posted September 19, 2015 01:09 AM            

I've noticed that, categorically, I have more of the soulmate pairings with my actual soulmates than I do my twin flame. This may be coincidence, or it might lead to further investigation into twin flame astrology.

Most noticeably, I have almost ALL of the soulmate pairings in composite with my karmic soulmate. That one confused everything. However, I've noticed this with many soulmates: I have more ISIS/OSIRIS, EROS/PSYCHE, and PLUTO/PROSERPINA and HADES/PERSEPHONE with karmic soulmates -- by far.

And with my twin, it's much more subtle. Our charts, as a whole, have a very profound interplay on the planetary level -- SUN and MOON, VENUS and MARS, and deep interconnexions amongst our tropical, Draco, and sidereal astrology. I'd say we almost have everything else you'd expect -- including the progressed synastry (and composite) at time of meeting and when we began our relationship, as well as the Prenatal Eclipse synastry, and a tonne of karmic / soul-related aspects.

But the soulmate pairings? I think we've got a rather dynamic configuration with KAALI and SIVA -- but I'd have to check. He has a natal stellium of 7H KAALI-RUDRA-VALENTINE, and I have 12H ISIS/OSIRIS=NNODE -- as an example. My ISIS parallel OSIRIS isn't the indication of my being a twin flame; there are a few. I know that one of them is 1H ALMA-JUNO on the SGC with SATURN. I suspect that one of his is the KAALI-RUDRA-VALENTINE -- but I can't say this certainly.

posted September 19, 2015 04:05 AM            

There are no other pairings in the natal, but in the helio comp, almost all of the soulmate pairs are there,

isis conjunct osiris exact, with pluto/ persephone, adonis/ innannen, Baccus/ariadne,Pygmalion/Galatea, all exactly opposite. Siva/ kaali are sextile, oh and Briede and Groom are opposite too, but within 3 degrees.

Perhaps it just means that the relationships higher purpose is to learn to relate to each other in an equal way, so that the male/female energies are balanced.?

posted September 19, 2015 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
For 5 years I have lived convinced twin flames existed and that I was having one. Now I think this concept is BS.

You can have soulmates, soul connections and karmic soulmates. But Twin Flames? Not. They are very rare.

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I agree wholeheartedly. But, reflecting upon my life thus far, it's made astonishing sense. I'm very rare -- we both are, to be frank. And I was bathed in a golden light within hours of my birth. Literally. My parents still get a kick out of that. 'Well, you're special,' my father's said, 'and not just to us.' I thought that was incredibly sweet. And THEY are amazing people.

Plus, I've been dreaming or otherwise 'hooked into' my twin ever since my early teens. I just thought there was NO way he could exist. Too many weird quirks and background experiences would have to be present, and that'd never happen. Yet, incredibly, it has.

posted September 19, 2015 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by alegna:
Hi Aubyanne, It's all very confusing to me. lol Being very interested in the tf research, I have followed all the threads on it, and the more I learn, it seems the less I understand,

In the natal comp with my tf/karmic soulmate/whatever else he may be, there is a conjunction of isis/osiris. Our name asteroids are conjunct and exactly opposite union.

There are no other pairings in the natal, but in the helio comp, almost all of the soulmate pairs are there,

isis conjunct osiris exact, with pluto/ persephone, adonis/ innannen, Baccus/ariadne,Pygmalion/Galatea, all exactly opposite. Siva/ kaali are sextile, oh and Briede and Groom are opposite too, but within 3 degrees.

Perhaps it just means that the relationships higher purpose is to learn to relate to each other in an equal way, so that the male/female energies are balanced.?

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Sounds very much like my composite with my karmic soulmate. We've got all the soulmate pairings -- especially in the composite. It's bizarre! ISIS conjunct OSIRIS (0°), EROS trine PSYCHE, KAALI conjunct RUDRA, and ADONIS and INNANEN. Everything.

Though I've noticed my twin and I have some strong connexions natally of ADONIS and INNANEN. Then there are some cross aspects.

What's odd is, when it comes to 'pairings', it's almost always reversed. It'll be, say, his ISIS to my OSIRIS. Or we'll have ISIS parallel ISIS and OSIRIS with OSIRIS -- but nothing of my ISIS to his OSIRIS, outside of being in opposing signs (Leo and Aquarius).

