posted September 21, 2015 03:27 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, I did finally explore some of the soulmate pairings with which I was less familiar. Here's what I found:

CAESAR opposite KLEOPATRA (1º)*

*I'm the girl!

Also, he has TUTHMOSIS conjunct HATSHEPSUT (1º) natally. Which I found very interesting. They're out of orb of his VALENTINE stellium, but 7H.

Both his TUTHMOSIS and HATSHEPSUT are trine my TUTHMOSIS -- 2º and 1º respectively.

My HATSHEPSUT is parallel my MOON and conjunct his SNODE (0º). Intriguing.

I have AMENHOTEP is opposite NEFERTITI (0º) in my natal.

His AMENHOTEP is trine my NEFERTITI (0º)

... and I'm the girl! :: arm-pump ::

This also makes our AMENHOTEPs exactly sextile (0º) which is interesting as well.

Though, Ceri, this is an odd bit:

My TRISTAN conjunct his LANCELOT (0º)

His TRISTAN conjunct ISOLDA (2º)

Strange how those two are interconnected. I suppose I'll have to explore that more deeply.

Otherwise, I think that gets me up to speed.

No conjunctions, but some exact trines and 1º oppositions. So, not bad!

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Sounds a little like my composite with "P1"

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synastrically:

my TRISTAN squares my ISOLDA exact
his ISOLDA conjuncts my TRISTAN

At the same time he has got an exact TRISTAN-LANCELOT-conjunction, on 1 Leo, right on my Priapus on 1 leo. lol
and this trines my ISOLDA on 3 Aries, and quinkunx my TRISTAN on 3 Cap and his ISOLDA on 2 Cap.

oh btw his PRIAPUS on 1 Aries is right between my Dejanira on 00 Aries and ISOLDA on 3 Aries.
While my PRIAPUS on 1 Leo is on his TRISTAN exact.

Sometimes this synastry/ composite makes me want to scream my lungs out.
It`s ridiculous!

We both have natally CAESAR conjunct KLEOPATRA, his in Aries, mine in Sag, though his is exact, mine is wide.
Anyway my KLEOPATRA on 22 Sag trines his CAESAR-KLEOPATRA on 22 Aries

his ECHNATON, on 28 Leo, stationary direct, conjuncts his retro Uranus on 26 Leo and his retro OSIRIS On 27 Leo - opposing my NEFERTITI on 27 Aquarius, which is also conjunct my BML of course.

posted September 21, 2015 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
as for the weather-connection, under certain circumstances I seem to attract water.

I remember I was in a mall once on holidays, and suddenly that great rainstorm would crash down, I mean it was like the apokalypse or something like that, and when I left the mall, it was pretty much filled with water, and when I got out I had to wade through the water, that reached up to my knees almost. Just it had ONLY hit the mall and a small circle around, the other streets had remained dry as can be.

lol

Maybe it`s because I nearly drowned as a toddler. Or because my great grandmother and her daughters were missing the ship, the "Gustlof" they were supposed to board on, during the 2nd world war, but they were too late and had to walk across the frozen baltic sea into safety (which was a torturous dangerous route of course).

However they were lucky, as the ship was being sunk, costing more lives than the accident with the Titanic did some years prior to that.

Maybe it`s simply family-water-karma or something like that (my mom`s brother did drown, and my other grandmother lost a brother, too, because he drowned - I drowned but was saved by my dad, my youngest brother drowned, but was pulled out by our middle brother - so we got lucky. well in my case it certainly helped having Angel on the ASC, a conjunction I share with my Dad actually).

But I guess water-karma makes sense for me as well with Poseidon on my ASC and Varuna on my DESC, both under 1 degree.

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posted September 21, 2015 03:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Maybe it's just...As below, so above.

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posted September 21, 2015 03:33 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Wow Ceri!! What a story....where is your asteroid Storm? Is your karma in a water sign?
Mines libra...an air sign in a tight semi-sextile my Uraus/Kaali, kind of makes sense, if we are going there...since electricity is carried through the air! Lol That's halfway a joke!!

