posted September 28, 2015 01:03 PM            

Otherwise, I fear the unconscious 'power' they have to influence the less experienced, who are desperately seeking answers and will 'find' them, if they look hard enough. The process or concept known as 'apophenia'.

posted September 28, 2015 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
The asteroids being discussed here should only be used in the charts of otherwise confirmed twin flames: with astrology, history, synchronicity, and, quite possibly, mutual awareness of the relationship.

Otherwise, I fear the unconscious 'power' they have to influence the less experienced, who are desperately seeking answers and will 'find' them, if they look hard enough. The process or concept known as 'apophenia'.

I would guard against using these except in cases aforementioned. That's just my final take.

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I would tend to agree with you, the other criteria needs to be explored first and confirmed. I do think these asteroids can be seen aspecting in charts of negative relationships, even destructive relationships to.
Without the higher capabilities that come from a TF relationship, which has the purpose to release the chains that bind us, a relationship that has a theme of these asteroids could just point to someone dominating and controlling the other person. It could be a warped relationship that can do harm and destroy the mental and emotional strength of one or the other.

I will use the example of my step father who mentally destroyed me as a child and led me to spend my life recovering from his twisted mind games.

His 111111 saggy@5.57
My Sun saggy@4.28
His 131313 cancer@19.23
My Venus libra@19.05

In our comp...
11111 cap@25
Mars cancer@26
Moon libra@24
131313 gemini@7
Waldemath gemin@8
Chiron pisces@5

We have a hugely destructive stellium
Venus virgo@13
Uranus virgo@13
Saturn virgo@13
Pluto virgo@15
That stellium says a lot about the relationships energetic quality!

There was no love in our relationship that equated to overcoming pain....it was purely destructive.

posted September 28, 2015 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by alegna:
Isn't the number said to be associated with twin flames, 1111? not 111111?

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I just looked up the discovery date the asteroid 1111

What's very interesting is it's Pluto is opposed transit Pluto right now...so much happening right now with TF, I find that interesting.
Although at a quick glance I didn't see anything that screamed "major evolution through love" in it's founding chart.

posted September 28, 2015 02:33 PM            

I have 111111 aspecting Valentine with 3 soulmates in composite or synastry, obviously not all 3 are Twins. You do have to look at the entire synastry and composite and your own instincts/heart among other things to determine who is your TF.

In my opinion like I mentioned earlier the energy of 111111 is about manifestation and that is why I am seeing a strong connection bt romantic soulmates and valentine with 111111; when I seek romantic love I manifest them into my life. Its a marker for soulmates, TF but is closely associated with the law of attraction too but naturally when you are ready to meet a soulmate or twin you would attract them to you and 111111 is an energy that would help with that.

posted September 28, 2015 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by alegna:
Isn't the number said to be associated with twin flames, 1111? not 111111?

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11 is meaningful bc is a master number but think of the power of trinity and how powerful 111111 can be for manifesting things into your life if you chose your thoughts wisely! See my last comment for an example of this.

Number 1 resonates with the vibrations and attributes of new beginnings, independence, individuality, masculinity, assertiveness, success, leadership, originality, initiative, the pioneer, organizer, instinct, courage, inspiration, strength, creation and creativity, self-reliance, tenacity, forcefulness, authority, strong willpower, leniency, attainment, happiness, glory, fame, uniqueness, omniscience, fulfillment, innovation, risk-taking, high achievements, instinct, oneness with life, self-development, progress, tenacity, leadership, strength, ambition, motivation, striving forward and progress, ambition and will power, positivity and positiveness, pioneering, raw energy, force, activity, self-leadership and assertiveness, initiative, intuition, organization, achievement and success, strength and self-reliance, authority, love, attainment, fulfilment and omniscience.

Number 1, being the number of 'new' is the number from which all manifestation begins. It is the energy that begins all actions and leads the way in new directions. 1 is the number of new projects, courage, originality and decisiveness and the desire for expansion on all levels.

Every number is divisible by 1. We are all one, therefore we are all connected and associated by thought. When the Angel Number 1 appears to you repeatedly it is a message to watch your thoughts and focus upon your positive desires, rather than your negative fears.

The 1 number sequence (in all it’s forms) is most often the first sequence that appears to many people. Once the 1111 is acknowledged, the number sequence changes to another combination along with new life experiences, directions and opportunities.

The Angel Number 1 tells of new beginnings and changes. It denotes leadership and independence and tells of new starts and new actions that will take self-reliance and determination. Leadership takes courage, strong willpower and decisiveness in all areas, so that the goal can be achieved.

When Angel Number 1 appear repeatedly it signifies that an energetic gateway has opened up for you, and this will rapidly manifest your thoughts into reality. The message is to choose your thoughts wisely, ensuring that they match your true desires. Do not put your energy into focusing on fears as you may manifest them into your life.