Though my PSYCHE is parallel his EROS. That's definitely something. But in the composite? It's all clustering with but not aspecting lights -- EROS is conjunct MOON, and while PSYCHE is in the same sign as the SUN, they're way out of orb; but also almost opposite EROS-MOON.

posted September 19, 2015 06:48 AM              

ISIS conjunct OSIRIS: Scorpio
EROS opposite PSYCHE: Taurus-Scorpio
SEKHMET conjunct PTAH: Aquarius
CAESAR conjunct KLEOPATRA: Aquarius
TUTHMOSIS conjunct HATHSEPSUT: Leo
AMENHOTEP opposite NOFRETETE exact: Virgo-Pisces
LANCELOT opposite GUINEVERE wide (3): Virgo-Pisces

posted September 19, 2015 12:03 PM            

I could meet anyone and say I feel bla bla bla and I see this in my chart so this person is my TF, Guardian, Twin Ray or a Soulmate...or make up whatever name for it or follow whatever newest name is being put out to be able to call the addition of another guy into our life and call it "Destin". This doesn't make sense.

posted September 19, 2015 12:44 PM              

not really going into what you wrote about tf`s (mainly because I think that while there may be markers, those markers have been "set up" by human beings, and we all can be wrong, but if there are tf-markers, then yes, tf`s would have them of course! But I cannot exclude that what we identified as tf-markers might not actually BE tf-markers after all; just the same as to what tf are and what they are there for,t heir purpose, not going into that discussion;

I also would not and have never claimed Mr Sag to be my tf, the only thing I really can say is that whatever he is (in terms of soul-connection) the experience has been and still is unique and incomparable to any other experience I have had with anyone else, on many layers)

Now I wrote what I did not intend to write anyway.

But I got intrigued by your mentioning of Black holes,

Mr Sag`s and my Sun-Moon-conjunction (including his Sun, MC and my Mercury as well), DOES fall onto black hole. in fact it falls near to the Galactic centre, though the Sun-Sun-conjunction is most closest to that, while his Moon is about 2 degrees off it.

I saw this article here
http://sasstrology.com/2011/03/black-hole-mars-scary-sexy.html

and realized with surprise that actually I have some planets on black holes:

my name asteroid 16 Taurus (exact)

my DESC 7 Gemini (2 degr)
my SN 10 Gemini (1 degr)

my APHRODITE 13 Libra (exact)

my UNION 29 Libra (exact)

my VALENTINE 27 Scorpio (1°)

my Mars 5 Sag (exact)

my NN 10 Sag (exact)
my Neptune 9 Sag (1°)

my Sun 26 Sag (exact)

my Venus 6 Cap (1°)

my Moon 17 Aqua (exact)

my JUNO 16 Pisces (exact)

posted September 19, 2015 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gabby,

not really going into what you wrote about tf`s (mainly because I think that while there may be markers, those markers have been "set up" by human beings, and we all can be wrong, but if there are tf-markers, then yes, tf`s would have them of course! But I cannot exclude that what we identified as tf-markers might not actually BE tf-markers after all; just the same as to what tf are and what they are there for,t heir purpose, not going into that discussion;

I also would not and have never claimed Mr Sag to be my tf, the only thing I really can say is that whatever he is (in terms of soul-connection) the experience has been and still is unique and incomparable to any other experience I have had with anyone else, on many layers)

Now I wrote what I did not intend to write anyway.

But I got intrigued by your mentioning of Black holes,

Mr Sag`s and my Sun-Moon-conjunction (including his Sun, MC and my Mercury as well), DOES fall onto black hole. in fact it falls near to the Galactic centre, though the Sun-Sun-conjunction is most closest to that, while his Moon is about 2 degrees off it.

I saw this article here
http://sasstrology.com/2011/03/black-hole-mars-scary-sexy.html

and realized with surprise that actually I have some planets on black holes:

my name asteroid 16 Taurus (exact)

my DESC 7 Gemini (2 degr)
my SN 10 Gemini (1 degr)

my APHRODITE 13 Libra (exact)

my UNION 29 Libra (exact)

my VALENTINE 27 Scorpio (1°)

my Mars 5 Sag (exact)

my NN 10 Sag (exact)
my Neptune 9 Sag (1°)

my Sun 26 Sag (exact)

my Venus 6 Cap (1°)

my Moon 17 Aqua (exact)

my JUNO 16 Pisces (exact)

there are quite a lot of black holes though

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I just see all these secondary TF' theory's as us grasping to make meaning or sense out of something we don't have the ability to comprehend at this time. Something's we need to let time explain to us instead of forcing an explanation right now out of our limited understanding. Sometimes just sitting back and letting go and allow things to unfold for us is the best thing to do...let go of wanting to control the outcome or answer.

