posted September 28, 2015 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It is bc I started the thread and not you....this is what this is about. The need for your approval and initiation for anything that has to do with TF. I have never done what you have done to any of your threads!!!!!!!!!!. I know how psychology operates and the ego and you will never admit you are wrong about this.

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I'm very sorry you feel that way, H. I do have to say, though, that you should likely take a deep breath. If you truly think that's what's going on, you are projecting your own fears and concerns onto my actions. Heavily. I'm all for any and all kind of research. This was honestly the first time that I knew something wasn't right on a gut-level, and I merely had to follow it through to its conclusion. Now that I have, I feel relieved, and able to move forward.

posted September 28, 2015 05:17 PM            

I found this on the net regarding this degree...please notice the time of his illumination in this....the date nov 11, 2011 or 11/11/11 at 11:11 in mountain time.....

Blain Bovee....
Scorpio 20: A woman drawing two dark curtains aside

"A woman drawing two dark curtains aside" 20 Scorpio

This symbol is illuminated 1:11 PM EST, 11:11 MDT Nov. 11 (6:11 PM GMT, Nov. 11)

Theme: Revelation.

Inspiration: The curtains were draw with a dramatic flare, flooding illumination into and from a space somehow familiar, but forgotten.

Today: One of the most dynamic days in terms of psychic and extra-dimensional revelation, be alert for rather amazing, quickened developments… the kind that defy rational explanation… to manifest.

Ideas may seem to come to life like drawings that fly off the page.

Connections with deep roots of ancestry may suddenly arise into awareness.

Do not dismiss thoughts that come strangely to you like living winged creatures. They will be informing your choices and actions. A change of mind occurs like this: a rational pan, reasonable and sensible, is suddenly adjusted because an idea came alive in your head. The Sage suggests go with the 'live' idea.

posted September 28, 2015 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
So if in a composite, 111111 and 131313 are opposite, does that mean it's NOT a TF or Soulmates?

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I think it's more of how these aspect the chart not necessarily each other.

posted September 28, 2015 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
No, it isn't. Rather, it tells me exactly what I needed to know, H. I finally understand the level of EXTREME detail that must be undertaken when we're exploring something such as twin flames. Why we can't rely upon single aspects, or even major configurations. It goes SO much deeper than that.

So, I thank you -- sincerely -- for being integral in my being able to at last better understand this. Everyone, really. You have NO idea what breakthroughs have just been made through this thread.

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I NEVER said anywhere in this thread that the only marker you need to look at is 111111, EVER! Like you I was trying to explore one possible marker.

posted September 28, 2015 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I think it's more of how these aspect the chart not necessarily each other.

They give a higher purpose for good or bad depending on the relationship.
In the bad relationship their purpose is to break you down until your reach a "do or die" point and start deeply healing leading you to find your higher purpose.

Or they, in the right relationship, can be the catalyst for your being raised to that same level, allowing you to find your higher purpose.

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I like this interpretation. It also explains why the tSUN would be at 20º Scorpio in the discovery chart, along with an ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction.

Which, we already know, ain't everything sadly. Much like the usage of these two asteroids, it could potentially be very good, or very bad. In the instance where it's very bad, the ISIS-OSIRIS could delude one into thinking they've found a true love soulmate, or worse, their twin flame.

That's why I feel that we do need to undertake these with caution, and only as sort of 'triple-check' of what's already looking like a very solid synastry and composite.

posted September 28, 2015 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I think it's more of how these aspect the chart not necessarily each other.

They give a higher purpose for good or bad depending on the relationship.
In the bad relationship their purpose is to break you down until your reach a "do or die" point and start deeply healing leading you to find your higher purpose.
Or they, in the right relationship, can be the catalyst for your being raised to that same level, allowing you to find your higher purpose through the love in the relationship.

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Thank you, Gabby for your insight!

I am not sure what to make of it. In the chart, 131313 is conjunct the sun and 111111 is opposite the sun. Time will tell, I guess.

posted September 28, 2015 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Thank you, Gabby for your insight!

I am not sure what to make of it. In the chart, 131313 is conjunct the sun and 111111 is opposite the sun. Time will tell, I guess.

