

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Nothing but....Sootiya is conjunct my Saturn, 0.02 orb.

posted September 20, 2015 03:21 PM              

glad you joined the thread.

"Do you mean all of these must be present, as a set?"
Surprisingly they were!

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His sun opposing my moon
His moon possibly trine my sun "
Sun-Moon, possibly as DW.

"My Mars trine his Mars and Venus"
check

"My Saturn possibly squaring his moon"
Check.

So the primary pairings are present, as direct aspects.

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His Venus square my sun
His Mars on the solstice point of my moon, if that counts?"
I am sure it does, though I have not checked it for the synastries. But solstice points are major, though "flying under the radar" (orb must be very close though. 1°30 at most)

"3) Saturn in aspect to Venus and/or Mars

Nothing major. My Saturn is quintile his Mars though (72 degrees exactly.) His Saturn widely sextile my Mars, if 3.55 orb counts. Somehow I think it doesn't..."
Nope those do not count, at least those were not the parameters I checked.
(of course saturn quintile Mars is important in terms of how energies interact, I simply did not include it in my check-up)

what I DID include though, and somehow I think you missed that, are the parallels and contraparallels with one degree orb.

my friend and her husband have a Saturn-Venus-contraparallel, so maybe you do, too.
Theirs is almost 1 degree though, so either yours might be out of orb, or closer. lol

Nevertheless I find it intriguing that the parallel or contraparallel between Venus and Saturn showed up rather frequently.

For example:
Pierre and Marie Curie: contraparallel
my brother and his gf: parallel
Paul Newman and his wife: parallel
my friend and her husband: contraparallel

"But you mentioned Jupiter aspects so I will throw in some parallels:"
Yes, though I did not include them or check them thorougly, I do think Jupiter aspecting the relationship-planets can be a real blessing, even in a square (though it can lead to exaggerations)

"His Mars 4.32 S
His Venus 4.34 S
My Jupiter 5.07 N

My Venus 19.24 S1
His Jupiter 19.18 N"

I love that.

It also gives you a Venus-Mars-aspect with Jupiter as catalyst. Wanna guess who has that as well?

Nevertheless, even the best of synastry can not guarantee success, if the timing is not right, or one person is not ready for the kind of relationship that is indicated in the synastry.

For example, if I really seek only a fling, but stumble across someone with whom I share the deepest, soulconsuming, committed relationship, I might give it a pass, because it is simply not what I am seeking at that time (though me giving it a pass might come back haunting my dreams later, or my waking life even, and making me sing songs like the one I posted some days ago. )

posted September 20, 2015 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Lol, that clothes thing would be a little creepy!! Haha...it's kind of cute though!

We had several ppl tell us when we were together it actually seemed like we were lit up, like e both glowed. Once person said, you guys light up like a Christmas tree whenever your near each other.
Now that I understand about energy I bet we did make each other's aura expand and brighten.
On our first date we went to this little diner after we'd went out, we were the only ppl there, it was storming and the lights went out. The ppl working lit candles for us and we ate by candle light, so cute!
One time when someone commented on our "glowing" he tould me "that's why the lights went out on us, we don't need lights we make our own"
We had a lot of inside jokes about getting killed due to our high electric charge together, like we were at a higher risk of getting electrocuted or something when we were together. Lol...he said he needed lightening gloves around me!
Funny thing is, we did get a lot of static electricity around each other. Maybe that was his Uranus on my AC exact and my Uranus opposed his Sun exact. Hmmmm?

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Wonderful story.

Sounds like you got each other's chakras going?

posted September 20, 2015 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
And that's my karmic soulmate. To a 'T'. So, you can imagine my TOTAL confusion in this area.

Over time, I've come to accept that it's just an indicator of being extremely close soul-family. What I refer to as 'my fraternal twin brother'. We both came from the same stuff, and there we are.

My twin, on the other hand, is akin to a hermaphrodite born with two distinct personalities. We're the same. There are no 'similarities' insofar as we are the same energy that oscillates its expression. There's no gradation. It's just the same frequency of operation.

It was through this understanding that I was, actually, able to relate more effectively with both my twin and my karmic soulmate.

Now, Gabby, I'm not saying your having the same experience that I've had with my karmic soulmate, but with your twin, discounts that he's your twin. I'm merely saying it shouldn't be taken as a defining feature, as it can be experienced in extremely close soul-family.

In fact, I share this with my two nearest soul-sisters, too. We have an incredible empathic link, too. Two of us look alike, except that she's a blue-eyed blonde and I'm a brown-eyed brunette, but we could be sisters for how much we look alike in facial features, mannerism, and even our voices have the same timbre. The other is a whole other 'version' of me, (and she's her soul-sister, too) to whom I feel more closely related at our core. Same personality, a lot of the same life choices; we have the same demeanor. The blonde is the baby, though; we're the older sisters.

Truthfully, I'm the oldest, born in October, with the blonde in November, and the other brunette in December. Oh, hey, you guys actually know her -- Blind writer. For example, we're both astrologers -- independently -- but the blonde isn't -- though she's always been very naturally psychic. It's through Blind writer that I received the information about Guardian Soulmates, actually. She independently confirmed it. We do that a lot with each other.