The number 11 is a ‘karmic’, Master Number. The Master Number 11 tells us that to become involved with the higher-self is to know our life purpose and soul mission. Once we learn to blend the higher-self with our daily thinking pattern, we will learn how to avoid the obstacles and pitfalls experienced when we operate fully on a materialistic level. As we learn to blend the two levels we mature and develop spiritually. It makes us grow stronger and develop an inner-strength that will help us to steer our lives in the right direction. Balance within gives us great strength to our character. The essence of the message of the number sequence of 11 is to develop intuition, clairvoyance, spiritual healing and metaphysical faculties. The Number 11 symbolizes the principle of spiritual enlightenment.

When Angel Number 11 appears repeatedly in your life your angels are asking you to pay attention to your repetitive thoughts and ideas as they hold the ‘answers’ to your prayers.

When you recognize an Angel Number 111 sequence appearing to you frequently, take note of your thoughts at the time that they occur. When a series of 111's appear, monitor your thoughts carefully and be sure to only think about what it is you really want, not what you don't want.

The 1111 sequences is most often the first sequence that appears to many people. Once the 1111 is noticed and acknowledged, the number sequences progress onto other numbers and your angels have other messages to pass on to you. The 1111 number sequence is a sign that there is an opportunity opening up for you, and your thoughts are manifesting them into form at lightening speed. The 1111 is similar to the bright light of a flashbulb. It means that the Universe has just taken a snapshot of your thoughts and is manifesting your ideas into material form. Be aware that you will manifest your thoughts, therefore, do not think negative thoughts as these are what you will draw into your life. Use the positive energies of the Universe to bring to fruition your deepest desires, hopes and dreams.

posted September 28, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I just looked up the discovery date the asteroid 1111

What's very interesting is it's Pluto is opposed transit Pluto right now...so much happening right now with TF, I find that interesting.
Although at a quick glance I didn't see anything that screamed "major evolution through love" in it's founding chart.

There is a direct NN in cancer....
Saturn/Karma are exact conjunct squaring Jupiter by 1 degree.
That aspect doesn't seem very higher vibrational at all.

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posted September 28, 2015 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I would tend to agree with you, the other criteria needs to be explored first and confirmed. I do think these asteroids can be seen aspecting in charts of negative relationships, even destructive relationships to.

Without the higher capabilities that come from a TF relationship, which has the purpose to release the chains that bind us, a relationship that has a theme of these asteroids could just point to someone dominating and controlling the other person. It could be a warped relationship that can do harm and destroy the mental and emotional strength of one or the other.

I will use the example of my step father who mentally destroyed me as a child and led me to spend my life recovering from his twisted mind games.

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That's a VERY interesting application, Gabby. Yes, I'm definitely seeing that myself; in fact, I was surprised how much I was seeing them in charts where there was active domination, and even abuse. Which is another reason why I was so nervous to see them as a twin flame -- or even true love soulmate -- marker.

Thank you for sharing that. It's very helpful. iQ had suggested how they could be used to otherwise commandeer the energies of a high-frequency individual, influencing them to give more weight to a bad relationship, preventing them from growing and evolving in a good one. These could be used as a kind of 'hook', which might reveal how and where these 'hooks' could be, and how.

I think it is interesting that it's near my PSYCHE. I can't tell you how many times I've been 'hooked' into negative, destructive relationships that had the deep feeling of a soul connexion, through advantage being taken of my innate desire to help heal psychological wounds, and bring others greater happiness. It's as if I became blinded to the reality; I was so intent upon healing not only them, but myself, that I would act recklessly. The worst example is how I disregarded my actual twin flame for a 'false' twin flame -- but we don't need to beat that -- by now, undead -- horse any further.

Conversely, when present in confirmed twin flame synastry, they might be further confirmation of the connexion. Given the rarity of twin flame astrology, I still hesitate. Especially if there's greater danger of seeing something that 'confirms' what isn't actually there.

posted September 28, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I just looked up the discovery date the asteroid 1111

What's very interesting is it's Pluto is opposed transit Pluto right now...so much happening right now with TF, I find that interesting.
Although at a quick glance I didn't see anything that screamed "major evolution through love" in it's founding chart.

There is a direct NN in cancer....
Saturn/Karma are exact conjunct squaring Jupiter by 1 degree.
That aspect doesn't seem very higher vibrational at all.

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I found the discovery date for 111111!

It has an ISIS conjunct OSIRIS under 2d and Valentine is there too.

posted September 28, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I found the discovery date for 111111!

It has an ISIS conjunct OSIRIS under 2d and Valentine is there too.

I will post in a little bit

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posted September 28, 2015 03:22 PM            

AND THE SUN IS IN 20º SCORPIO ON THE DISCOVERY DATE?

posted September 28, 2015 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Oh, awesome!! I can't wait to see it Hyp, thank you!

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Gabby its actually kind of beautiful!

VENUS conjuncts HORUS and POSEIDON H47! WOW
ISIS conjuncts OSIRIS
Ceres-Isis-Osiris-Valentine Stellium
SUN conjunct EROS
AMOR trine CUPIDO

Last, There is a Kite:
Mars Grand Trine with Moon-Interkosmos and Saturn and Saturn opposes Pluto.

posted September 28, 2015 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's a VERY interesting application, Gabby. Yes, I'm definitely seeing that myself; in fact, I was surprised how much I was seeing them in charts where there was active domination, and even abuse. Which is another reason why I was so nervous to see them as a twin flame -- or even true love soulmate -- marker.

