posted October 13, 2015 06:32 PM            

This is what I would like to know:

Pluto-Moon works best when man is Pluto and woman is Moon. I guess the logic behind this is similar to Mar/Venus aspects. After all both aspects are about passion and sex. Pluto-Moon is emotional obsession, Mars-Venus is rather physical and not so much of obsession. It is better if Pluto (and Mars) is male because this planet is a dominant and traditionally women are submissive. Traditionally! (let's not digress into a different discussion of modern times' role reversal in relationships).

Question: Pluto as a dominant, is he/she always the one who is more obsessed? Can this be vice versa depending on
a) Pluto and Moon strength in respective natal charts?
b) The house conjunction falls in?
c) Sign of conjunction

Could you guys give me your personal experiences as examples. But not the way it is done in most other threads ('I have this. I am more obsessed.' etc, just stating a fact). Please! I am more interested in the reason why you think that you as Pluto or you as Moon have an upper hand in relationship.

My example.

Moon Pluto conjunction in Scorpio, 1st house for me. I am Pluto

It will be intense for me, because of 1st house (I think!). Correct?
The guy's Moon is in Scorpio then. Will it make him feel the conjunction stronger than other signs? Or the opposite, maybe Scorpio Moon craves and is used to this roller-coaster of emotions (similar to someone with Moon/Pluto aspects in their natal chart). Is he likely to be then more obsessed than me (Pluto)? Or does the 'rule' stand regardless of all that? I am Pluto so I am the obsessed. Period.

posted October 14, 2015 12:03 PM            

What if you'd be equally obsessed? Scorpio Moon alone tends to be this way. You have Scorpio rising (right?) and Pluto in the 1st so you have this potential too. Join these planets and you can both go nuts, especially if the guy's Moon rules the 1st, 4th or a romance house or is located in one of them.

posted October 14, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Moon-Pluto can obsess on either end and one never knows who is going to lose it first. I can tell from observation and personal experience, the obsession shifts back and forth from Pluto to Moon and back agaibn, and the one who first starts obsessing, and mind you - it usually reaches feverish degrees in a matter of days,) is the one who is more attracted. Doesn't matter if that's the Pluto or the Moon - whoever feels more attracted clicks the obsession button.

It's pretty maddening. Words can't explain it until you experience it.

The scariest thing is that unlike Baron munchausen, you can't pull yourself out of the swamp by your own hair. It's next to impossible to remove yourself from this situation ( in the beginning).

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I have this with my husband, my Pluto on his moon. The orb is wide, almost 6 degrees, but I still count it, because we conform to the readings.

I don't feel like a control freak until he does something totally unexpected and then I'm weirdly desperate to reign him back in, make him act "normal" again.

So in a way he is controlling me, too, because he knows how to elicit that clingy reaction from me.

posted October 14, 2015 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Moon-Pluto can obsess on either end and one never knows who is going to lose it first. I can tell from observation and personal experience, the obsession shifts back and forth from Pluto to Moon and back agaibn, and the one who first starts obsessing, and mind you - it usually reaches feverish degrees in a matter of days,) is the one who is more attracted. Doesn't matter if that's the Pluto or the Moon - whoever feels more attracted clicks the obsession button.

It's pretty maddening. Words can't explain it until you experience it.

The scariest thing is that unlike Baron munchausen, you can't pull yourself out of the swamp by your own hair. It's next to impossible to remove yourself from this situation ( in the beginning).

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I totally agree with Orange. Although I can't attest to the power struggle in a long term relationship as my recent encounters have not progressed in that direction (I may’ve had it with my past lovers, its just I was not dabbing into astrology back then), I can describe to you the dynamic of a relationship with this aspect from my end.

All 3 men that I've recently attracted with Moon/Pluto aspect are all Scorpios. My Pluto is in the 12th House. I also have natal Moon/Pluto square. The dynamic of our interactions is very similar across the border. The common theme is that the minute I start liking them (after a few dates, with an exception of the last one – you can read on that if interested, the link is below), I start to feel this invisible pull towards them. It happens fairly quickly and becomes obsessive really fast. I can't stop thinking about them, even if we don't talk/see each other for weeks at a time.

When I did the synastry on all 3, I saw that I had the Moon/Pluto aspect with all of them, more so, having a double whammy with 2 of the 3!! In all three instances my Moon squares each of the man's Pluto.