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asteroid STORM is on 18 Virgo for me, not doing much, except opposing Juno with 2 degrees, quinkunx Moon with 1-2 degrees and sextile Saturn with 2 degrees.

KARMA is in an Air sign for me, too; 16 Gemini in 7th house, so that`s not it I guess.

posted September 21, 2015 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
asteroid STORM is on 18 Virgo for me, not doing much, except opposing Juno with 2 degrees, quinkunx Moon with 1-2 degrees and sextile Saturn with 2 degrees.

KARMA is in an Air sign for me, too; 16 Gemini in 7th house, so that`s not it I guess.

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Ceri...your Storm is on my Moon exact?! Lol hmmmm....

Is there anything that stands out about your water houses? How are their rulers aspected....compared to Saturn or SN?

posted September 21, 2015 03:50 PM              

my HERTZ (and PHOLUS, opp. my own RUDRA) conjunct his EROS
my ELECTRA (and SPIRIT) conjunct his TESLA
my VULCANO conjunct his PHOLUS on 23 Pisces exact
my VULCANO conjunct his ASC
my OHNO conjuncts his STORM (opposing my KAALI)
my FLOOD conjuncts his Uranus on 23 Scorpio exact
my STORM conjuncts his BML exact
my TESLA (and CIRCE and REIKI) conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp on 27 Sagittarius exact
my TESLA conjunct his Sun and Moon
my TESLA Opposite his EMP

his EMP (on his IC) conjunct my NESSUS
his EMP opposes my Sun, Merucry, TESLA, CIRCE and REIKI
his HERTZ conjunct my DESC and SN, and is closish to my KAALI (in fact it is exactly conjunct my pKaali)
his HERTZ opposite my LUST, Neptune as well
(and his own KAALI)
his WATTS (and PLUNGE) conjunct my PALLAS on 9 Aqua exact
his SPARKS on the midpoint of my Jupiter-Juno, 3 degrees off each
his SPARKER (on his own PSYCHE_PALLAS) conjunct my PSYCHE
his VULCANO opposes my PRIAPUS
(his Vulcano is also exactly conjunct our composite ASC and squaring my Uranus with just one minute of orb)
his OHNO conjunct my Jupiter-CERES, (on his own EROS and opposig his own Mars-Jupiter-AMOR)
his FLOOD (on his own KAALI) conjunct my ASC-LUST exact
his FLOOD also conjuncts my Mars, Neptune, NN
his STORM conjuncts my NN and OHNO, and opposes my KAALI
his TESLA (on his own ARTHUR-CASANOVA-BACCHUS) conjunct my SPIRIT-GUINEVERE-ADELAIDE

posted September 21, 2015 03:55 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ceri...your storms on my Moon exact?! Lol hmmmm....

Is there anything that stands out about your water houses? How are their rulers aspected....compared to Saturn or SN?

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oh yes definitely.

A Thor`s Hammer on the basis of the square from Chiron in 4th house to Vertex-ERos in Cancer in 8th house, and then with the two sesisquares to Mars in 12th house, with Mars ruling 4th house.

apart from that Saturn in Cancer in 8th house of course, in mutual house reception with Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house.

4th house ruler Mars in 12th house conjunct Neptune in 1st house, with the ASC-ANGEL-conjunction on the exact midpoint of that 5 degrees conjunction. Well Atlantis - Poseidon is there as well.

posted September 22, 2015 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Kaali moves pretty fast. Gabby is only 6 weeks older than me, and her Kaali is 19 degrees away from mine.

Also, who is the Atropos-Chiron-DSC person? Not your karmic soulmate I hope?

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posted September 22, 2015 03:29 AM            

I believe in soulmates but never could find the proof for TF. Was always a little skeptical and waiting to see actual proof.

I have a lot of aspects listed with the one which i never called as TF. The Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Saturn/Pluto aspects, even the asteroids pairings, and more in the draconic charts. They do make me wonder if it's really my TF after reading the stuff here.