It gets confusing.

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I don't know what to say about all the labels we are putting on anyone and everyone.....to me it's overwhelming.
Ppl are ppl, some I love, some amazing and some impact me more than others.
I don't need or want to define them or label them. They are each meaningful and impact me in one way or another. I just want to enjoy them and go with the flow, no labeling except the ones I can't deny their massive importance. I just don't need that much control over everything.
I'll casually identify ppl but I'm not going to go to deep, if I did I would lose some joy and the spontaneity in the relationship that makes me happy.
But that just the difference between ppl, probably all my saggy creates my need to just let go and feel life without labeling it too much.

posted September 20, 2015 03:24 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That is the key, right there. Nothing should ever diminish the experiences we've had with these people, and labelling it can sometimes do a greater disservice than anything. .

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posted September 20, 2015 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That is the key, right there. Nothing should ever diminish the experiences we've had with these people, and labelling it can sometimes do a greater disservice than anything. That's why I find myself in a catch-22. On the one hand, I'm supposed to find my twin flame, yet, on the other, all signs point to this man being something so otherworldly in the way that our 'relationship' has been for the past 15 years (or more) that I'm not sure what else fits.

And, I appreciate that, Faith. It's a sticky wicket; a real balancing act. I want to find answers, but not discount (or contribute) to what could cause others to discount their experiences when it doesn't 'match up'.

I myself now know the dangers of creating such methodology, not fitting that methodology, and -- thank God -- I trusted myself overall, or I'd be somewhere else than where I am right now, and wondering if I was supposed to take a left at Albuquerque.

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Thank you for clarifying. Yes, I think you outlined the dilemma precisely.

Fortunately for me, I'm not in any danger of falling in love with anyone new, so all this art is purely and safely speculative (and retrospective!) How scary if it was happening in real time, with someone I was just falling in love with!

posted September 20, 2015 03:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Not that it wouldn't make sense! If anything, we may be able to give greater consideration to those which are the tightest. For example, my MOON's is 1º closer than my SUN's, but his MOON's is the reverse -- with the 1º to his SUN, and the 2º to his MOON.

So my 'lunar' BH energy would be strongest, as would his 'solar' BH energy. Same with VENUS and MARS. My VENUS is 1º, and his MARS is exact. Funny, I thought, for an asexual. But then I wonder how many sex researchers also have BH MARS? A powerful force and drive to explore sex, regardless of orientation or desire.

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I like the Yin-Yang-interplay. And I agree, that the closest "wins".

For me those that my planets fall exact on are:

Mars
NN
Moon
true BML
true Priapus

posted September 20, 2015 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I do have my twin's VALENTINE conjunct my PSYCHE (1º). And while I know that it's not EROS, I've come to prefer it. VALENTINE has an incredibly powerful means of healing pain and clearing negative karma through diligence and unconditional love. PSYCHE is another one of those deeply wounded parts of ourselves, but, unlike CHIRON, she can be healed.

Which is why our dual-conjunctions of PSYCHE and MADHATTER, both 0º, are no longer mysterious to me. His tropical 7H conjunction of MELETE-ANTEROS-REQUIEM-VALENTINE-MADHATTER, with KAALI-RUDRA (all within 5º -- the initial stellium 2º, the KAALI-RUDRA 2º as well) makes perfect sense as well, that there was a 'marker' which was personal to us, being that it involves my maiden name, ANTEROS, VALENTINE, and REQUIEM.

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posted September 20, 2015 03:41 PM            

Wow I am not getting ANYTHING done today, just being on the computer! LOL

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Faith,

glad you joined the thread.

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Ah, thank you ~ well the company is irresistable!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my friend and her husband have a Saturn-Venus-contraparallel, so maybe you do, too.
Theirs is almost 1 degree though, so either yours might be out of orb, or closer. lol

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His Saturn 17.44 N
My Venus 19.24 S

Yes a little wide.

His Saturn 12.06 Leo, my Venus 6.35 Sag. I guess I should count that, as it's under 6 degrees. Did I forget to count that?

*checks*

Yes I forgot to count that!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It also gives you a Venus-Mars-aspect with Jupiter as catalyst. Wanna guess who has that as well?

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Who? Our doppelganger couple? =) Or you and The Man?

I don't know what you mean by catalyst though?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
For example, if I really seek only a fling, but stumble across someone with whom I share the deepest, soulconsuming, committed relationship, I might give it a pass, because it is simply not what I am seeking at that time (though me giving it a pass might come back haunting my dreams later, or my waking life even, and making me sing songs like the one I posted some days ago.

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*big smile*

posted September 20, 2015 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
tgem,

Do you have conjunctions between these soulmate pairings? And which ones do you have?

Bear in mind, for 'TF work', I've never considered cross-pairing. For soulmate work, definitely. But to adhere strictly to the theory, they can ONLY be aspects between the decided-upon pairs, within orb, and preferably conjunction -- especially in composite.