In the case of the first Scorp who I met last year around Xmas, who I feel is unevolved and very dark Scorp, with some emotional issues, besides my Moon squaring his Pluto, we also had some other difficult aspects (his Moon opposes my Lilith, our Lilith conjunct, Saturn/Vertex conjunction, etc.) Regardless of us having a lot of strong positive aspects with both Venus in Scorp conjuncting, our Cap Moons conjuncting, double whammy with Moon/Juno conjuncting, etc., the relationship never progressed. He disappeared for a few months and I remember at some point I was almost boarder line obsessing about him, thinking and fantasizing about him for weeks, feeling super sad, even mildly depressed (even cried), it was agonizing. Then as time went on, I just got busy with so many things happening in my life and forgot about him.

He reappeared about 3 months later. We chatted. Thought that maybe he wanted to meet. Was ready to give him another chance. But he didn't. Luckily for me, I was so busy with stuff that I didn't stress over it much. He disappeared again and after a few days I was not thinking about him. He reappeared again after that couple of times and we would always chat like nothing ever happened, like if we just stopped talking yesterday. Interestingly, I always have this warm, almost devotion like feeling towards him, always happy to hear from him but at this point the obsession is gone. But I know that if he were to ask to meet and we met, spent time together with kissing and close body contact involved, I would start obsessing over him again. So I figured that because I am the Moon, even though it’s rather a cold Cap Moon, I am the one who is more attached to him and him being a Pluto (and Sun, Merc and Venus Scorp at that), it’s as if he can somehow sense that and feels that he's got the power in this "relationship."

Now with the second Scorp, there is beyond a simple attraction and a feeling of liking each other that’s been present between us ever since we met. We have Moon/Pluto double whammy. My Moon squares his Pluto and his Pluto trines my Moon. The feeling of longing to be with him is beyond torture. Even now, 5 months after we met, it is as strong and ever present in me. The second we got introduced to each other, the feeling of "knowing" him came over me. It was so overwhelming and he had such a strong emotionally impact on me by the end of our spending time together. The way we met was absolutely unexpected as I was not even supposed to be at that party where we met. That was back in May. He is still in the picture but the relationship has not progressed either. He is just dating and I am not interested in being just another woman he is sleeping with. We squared that situation between us after a few dates and he said that maybe it’s better if we just be friends and put intimacy on hold for now (we haven’t had sex at this point).

However, we can't seem to stay away from each other. During these five months, we’ve always reconnected even after not talking for weeks. We just had a date last weekend and it was supposed to be just casual friends get together for drinks. When we met and hugged, the feeling that took over me was such warmth, love and tenderness that I almost wanted to cry from feeling so happy. All evening I was trying to play cool and act more like a friend, all cheerful and light but soon into the night, he started to act as if it was a romantic date (we hadn't seen each other in over a month after that last conversation when I told him that I was not going to sleep with him unless we were exclusive and he told me that he was not willing to commit to being exclusive without really knowing me). He was touching my arm lightly, holding my hands, giving me compliments, touching my hair, I could just feel that he missed being with me and wanted to be close to me.

At one point, he pulled me towards him and leaned my body against his and kissed my head. It was sooooo sweet. I didn’t let him see how much I liked it but inside, I just melted. During the course of the night I kind of felt that I had the upper hand about the whole situation because I was not letting him see how much I missed him, but he definitely was. But by the end of the night the charge between us was so high, it was just maddening, that we couldn't act as "friends" anymore. We were all over each other at the restaurant and then in the car. I was thinking - wow, what the hell happened to him asking to hold off on the intimacy stuff. He is a Scorp and also has Moon in Aqua and both of our Venus are in Scorpio, so he is really Fixed. The reason why I am telling you all this is to show that there is always this invisible “who has the power over whom” feeling that seems to be present in our interaction with one another.

I can tell you that because his Pluto trines my Moon, I feel sooooooo good just being next to him, it's just this soothing feeling of being familiar. I don’t care where we are, what we do, all I want is just be next to him, even if we are just sitting next to each other and not saying anything. I can't explain it, it's like I am melting inside when I am in his presence. It just feels like I am home, that’s the best way I can describe it. When we don't talk for days, I think of him every day, fantasizing of him, wondering when I would see him again. In the beginning, when we first met, the feeling of wanting to be with him was beyond obsessive for me. I am actually pretty sure that I could feel sometimes when he was thinking of me at a distance (I am an empath/HSP, so that may be why). I was so longing to be with him that I often cried at night when laying in bed and I could not understand why that was happening because I am actually a very emotionally balanced person and typically deal with emotions on more of a logical level. I can tell you that being away from him and not hearing from him for days/weeks definitely cuts deep into my soul. I know that this is 100% past life connection because of the way I felt the second our eyes first met and the way I feel every time I am next to him. It’s something you just know...