My opinion is we need to dig deeper into the TF relationships instead of dropping them and looking to others to be this TF. Maybe these relationships are doing exactly what they need to and we need to uncover that.

posted September 19, 2015 01:09 PM              

I do also agree with you that sometimes we have to sit back and trust that we know all we need to know at any given time; at the same time this should not be an excuse to stop thinking ourselves though, there has to be a balance there.

As for black holes I probably would not check for anything other than tight conjunctions. what do you think?

It strikes me a little odd though that apparently all my personal planets are being cnojunct a Black hole. lol

posted September 19, 2015 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
So now ppl don't even have to have the TF markers of being a TF but yet they are still TF's? I dont get this anymore...it makes no sense. It's like this has all spun out of control and there is no boundaries anymore.

Why are we even saying their is TF's anymore as it's starting to seem meaningless, thrown around as if it's nothing and typical.

My TF and I have a ton of TF couple pairings, we have all the major ones in one way or another. I just don't think a TF can be a TF without seeing these markers, they have been set up specifically to help us identify them.

According to iQ, a blackhole sends our energy to other demensions.

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Gabby,

I highly agree about BH being influential in multidimensional and extradimensional astrology. Absolutely. And, like you, I'm frustrated that a lot of twin flame astrology has failed. But I have to look at the reality here.

How many of the proposed twin flames are actually together and having a relationship? That acts as a model to others? An exemplar of unconditional love from a multidimensional perspective? Instead, it seems as if most are happening on an astral level only. And, honestly, that's not what I'm here for.

I'm here to find what blocks individuals from accepting their multidimensional existence and prevents the twin flames from coming together here. That's my greatest purpose.

I don't deal in what's unproven, can't be, and cannot be tested with hard evidence. That's why my extra-dimensional 'trips' have become so gobsmacking; I maintain full lucidity and can even test my own hypotheses there! It's ... amazing!

I had to face reality, Gabby. And it was in doing so that I suddenly realised how much easier it is to 'be twin flames' with a fantasy than a flesh-and-blood person.

So why aren't the soulmate pairings present for the two of us? Who knows? Maybe they're the wrong soulmate pairings. Maybe we're so far from being Earth-bound that other archetypes resonate with us instead. We DO have EROS and PSYCHE in powerful relationship -- contraparallel, as well as our basic planetary energies are in complement to one another -- which I've found more illuminating than a lot of asteroid pairings, frankly.

I just don't think it's that simple. But, clearly, my karmic soulmate and I had to have this incredible composite with 'guaranteed twin flame astrology' so that I WOULD go against the convention -- and majority (a big karmic theme for me) and follow my soul to the truth.

Did I expect there to be more, astrologically? Sure. But it's the greater lesson I'm paying attention to: all of the usual 'methods' and 'concepts' are not an adequate means of 'measuring' what we have. I've had to trust my soul. Something that was tough to do, but it was getting to be like Scully and aliens. Too much evidence; too much having to concoct crazy circumstances to explain what was more easily explained by this concept.

I wish there was a better term, though. 'Twin Flames' has gotten really 'corrupted' by a lot of influences that, frankly, drive me mad.

Maybe there's nothing that really explains what he and I have. Outside of the 'archetype' that's become near and dear to my heart; he's my imaginary friend come to life. He's been in my head longer than I've known what to do with, walking the tightrope between fantasy and reality, and blurring everything. Taking what I knew of reality and turning it squarely on its head -- over and over and over again. Making me realise things I never wanted to -- which my conventional, sceptical mind couldn't without accepting that things were vastly different from what I thought. Accepting that reality is not what I thought it was. Changing everything, and yet, being so familiar that I hazard to think of a time when he wasn't in my head. My 'raggedy old Doctor'. (Thank you, Russell T Davies.) And what that means ... well ... God only knows.

posted September 19, 2015 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It strikes me a little odd though that apparently all my personal planets are being cnojunct a Black hole. lol

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posted September 19, 2015 01:26 PM            

Soulmate pairings may be a sort of cheat-sheet shorthand, and we've been overusing them to the point of obtaining false positives.