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posted September 20, 2015 03:49 PM            

Bear in mind, for 'TF work', I've never considered cross-pairing. For soulmate work, definitely. But to adhere strictly to the theory, they can ONLY be aspects between the decided-upon pairs, within orb, and preferably conjunction -- especially in composite.[/QUOTE

posted September 20, 2015 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I don't know what to say about all the labels we are putting on anyone and everyone.....to me it's overwhelming.

I know virgo needs to identify and label everything, but when I get like that(virgo moon) I suddenly realize I feel like I'm suffocating myself under all that expectation of total understanding, control and expectation of perfectly making everything come together, which is not possible.

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posted September 20, 2015 03:49 PM              

"But I was appropriately terrified. "
I know.
And I can relate to that.

"But then I told him the truth of how I was thisclose to 'growing up'; letting go of the fantasies that filled my head for so long "
You did?
That is interesting, cause I had JUST resigned myself, back then, some years ago, accepted that while I am having and was going to have a good life, romantic love, or anything coming close to relationship, was not going to be part of my life ever. It was simply a chapter that was closed (though it never had really dis-closed. lol), but I accepted it, it was alright. I had taken myself out of the (social) game, for what reason ever, even by simply NOT making a choice/ a decition but letting life decide FOR me, however it was as it was, and I was okay with it. I was having a pretty good mind, and was a supportive friend, daughter and sister, that was a pretty good thing to be.
I REALLY believed that - and then 2 weeks or so after I very clearly had evaluated this and judged my life like that, I met him.
And from the moment we met (I mean face to face of course, not just him on stage, and me in the audience, but on eye-level ) , it just was clear - and so disconcerting - that he could not read that big sign on my aura that said "closed for business"; it came as such a shock to me to feel so CLEARLY that he did not see me like I saw myself.

and then I went, hid my head in the sand and let life decide for me.
Because that is what I`ve been used to all along.

Don`t respond. Don`t act. Play dead. Do nothing, so you can`t do anything wrong.

Just doing nothing sometimes IS the wrong thing to do.

not in the grand scheme of things of course, but yeah, it was shocking. lol

And I`ve been trying to figure out for years afterwards what it was that pulled me back to him. I did not think I was attracted and no I was nto really thinking in terms of twinflames or soulmates or even thinking about past lives with him, something I used to do even with people I Met in passing.

But with him? No, I really certainly would not go there, not even approach that line of thinking.

And the obsession that started, it wasn`t there from the beginning, or on a different level, but that very clear attraction-scenario, infatuation, whatever, it started really late to be honest, or I accepted it very late in the game. 1st december 2012, that was when I realized.

I even remember the exact moment it happened, he was sitting on stage, singing "More than words" and it was a moment, how I had not experienced them for many many years, when everything around me, time itself, seemed to slow down, and the frequency itself seemed to change, the density somehow changing, yeah, that was when the obsession started I think. Or let`s say when I became aware of it. lol

And that was 4 years after we met. 6 years after I first saw him (though I still suspect we have crossed paths much earlier in this life and I just cannot remember).

posted September 20, 2015 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yep, we do. His eros widely conjunct my psyche, Isis conjunct Osiris in the composite, a lot of parallel/contraparallels with the soulmate pairings. I'd have to go through them all again..but I've done it before and I know they're there.

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Wow. Same I've got with my karmic soulmate, save for it's a trine rather than conjunction. But what always got me were the conjunctions of our Dwads; basically how his EROS Dwad is conjunct my PSYCHE Dwad, and so on. But the ISIS conjunct OSIRIS in the composite (0º), definitely. Along with KAALI-RUDRA, and, I forget the other one off-hand. It's weird how many conjunctions we have in that composite -- or in our synastry, too.

posted September 20, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow. Same I've got with my karmic soulmate, save for it's a trine rather than conjunction. But what always got me were the conjunctions of our Dwads; basically how his EROS Dwad is conjunct my PSYCHE Dwad, and so on. But the ISIS conjunct OSIRIS in the composite (0º), definitely. Along with KAALI-RUDRA, and, I forget the other one off-hand. It's weird how many conjunctions we have in that composite -- or in our synastry, too.

But we had all the soulmate pairings, too -- especially in parallels and contraparallels.

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posted September 20, 2015 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow. Same I've got with my karmic soulmate, save for it's a trine rather than conjunction. But what always got me were the conjunctions of our Dwads; basically how his EROS Dwad is conjunct my PSYCHE Dwad, and so on. But the ISIS conjunct OSIRIS in the composite (0º), definitely. Along with KAALI-RUDRA, and, I forget the other one off-hand. It's weird how many conjunctions we have in that composite -- or in our synastry, too.

But we had all the soulmate pairings, too -- especially in parallels and contraparallels.

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posted September 20, 2015 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly. And, unless it's what you're here to do, there's no use doing it. Alas, pioneers are pioneers -- not because they had a map, but because they learnt how to draw one, so that others may have something to follow in the future. I'm just a glorified cartographer.

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More power to you!! lol