He got together with this girl and she was saying "He's my TF!" to everyone. Something snapped in me after hearing it. I mean I've been looking at charts for years and looking into this whole concept of TF astrologically and you are telling me you are it?! I mean i looked at their synastry chart and there's really not much going on. No Saturn aspects, I do see Neptune. Starting to doubt this TF concept.

To my understanding, soulmates can be people like your family members , best friends, partner. Maybe TF is just that soulmate that fits as your partner. Maybe that's a healthier way of thinking instead of trying to idealise as the only TF to you and your soul.

posted September 22, 2015 03:57 AM            

He defies everything I've ever applied to him -- or him to. Including relationships. Two years into this thing, nearly eight months as his girlfriend (officially) and I still feel like glorified professional partners, creative colleagues, occasional lovers, (unless we have a specific goal) but constant best friends. Confusing isn't the half of it.

posted September 22, 2015 11:33 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Weirdly enough, I spent the day today by ELEMINATING all of these things, including outer planets, and just check synastries for the most basic pairings Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Saturn.

I can`t even tell you how refreshing and CLEAR that felt to me.
The simplicity was amazing!

Doesn`t say anything about twin-ship, of course, but that was not my intention anyway.

However I WAS surprised to find a pretty clear and general picture to emerge.

I used these aspects:
conjunction, opposition, square, trine (5 degrees)
sextile, quinkunx (3 degrees)
parallel, contraparallel (1 degree)

and no not a single of the other minor aspects!

I eleminated EVERYTHING except Sun, Moon, Saturn, Venus, Mars plus Mercury, Jupiter and ASC, MC, Vertex, Nodes.

I did not even really delve into the angle business, except for one observation that should have been obvious from the beginning.

What was there in ALL the synastries, no exception so far, granted I just was checking about 10-12 synastries (did not count to be honest), was this:

1) Sun-Moon, Moon-Saturn, Venus-Mars
either a direct aspect between the pairs
OR
an aspect bridged through a catalyst-planet and often it was actually an angle or the nodal axis

That I set out to figure out.

But what I noticed, too, was more or less incidental

2) an aspect of either Sun-Venus or Moon-Mars

3) Saturn in aspect to Venus and/or Mars

(naturally Saturn-Sun happens pretty often too, but have nto checked if it was there in every synastry, and even if not, Moon-Saturn was there most of the time)

Those were true for every synastry.

Maybe my parameters were too wide, but I still found that interesting.

And as I said so refreshing to ONLY look at the personal planets for once. lol

Oh the other observation that should have been obvious all along, ASC is of course representative of Earth in our charts (as it the point where the celestial sphere meets the ground on earth and starts the cross of matter) -

for a relationship to become tangible and existent there should be a merging point with the ASC-DESC-axis (or as I suspect IC-MC as well) - so a conjunction or parallel to at least one angple. Something has to bring the potential, as being painted through the planetary pictures in the sky, into manifestation after all.

So that is what I have been doing.

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I have a lot to catch up here, but couldn't miss Ceri's post

These are my findings as well, with the exception of Sun/Venus Moon/Mars, in the sense that I haven't noticed repeated major aspects between those BUT there's always something going on with these two pairs, for example, if not in the synastry, definitely in the composite, or some minor configurations or symbolic pairings. You mean you found majors aspects in all cases? or the majority.

I also have Venus and Mars to Saturn on my list. Venus/Saturn is quite the classic, but Mars/Saturn is still intriguing. They definitely are there.

I will check 12 synastries for the aspects Ceri mentions, 6 famous, 6 from my database (happy long term couples).