Now, with him having his Moon being squared by my Pluto, I think it's a little different for him the way he experiences the emotional connection we share. I feel like he knows that I am so much into him and he feels somewhat empowered by that. It's like we have this invisible power struggle between us and it's something that we can just both feel through the air/distance. Usually it's always on his time/terms when we see each other and I can always feel that he gets a bit tense if I am trying to push my way on him. I can sense that he is very much into me too but I also feel that he has hard time expressing his emotions, being vulnerable and just letting himself feel (I think due to having an Aqua Moon). It's like I can sense the depth of his feelings/thoughts towards me when we are next to each other, but he never says anything. But I just know, so I don't need to ask.

And as for the third Scorp...Well you already know the story and the feelings that have developed between us because I just posted about him a few days ago in this thread (http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003735.html). We also have Moon/Pluto double whammy with my Pluto once again squaring his Moon, however, his Pluto conjuncts my Moon (I think this is what makes it so powerful as I feel like I can’t handle the intensity of what I feel towards this man). Here once again, the feeling of “knowing”, the comfortable feeling of being vulnerable, wanting to share feelings, the depth with which we’ve expressed things to one another, it’s all there and is very heavy and intense. But I am sure that there is a lot of other aspects that add to the way I feel towards him. Whether or not this relationship will ever take off the ground only time will tell but if it does, I can just tell that it will transform both of us mentally, spiritually, and emotionally.

posted October 14, 2015 07:20 PM            

What stories! Damn..You're a Scorpio magnet. All 3 of them Scorpios )) how is it even possible.. And they must be around the same age..Pluto in Libra right? You are a Capricorn Moon, but with Moon/Pluto square. What other aspects you have to your Moon? Oh, and it's in your 3rd house, right? Just trying to figure out what this square means..your Moon in house of communication and their Pluto in your 12th.. Well obviously they stir your deepest emotions in 12th but square from 3rd...something about communicating emotions? or the way you express them with words (in Capricorn manner) I don't know... Help me out anyone who knows. I'd like to learn from these examples. Oh, and we probably also need to check which house your Moon rules for more info.

posted October 14, 2015 08:09 PM            

Moon-Pluto in Libra

posted October 14, 2015 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
CuriousV,

What stories! Damn..You're a Scorpio magnet. All 3 of them Scorpios )) how is it even possible.. And they must be around the same age..Pluto in Libra right? You are a Capricorn Moon, but with Moon/Pluto square. What other aspects you have to your Moon? Oh, and it's in your 3rd house, right? Just trying to figure out what this square means..your Moon in house of communication and their Pluto in your 12th.. Well obviously they stir your deepest emotions in 12th but square from 3rd...something about communicating emotions? or the way you express them with words (in Capricorn manner) I don't know... Help me out anyone who knows. I'd like to learn from these examples. Oh, and we probably also need to check which house your Moon rules for more info.

Something tells me that people with a lot of water enjoy these aspects more, like fish in the water. They can probably withstand all the heat and deal with obsession better, like phoenix. Yeah, fish and phoenixes )) Are you very watery? You said your Venus is in Scorpio.

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Yeah, trust me I have no idea what's happening and why I've been attracting Scorps recently. There is actually another Scorp who is interested in me, I forgot about him because we only had one date and I am not sure if I am feeling anything towards him. So far I am like whatever.

And this is after my divorce from my ex who was also a Scorp, crazy! It had such a damaging impact on me that I vowed to myself that I would never ever date another Scorpio again. I managed to stay away from them suckers for over 12 years, lol. Then starting Dec. of 2014 - BAMMMM! They have been all swirling around me. I am thinking is life playing some karmic lessons on me or what?!

Both second and third Scorps are one year older and one year younger than me respectevely. The first, the dark one is 9 years older than me.

And yes, my Pluto is in 12th H and my Moon is in the 3rd. And I think that you've made quiet a fascinating observation when it comes to how this affects my communication, especially on the emotional level. I am typically unemotional (thanks to Cap Moon), not that I don't have emotions/feelings, I actually feel way too deep since I am an HSP and because of that, as a protective mechanism, I don't show them to others around me. I've just recently realized that I actually have an issue with expressing emotions, doesn't matter whether I am talking to a man or a woman.