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posted September 28, 2015 07:30 PM            

... Guys.

So, you know how composite CHIRON with my false twin is on ALGOL?

Guess what's conjunct it, 0º30?

111111.

It opposes the whole damned stellium; our SUN (2º), MOON (2º), VENUS (0º), VALENTINE (2º), JUPITER (2º) ...

posted September 28, 2015 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

... Guys.

So, you know how composite CHIRON with my false twin is on ALGOL?

Guess what's conjunct it, 0º30?

111111.

It opposes the whole damned stellium; our SUN (2º), MOON (2º), VENUS (0º), VALENTINE (2º), JUPITER (2º) ...

Okay, wow. Now I'm a little taken aback!

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posted September 28, 2015 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm also finding it fascinating that 111111 is only 1º off in each -- the composite with my false twin, where it's conjunct ALGOL, and the composite with my actual twin, where it's nearing the PLEIADES (29º Taurus). I believe the potential of Pleiadean involvement, given the sort of karma with which he and I are dealing. I can even imagine how much worse it would've been had I made the effort to be with my false twin when the 'window was open'. But I don't like to think about that.

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I see things that make me think my TF is false but then things like his asteroid 111111/Uranus/Isis are all on my karma libra@5.....which was on last nights eclipse.

posted September 28, 2015 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I wouldn't call them false twin markers as much as I'd say that, should they appear in a synastry where other false twin features are present, it could be the indication that one is being triggered to perceive their twin flame, falsely.

However, should we find them in synastries and composites with confirmed twin flames, we can study how they might be operating, in this higher-vibrational capacity.

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False twins are soulmates as well and can be beautiful relationships or very challenging, sometimes both beautiful and challenging; that is why I said that they can be a marker for both TF and soulmates but I like were you are heading with it more now and your interpretation I feel fits the discovery chart of 111111 very well as part of the challenge of finding a TF is figuring out which ones are "false" and with that will come the rewards of isis-osiris, venus-poseidon-horus conjunction and the Kite found in the discovery chart.

posted September 28, 2015 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I see things that make me think my TF is false but then things like his asteroid 111111/Uranus/Isis are all on my karma libra@5.....which was on last nights eclipse.

We have a double whammy of these asteroids and karma....

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That's why I think the 'false twin' label, while useful for research, might really be selling these people short. They DID help us grow, evolve, and heal. Even if, in my case, my greatest growth took place when I refused to allow him -- or anyone -- abuse me, ever again.

I think it's more the fact that the eclipse hit your KARMA than anything else, Gabby. Maybe it's time for you to decide when it's going to be the right time to move on. I haven't yet completely. I still feel guilty; like I've abandoned my brother in a crowded subway, because he wouldn't board the train with me. I know. But these are my feelings.

posted September 28, 2015 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
False twins are soulmates as well and can be beautiful relationships or very challenging, sometimes both beautiful and challenging; that is why I said that they can be a marker for both TF and soulmates but I like were you are heading with it more now and your interpretation I feel fits the discovery chart of 111111 very well [b] as part of the challenge of finding a TF is figuring out which ones are "false" and with that will come the rewards of isis-osiris, venus-poseidon-horus conjunction and the Kite found in the discovery chart.

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Exactly, H. That's what I feel as well. And I apologise if I wasn't able to articulate it better. There's a lot that I'm still learning how to express. Some of it's very raw, and can bubble up suddenly; still, I'm learning how to manage all of it as effectively as I'm able.

posted September 28, 2015 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's why I think the 'false twin' label, while useful for research, might really be selling these people short. They DID help us grow, evolve, and heal. Even if, in my case, my greatest growth took place when I refused to allow him -- or anyone -- abuse me, ever again.

I think it's more the fact that the eclipse hit your KARMA than anything else, Gabby. Maybe it's time for you to decide when it's going to be the right time to move on. I haven't yet completely. I still feel guilty; like I've abandoned my brother in a crowded subway, because he wouldn't board the train with me. I know. But these are my feelings.

The love isn't false. The love is real. But the connexion is often a karmic soulmate bond, which requires healing and growth, and then will resolve. The difference with an actual twin flame is that the relationship doesn't end. It evolves with you. And then, you're ready to take on the world -- to help heal it.