Thank you for sharing that. It's very helpful. iQ had suggested how they could be used to otherwise commandeer the energies of a high-frequency individual, influencing them to give more weight to a bad relationship, preventing them from growing and evolving in a good one. These could be used as a kind of 'hook', which might reveal how and where these 'hooks' could be, and how.

I think it is interesting that it's near my PSYCHE. I can't tell you how many times I've been 'hooked' into negative, destructive relationships that had the deep feeling of a soul connexion, through advantage being taken of my innate desire to help heal psychological wounds, and bring others greater happiness. It's as if I became blinded to the reality; I was so intent upon healing not only them, but myself, that I would act recklessly. The worst example is how I disregarded my actual twin flame for a 'false' twin flame -- but we don't need to beat that -- by now, undead -- horse any further.

Conversely, when present in confirmed twin flame synastry, they might be further confirmation of the connexion. Given the rarity of twin flame astrology, I still hesitate. Especially if there's greater danger of seeing something that 'confirms' what isn't actually there.

Or could we even go further and argue that there is an overall deeper vibration, and these are the relationships that are preparing us for eventual union? Oh, it becomes so complicated, doesn't it?

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The more extreme relationships for good or bad impact us the most...eventually leading to growth, hopefully.
They can be horrific experiences initially that force healing by do or die. Or they can be healing through love...so I do see these asteroids as potentially amazing or catastrophic destruction that will eventually lead to a healing that takes you to new heights.
Had I not had a dad that hurt me like he did, I would be half the person I am today!
Do I wish it had been love that raised me up, oh yeah!! But either way the end result is the same, I found my way out of the darkness he put me in and then beyond.

posted September 28, 2015 03:28 PM            

Yeaaahhhh. I see you, 111111. I see you. I'm holding firm. I won't get fooled again.

I reaffirm that this should ONLY be used in confirmed twin flame synastries. Otherwise, it could be an indicator that great caution need be exercised.

posted September 28, 2015 03:30 PM            

That's all I have to say.

posted September 28, 2015 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Any aspect or number has a SHADOW side and the thread is not just about TWINS is about TWINS and significant SOULMATES.

I have 111111 aspecting Valentine with 3 soulmates in composite or synastry, obviously not all 3 are Twins. You do have to look at the entire synastry and composite and your own instincts/heart among other things to determine who is your TF.

In my opinion like I mentioned earlier the energy of 111111 is about manifestation and that is why I am seeing a strong connection bt romantic soulmates and valentine with 111111; when I seek romantic love I manifest them into my life. Its a marker for soulmates, TF but is closely associated with the law of attraction too but naturally when you are ready to meet a soulmate or twin you would attract them to you and 111111 is an energy that would help with that.

But with mex we have some interesting aspects involving these numbers in both synastry and composite and he is the one I suspect is my twin.

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posted September 28, 2015 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That aspect doesn't seem very higher vibrational at all.

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And I think there's a reason for that.

Sorry, I'm just a little giddy right now. I FINALLY got something right! I followed my gut, and it paid off! That's a first!

I held firm, and I had reason to. I'm proud of myself. Sorry, I've got to admit. And for someone who's as hardcore sceptical about everything as I am, to actually hold a position for something that's not only unproven, but seems to fly in the face of logic and reason? WHOA.

posted September 28, 2015 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
And I think there's a reason for that.

Sorry, I'm just a little giddy right now. I FINALLY got something right! I followed my gut, and it paid off! That's a first!

I held firm, and I had reason to. I'm proud of myself. Sorry, I've got to admit. And for someone who's as hardcore sceptical about everything as I am, to actually hold a position for something that's not only unproven, but seems to fly in the face of logic and reason? WHOA.

I just grew a lot in this experience. I feel a bit taller.

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posted September 28, 2015 03:43 PM            

It is bc I started the thread and not you....this is what this is about. The need for your approval and initiation for anything that has to do with TF. I have never done what you have done to any of your threads!!!!!!!!!!. I know how psychology operates and the ego and you will never admit you are wrong about this; that discovery is beautiful. Maybe this asteroid is not for you but it doesnt mean is not a TF or soulmate marker. Regardless we have heard loud and clear how you feel.

posted September 28, 2015 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow Hyp, Valentine/Osiris/Isis/Ceres conjunct?

Pallas in GC
Pluto on GA
Jupiter on Sirius

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posted September 28, 2015 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WOW I did not even catch that detail yet. Thanks.

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posted September 28, 2015 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
What on earth are you talking about Auby? Poseidon H47 and Horus conjunct exact VENUS and Isis-Osiris is not good enough for you Auby??

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No, it isn't. Rather, it tells me exactly what I needed to know, H. I finally understand the level of EXTREME detail that must be undertaken when we're exploring something such as twin flames. Why we can't rely upon single aspects, or even major configurations. It goes SO much deeper than that.