Now, what's interesting is that with all three of these Scorps, I have poured my heart and soul out. Not in person though but in writing. I've written such emotional and deep letters that only someone who is madly deeply in love and connected with the other can compose I think. It's like the emotional influence of their Pluto made my Moon just want to spill out the deepest heartfelt emotions without being afraid to feel vulnerable. I don't want to hold my emotions back or hidden from them. I've also written poems while going through all this emotionally charged times with these Scorps, but only with the 1st and 2nd.

So I think that is another tendency that I can draw on when it comes to this Moon/Pluto aspect, at least for me personally.

Oh, and I'm actually not watery at all, mostly earth with a couple of air planets, like ASC, Pluto and Mars. I this the only two planets that I have in water are Venus and Uranus which are both in Scorpio. So not sure why I'd be acting like a magnet for all these Scorps. Go figure...

posted October 19, 2015 04:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
Moon-Pluto can obsess on either end and one never knows who is going to lose it first. I can tell from observation and personal experience, the obsession shifts back and forth from Pluto to Moon and back again, and the one who first starts obsessing, and mind you - it usually reaches feverish degrees in a matter of days,) is the one who is more attracted. Doesn't matter if that's the Pluto or the Moon - whoever feels more attracted clicks the obsession button.

It's pretty maddening. Words can't explain it until you experience it.

The scariest thing is that unlike Baron Munchausen, you can't pull yourself out of the swamp by your own hair. It's next to impossible to remove yourself from this situation ( in the beginning).

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posted February 25, 2017 02:32 AM            

He is more attracted to me than me (like @Orange said "the one who first starts obsessing, is the one who is more attracted"). I've noticed since the first date, he already obsessed about me. After the first date, he wanted to follow me everywhere in real life - he stalked me already through social media but didn't ask to be friend. I got irritated quickly since he was too soon too close to my boundaries and I got irritated more when he gave me silent treatment if I told him I had my own way.

I broke up with him because I felt being forced/pushed too quickly (he liked physical touch/intimacy) and he was not emotionally stable person I've seen. Sometimes I've noticed he tried to play emotional and mind games too. 3 months after the break up, he came back with a statement that we never broke up and he didn't get my call and message, which was a lie (because I called him several time but he didn't pick up and I messaged him several times in different time but he didn't answer it) and I lost my respect.

I still see him stalk my social media. His young sister told me he still misses me and wants me, but I'm not interested anymore.

The other one has wide orb conjunction, again, I am the pluto. We quickly became good friends, because he was in my team. He asked me to be his girlfriend twice (first I rejected him, he was gone then came back many months after and asked me again) in front of our close friends. Again, I don't feel the attraction, we were good friend not more. Since we were in the same team, 4 years he still looked at me from a far whenever I crossed. (I also have forgotten his birthday)

Another one, just grossed. He always talked about sex whenever he could, lead me to the sexting with him and I lost my respect. Wanted to be quick into relationship too. (I also have forgotten his birthday)

The last one has tight orb conjunction, weeks ago we met for the first time. The way he looked at me was very intense that it made me had a mix feeling between uncomfortable and intimidation, but overall I knew he wanted me and wanted to know me more. He didn't talk a lot (it seems he wanted to me to open up first, so he could observe) and I felt more uncomfortable although I ended up talked a lot. I went home and I felt like he was thinking about me, he watched me, his spirit were with me. I remember thinking, "is this obsession? What am I thinking? Why I think like this? Why I think about him all the time? Why I have a hard time to focus?". It was scary and I tried to found out our synastry. There moon/pluto conjunct in tight orb. I knew it wasn't love/attraction within me, it was just an obsession because of how good the feeling of someone really really wanted me (I could see in his eyes and how he presented it), so I didn't want to fall into the trap of the obsession. One day after, I went back to normal, but he still messaged me sometimes, right now he is gone, I know he will come back but I don't put any expectation on it. He has been my friend for years in social media because he was a friend of my cousin, I didn't know about him until he asked me out.

All of them does not show their birthday in any social media (so you need to ask them privately but also good luck to get the detail), very private, rarely updating their social media BUT they are socially active with their friends.

Neither one of them I've been slept with or build deep intimacy, so I think moon/pluto conjunction as a pluto, see the mooners are quick to obsess. Although pluto sometimes are intrigued by the moon.