The way TF is logical to me: the best relationship possible, the ultimate soulmate, I can't picture a TF synastry without these pairings. If they are present in happy long term loves, they will be in a TF synastry as well, no doubt (in my mind)

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 22, 2015 11:55 AM              

" You mean you found majors aspects in all cases? or the majority."
Yes ALL cases. Either Sun-Venus or Moon-Mars, sometimes both.
I was lazy, so I did not bother with the composite (something that we MUST do though for a complete picture); however I did include the quinkunx and the parallel/ contraparallel, and especially the parallel/ contraparallel seemed like the missing link, that which I missed in my previous researches.

But well, I only checked a handful synastries, so possibly it will not be there ALL the times.

"If they are present in happy long term loves, they will be in a TF synastry as well, no doubt (in my mind)"

My thinking exactly. Though the presennce of theese aspects does not necessarily mean the couple is twinflames. But well I prefer thinking in terms of soulgroups anyway.

In fact I do not really bother too much about IF people are soulmates anymore, but much more interesting to me is WHAT kind of soulmates they might be.

Not yes-or-no, but how and what kind, is what interests me nowadays.

posted September 22, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
And that's my karmic soulmate. To a 'T'. So, you can imagine my TOTAL confusion in this area.

Over time, I've come to accept that it's just an indicator of being extremely close soul-family. What I refer to as 'my fraternal twin brother'. We both came from the same stuff, and there we are.

My twin, on the other hand, is akin to a hermaphrodite born with two distinct personalities. We're the same. There are no 'similarities' insofar as we are the same energy that oscillates its expression. There's no gradation. It's just the same frequency of operation.

It was through this understanding that I was, actually, able to relate more effectively with both my twin and my karmic soulmate.

Now, Gabby, I'm not saying your having the same experience that I've had with my karmic soulmate, but with your twin, discounts that he's your twin. I'm merely saying it shouldn't be taken as a defining feature, as it can be experienced in extremely close soul-family.

In fact, I share this with my two nearest soul-sisters, too. We have an incredible empathic link, too. Two of us look alike, except that she's a blue-eyed blonde and I'm a brown-eyed brunette, but we could be sisters for how much we look alike in facial features, mannerism, and even our voices have the same timbre. The other is a whole other 'version' of me, (and she's her soul-sister, too) to whom I feel more closely related at our core. Same personality, a lot of the same life choices; we have the same demeanor. The blonde is the baby, though; we're the older sisters.

Truthfully, I'm the oldest, born in October, with the blonde in November, and the other brunette in December. Oh, hey, you guys actually know her -- Blind writer. For example, we're both astrologers -- independently -- but the blonde isn't -- though she's always been very naturally psychic. It's through Blind writer that I received the information about Guardian Soulmates, actually. She independently confirmed it. We do that a lot with each other.

It gets confusing.

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posted September 22, 2015 12:36 PM              

3) Saturn in aspect to Venus and/or Mars

EDIT: I didn't check declinations, unfortunately

for the famous part, just taking the first couples suspected of love with TOBs lol in one of my databases

wallis/edward

sun conj sun, sun trine moon
moon conj saturn
venus mars is a minor DW, binovile and semisextile

no sun/venus
mars opp moon coupled with mars sq moon

venus trine saturn, mars opp saturn

rita wilson/tom hanks

they have something awesome, moon conj Uranus DW in the same sign

sun sq moon, moon conj moon
a wide moon trine saturn, but saturns conj on nodal axis, DW
venus mars DW in a wide cross opp and sq with all of them

no sun venus, sun trine marses, and moon mars only in sesquis

venus sextile saturn

goldie.russel

sun sq moon
moon saturn DW conj and sq
sun saturn DW sextile and trine

mars quincunx venus

sun venus no, but in sesquis and BQ I think, so a minor DW
no moon/mars

mars sextile saturn
venus sq saturn

marie pierre curie

Sun/Moon DW
no venus mars with majors

sun saturn DW, no moon/saturn witth majors

moon sq mars
sun venus opp coupled with sun quincunx mars

zeta/douglas

sun moon DW opp and square
sun conj sun
moon sq moon fake sq, but tight

no venus mars with majors, a widish OOS sq

moon trine saturn, sun sq saturn

no sun venus, moon conj mars 1 deg

venus sextile saturn; wide mars opp saturn

joanne/paul newman

their sun moon DW
mars venus in semisextile
no direct moon saturn, but some important interplay there with it