And, as a scientist, I'm okay with that.

posted September 19, 2015 01:29 PM              

But multidimensionality has been my reality from, well, when I was born, and it came as a shock and source of disorientation when I realized that others did not perceive it like I did. Might just have been my imagination, or simply a different way of perception.
Frankly, I have stopped putting a lable to it or judging it. It`s just the way I operate in the world. lol

As for P,
he`s got something goin on on BH`s as well, though not to the extent except for Sun maybe

Sun on GC (exact)
Moon on GC (2 degrees - might be too wide)
Mercury on 9 Sag (1 degree)
Mars on 11 Virgo (2 degrees)
Jupiter on 10 Virgo (1 degree)
Saturn on 26 Virgo (1 degre)
Neptune on 20 Sag (1 degree)
Pluto on 21 Libra (1 degree)

However it seems mostly those, that are exactly aligned.

posted September 19, 2015 01:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I guess what I'm saying is that, we all have to go back to the drawing board. A lot that we thought was so, isn't. Conversely, much that we may have discounted as being more important, is.

Soulmate pairings may be a sort of cheat-sheet shorthand, and we've been overusing them to the point of obtaining false positives.

And, as a scientist, I'm okay with that.

Back to the drawing board.

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posted September 19, 2015 01:31 PM            

I think trying to find replacements or others that have the same meaning is devaluing the TF bond. There is a simplicity that needs to be respected and valued. We are making it so much more confusing, convoluted by bringing in all these others...yes other ppl are important but they are not and never will be the TF bond. I think the bond has much less to do with the other person and much more to do with the bond that is in our heart.
It's not with them it's what they left within us from that brief reunion.
Maybe once we let go and try not force anything or obsess we might start moving forward that allows the bond to come together or maybe it's preparing us for our next reunion in another life time.

posted September 19, 2015 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There are certain things I am not, well, I have not disclosed, and feel this might not be the right place to do so.

But multidimensionality has been my reality from, well, when I was born, and it came as a shock and source of disorientation when I realized that others did not perceive it like I did. Might just have been my imagination, or simply a different way of perception.

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Exactly. I'm not sure why I had to turn against everything at twelve ... first Nodal Return was hardcore? But I did. I had to begin questioning everything, growing into a hard-nosed sceptic, instead.

But these are the tools that have proved most influential and even 'convincing' to others who are scientifically-minded. Because I have stringent controls for everything -- I have to. I expect it all to be tested. I expect it to withstand the testing -- not to break and be disproven.

Did I want it to be my karmic soulmate? Well, it made sense in my head. From an intellectual level -- why not? We were having some pretty crazy reality-bending experiences. But, oh, God -- it was just beginning. These were the start of my being able to handle this.

We laugh now, that night my twin was incessantly 'calling my name' in my head as I was attempting sleep upon several occasions, waking to find the map flickering, the page of the book upon which it happened to be turned over to be VENUS conjunct PLUTO (Linda's synastry book, of course). My growing frustration to the point of anger. We laugh, since life, or fate, or some bizarre combination emerged to force our big headliner to step down from the lead role in the Phantom project, and for him -- as he was made understudy in January -- to assume it. Though the producer can't help but admit that she was kinda wishing they'd cast him initially. But they needed a headliner -- or thought they did. We're making up for it in sheer talent.

We (I'm also the head writer) had a fascinating conversation about how, when viewed through the lens of twin flames, Erik and Christine made total sense: the supernatural element, of one practically 'possessing' the other, the fact that he'd been 'a part of something' since childhood (preparing her for the eventual meeting), the reunion which takes place on a level that is both concrete and astral -- and through something so incredible -- art! Music! -- and it being unconditional love which 'breaks' the 'curse'.

When looking at it from the perspective of a deeply corrupt twin that must be 'saved' by love from the other twin, it's bloody romantic, honestly. Not that I outright forgive the extent of Erik's evil -- God, no. And we're playing him with full boat villainy where needed. But I get this understanding of having to fight the darkest heart with the deepest love.

Funny, but that's how the story which I karmic soulmate and I penned actually ended. And, the role of the big bad -- the one with the darkest heart which must be 'saved' by love? You wanna guess? Yep. My twin. He's a perfect match -- and I didn't even create the character!

posted September 19, 2015 02:07 PM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 19, 2015 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Maybe we are not meant to be together, at least not until certain lessons are learned and we can let go of the obsession with it with means we are truly strong alone.

I agree...back to the drawing board! Which for me means letting go and meditating, not letting myself think about it at all and the answers come to me.