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Valid point! Maybe the eclipse is big "HELLO" it's time to let go!! 😢❤️

posted September 28, 2015 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly, H. That's what I feel as well. And I apologise if I wasn't able to articulate it better. There's a lot that I'm still learning how to express. Some of it's very raw, and can bubble up suddenly; still, I'm learning how to manage all of it as effectively as I'm able.

Whew! It's so good to be back on the same page! And why wouldn't we be? We're all in it for the love, after all.

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posted September 28, 2015 09:13 PM            

Anything of value will have a challenge in this case the challenge is Neptunian but in the end Venus-Horus-Poseidon will overcome the challenge and unlock the rewards in the chart I like to think. The end may be for some in this life and others in another life.

Now looking at the 131313 discovery chart I don't know how to feel about it. I would like your input on it; it does have a sun conjunct moon and I think there is a butterfly with Northnode, venus is squaring the nodes and the Sun conjunct Moon is in between the top of the wings! so yes I am thinking yes. Venus would be the theme and purpose of the discovery chart 131313 with Sun conjunct Moon in between the top of the wings formed by Venus and Mercury.

posted September 28, 2015 09:52 PM            

"Sirius (/ˈsɪriəs/) is the brightest star (in fact, a star system) in the Earth's night sky. With a visual apparent magnitude of −1.46, it is almost twice as bright as Canopus, the next brightest star. The name "Sirius" is derived from the Ancient Greek Σείριος (Seirios), meaning "glowing" or "scorcher". "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

"According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians. It also gives danger of dog bites, and two examples of this effect will be found under Procyon. [1]

posted September 28, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptune29:
Yes, I think these are very prominent in case of soul mate connections.
My husband who I feel is my karmic soul mate has
His 111111 trines my sun,Mercury pallas, nessus and Juno exact.0 orbs
His 131313 sextiles my ascendant and Pluto exact
My 131313 trines his Jupiter and moon exact.
My 111111 conjuncts his vertex exact

The guy who I feel a TF connection has
His 111111 and 131313 conjunction which is 0 degree in natal
Semi squares my sun and Mercury 0 orb
Opposites my moon 0 orb
Conjuncts my Venus 1 orb
Trines my mars and true node 1 orb
My 111111 trines his Juno 1 orb
My 131313 conjuncts his IC exact

Let us try this.. Please keep the orb very tight 0-1 and only to planets not asteroids

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posted September 28, 2015 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptune29:

I am not an astrology expert. Please tell me why these are so prominent in both the synastries with my husband
husband and my twin.is it bad? Am I getting deceived?

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posted September 28, 2015 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Sun conjunct Moon, Yin and Yang pairing...plus TF marker.
NN in Siruis....A rise of greatness but with a possibly of a fall from glory.
Very fitting for this because of the exteme caution needed to know which nature of this asteroid will be manifesting in a relationship.

"Sirius (/ˈsɪriəs/) is the brightest star (in fact, a star system) in the Earth's night sky. With a visual apparent magnitude of −1.46, it is almost twice as bright as Canopus, the next brightest star. The name "Sirius" is derived from the Ancient Greek Σείριος (Seirios), meaning "glowing" or "scorcher". "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

"According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians. It also gives danger of dog bites, and two examples of this effect will be found under Procyon. [1]

Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries or attempts on the native’s life. According to tradition, Sirius will give a famous death with honors beyond the grave, if positioned in the 8th house. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This star so placed is most excellent for military, lawyers and civil servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence. "
http://astrologyking.com/fixed-star-sirius/

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NN is on Sirius and Horus conjuncts Northnode.

Sun conjunct moon is a TF marker which is sandwiched by the butterfly wings with venus squaring the nodes making it the theme and purpose of the chart, I am thinking that it can be possibly a TF marker then...

posted September 28, 2015 11:34 PM            

I have a really great synastry with the following person. Whatever his label is, I love him deeply.

I added the asteroids in our charts and found the following.

My 131313 is:
opposite his Moon
opposite his 111111
trine his 131313
trine his Amor
opposite his Valentine