sun trine saturn

no sun venus, moon sextile mars

venus saturn DW conj and trine
mars sq saturn

PERSONAL CHARTS

grandparents

sun moon DW trine and sq

moon sq saturn

venus trine mars

Sun Venus DW: opp and sextile

moon sextile mars

venus saturn DW opp and trine

mars sextile saturn

sorry, I got tired with listing, but theese aspects are there, one way or another

just posting two more charts, and leaving them here for a little while

married couple long term friends of mine, definitely soulmates

and my parents

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 22, 2015 12:48 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hi Leeloo,

" You mean you found majors aspects in all cases? or the majority."
Yes ALL cases. Either Sun-Venus or Moon-Mars, sometimes both.
I was lazy, so I did not bother with the composite (something that we MUST do though for a complete picture); however I did include the quinkunx and the parallel/ contraparallel, and especially the parallel/ contraparallel seemed like the missing link, that which I missed in my previous researches.

But well, I only checked a handful synastries, so possibly it will not be there ALL the times.

"If they are present in happy long term loves, they will be in a TF synastry as well, no doubt (in my mind)"

My thinking exactly. Though the presennce of theese aspects does not necessarily mean the couple is twinflames. But well I prefer thinking in terms of soulgroups anyway.

In fact I do not really bother too much about IF people are soulmates anymore, but much more interesting to me is WHAT kind of soulmates they might be.

Not yes-or-no, but how and what kind, is what interests me nowadays.

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Hi, Ceri

Exactly. The main focus for me when we're talking romantic soulmates and TF is about highly compatible charts.

There are however soulmates of different kinds, such as our friends and family, those part of our soul group. Sometimes the focus in those charts is growth, and it may be different than the "couple" principle (which involves high compatibility)

Aspects like the ones you mention are, in fact, about this compatibility. (if we're talking romantic soulmates and the TF)

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 22, 2015 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptune29:
Hi Aubyanne,
Have you ever checked asteroids 111111 and 131313 with your twin's chart.I think usually these are very prominent in twin flame charts.
We both have a natal conjunction of these two. In synastry his 111111 & 131313 sits on my Venus exact and mine on hos IC.

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Yeah, I tried that before. Seems to be effective with all soulmates, as well as my twin. Hasn't really helped in terms of distinction.

posted September 22, 2015 02:41 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Exactly. The main focus for me when we're talking romantic soulmates and TF is about highly compatible charts.

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Leeloo,

posted September 22, 2015 02:47 PM              

his 111111 is exactly sextile my 111111 and conjunct my BML and his Priapus.

131313 are on each other`s Juno-Jupiter-mp. his 131313 is even conjunct both my Juno and Jupiter.

the composite has 111111 conjunct the ASC (but by 2-3 degrees, from 12th house).

131313 is only conjunct Vesta (but on his natal SN-Priapus).

posted September 22, 2015 02:53 PM            

Mine is conjunct his ANTEROS (0º) and the VALENTINE stellium (2º).

His is just trine my VENUS-ASC (1º).

And virtually nothing with my karmic soulmate either way.

Checked my parents', too. Nada.

posted September 22, 2015 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
What does 111111 stand for?

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posted December 15, 2017 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
T-Gem,

here is a list
http://sasstrology.com/2011/03/black-hole-mars-scary-sexy.html

Personally I would only consider conjunctions - seriously what is the sense in the other aspects with a black hole, either someting is on it or not - similiar to fixed stars.

And only within 1 degree max - either it`s there or it is not.

For a synastry aspect, I suppose a planet in closish but not exact conjunction with another planet might get pulled in, if that other planet is tied to that black hole.

As for Sootyo and Soomana, I noticed the pattern with other souls that have been very significant for my development.

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I have an exact square Mars Aries/Cancer @ 9.