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YES! Yes, yes, yes! What I had to learn above all was that I am strong enough alone -- not to run to any relationship, or any man, or anything that isn't under my total control.

The sort of relationship with my twin is crazy by 'traditional' standards. There are no expectations outside of we are here to love each other completely and to be loyal to that love. My husband is a 'prior obligation' and karmic relationship. There is a real and deep love there, but it's rooted in his insecurity and inability to let go of ego. I help him everyday with this.

My twin only shows his ego when a karmic pattern is being activated -- which is extremely rare. These are the specific battlegrounds where we undergo testing. This past VENUSRx was very hard. But two amazing things came from it: we made love -- truly -- for the first time, and I ended my series. I did! I wrote the final five minutes. And I discovered its true theme.

Love is stronger than justice.

What a sap! But, hey, what else can you expect from sVALENTINE on ALGOL and so much TISIPHONE synastry?

posted September 19, 2015 02:22 PM              

Sun/Moon DW
Venus/Mars DW

and the soulmate pairings (asteroids) somewhere (synastry, composite, draco etc.) Everything will be there.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 19, 2015 02:23 PM            

It is literally the debate, 'is love stronger than justice?' And the only way it finally concludes -- finally resolves -- is by something allowing him to decide that, yes, it is. What that is -- you'll have to see.

I can tell you that she (Riley) becomes quite the 'Isis' type of figure nearing the end of the series. She's slowly had to accept her multidimensional existence over the course of it, but one crucial detail changes everything, sending her in a bold new direction. I think she becomes the essence of the strong female presence who isn't weakened, but instead, empowered by love, and her ability to love so completely. Gah! What has happened to me? But it's true. I'm very proud of her ultimate arc. She's a helluva role model now. A powerful survivor who doesn't win by manipulation or detachment -- but through surrendering her entire being to love and confronting death.

Hey, I am a Plutonian. That was bound to happen.

posted September 19, 2015 02:33 PM            

To be honest i dont believe in sun-moon sun-venus as soulmate either.We can have that with so many people, even with killers (god help me to never find one)

posted September 19, 2015 02:35 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Soulmate (and twinflame) pairings for me are Sun/Moon Venus/Mars Saturn to luminaries and love (+ chart) rulers in direct aspect but I get your point

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yes, for me, too.

posted September 19, 2015 02:38 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

I dunno. As I've gotten older, I've learnt to just go with it, I suppose. Too exhausting fighting the timestream. I just let it flow.

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yes, me, too.

posted September 19, 2015 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
YES! Yes, yes, [b]yes! What I had to learn above all was that I am strong enough alone -- not to run to any relationship, or any man, or anything that isn't under my total control.

The sort of relationship with my twin is crazy by 'traditional' standards. There are no expectations outside of we are here to love each other completely and to be loyal to that love. My husband is a 'prior obligation' and karmic relationship. There is a real and deep love there, but it's rooted in his insecurity and inability to let go of ego. I help him everyday with this.

My twin only shows his ego when a karmic pattern is being activated -- which is extremely rare. These are the specific battlegrounds where we undergo testing. This past VENUSRx was very hard. But two amazing things came from it: we made love -- truly -- for the first time, and I ended my series. I did! I wrote the final five minutes. And I discovered its true theme.

Love is stronger than justice.

What a sap! But, hey, what else can you expect from sVALENTINE on ALGOL and so much TISIPHONE synastry?

Ahhh. 11:11. Nice.[/B]

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Personally I've realized I don't want to try to define it, I think in trying to define it any further than I have I will deconstruct it and make it ever harder to grasp.
We have kind of done that in some ways in this forum...we've raised more questions and added confusion more than we have answered questions regarding TF.
Personally, I know I need to let go, and be done with it all....i don’t think I believe in TFs anymore.
In the end the only person who really matters NOW...is me!
Its not even about the TF's, it totally about us!

After stop focusing on others we grow the most and what we learn and how we grow is sent to the universe through these black holes we shared with the TF.

Issues arise when you try to make the intangible, tangible and then expect to perceive it here and now.
By doing that you are short changing yourself, because the most beautiful part of any relationships is the part that cannot be logically seen. It's the feelings it uncovers that raises your energy to new levels.
The brain connects to the ego so the answers won't be found there. Ppl can calculate, think and rethink all they want but they won't find the answers this way.
It's only through your heart you will be able feel the depth and comprehend the highest purpose of any relationship and that's only if you let your heart lead you.