posted November 28, 2015 05:50 PM            

Based on what I've read around the internet, and on observation too, there is an essential difference between the Vertex and the Anti-vertex. Although they are both involved in connections that feel fated.

The Vertex brings us game changers we weren't expecting. Out of the blue lightening bolts of change and opportunity that lead as in a new direction. Something unexpected comes to light and we often experience some type of internal or external revolution. The Vertex is the 'wild card' part of our chart. We learn about something different and new pertaining our future direction.

The Anti-Vertex is still about fated encounters but in an opposite way. We all have dreams, fears, and fantasies about the sorts of things we suspect may happen to us one day. On an intuitive level it's almost like we expect these sorts of things to come to pass in our lives. The Vertex is about surprising game changers, and the Anti-Vertex is about the spooky premonitions we have about our fated path in life. And how we cope when those premonitions come true.

Transits and synastry to the Vertex bring us 'out there' revelations which set us in a new direction in life. A person with planets on our Vertex can teach us to appreciate things we never even thought about before. It's like a whole new world opens up. The Vertex is kind of like a blind spot in our chart, and when something touches it our eyes are opened to that which we've been missing. What the Vertex brings us is those fateful happenings that are unexpected, and which inspire changes in direction.

Transits and synastry to the Anti-Vertex brings us stuff already existing in the recesses of our minds manifesting in reality. Stuff we always hoped or feared would happen. A person with planets on the Anti-Vertex can feel like a 'dream come true' because they fit our preconceived notions about what we already knew we wanted. Sometimes it can feel like our personal nightmares are coming true, though, if the experience is negative. Whatever the case, you feel as if you could have dreamed up the scenario yourself. Our inner hopes and fears seem to come to life at the Anti-Vertex, and having our suspicions confirmed is a common Anti-Vertex theme. What the Anti-Vertex brings us is those fateful happenings that we expected on an intuitive level, which validate our individual perspective on life.

Sometimes Vertex/Anti-Vertex connections are traumatic and difficult, but mostly I've noticed they bring us positive things.

So a shorthand for thinking about the difference between them is...

The Vertex brings unexpected blessings, and new directions.

The Anti-Vertex brings dreams come true, and validation.

posted November 29, 2015 01:13 AM            

While it can feel like dream manifestation, or 'dreams come true', this is NOT always the case. These are not things as much introduced via the Universe and our own fated plan as they are what we desire.

posted November 29, 2015 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
... Sometimes it can feel like our personal nightmares are coming true, though, if the experience is negative. Whatever the case, you feel as if you could have dreamed up the scenario yourself.

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Right! And this tends to be why. It's almost like gambling using bad (or incomplete) information. That's where these experiences which can seem more like nightmares are often realised, and why.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. I'm dealing with a lot right now. Got bronchitis a few days before my cat took ill (unrelated, of course). He'd been in hospital since Thanksgiving, and was released this morning.

posted November 29, 2015 04:37 AM            

Great description lotus!

posted November 29, 2015 04:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The Anti-Vertex is still about fated encounters but in an opposite way. We all have dreams, fears, and fantasies about the sorts of things we suspect may happen to us one day. On an intuitive level it's almost like we expect these sorts of things to come to pass in our lives. The Vertex is about surprising game changers, and the Anti-Vertex is about the spooky premonitions we have about our fated path in life. And how we cope when those premonitions come true.

Transits and synastry to the Anti-Vertex brings us stuff already existing in the recesses of our minds manifesting in reality. Stuff we always hoped or feared would happen. A person with planets on the Anti-Vertex can feel like a 'dream come true' because they fit our preconceived notions about what we already knew we wanted. Sometimes it can feel like our personal nightmares are coming true, though, if the experience is negative. Whatever the case, you feel as if you could have dreamed up the scenario yourself. Our inner hopes and fears seem to come to life at the Anti-Vertex, and having our suspicions confirmed is a common Anti-Vertex theme. What the Anti-Vertex brings us is those fateful happenings that we expected on an intuitive level, which validate our individual perspective on life.

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Very interesting, although it's not clear to me if in the quoted 2nd paragraph you're talking about experiences of the AVX person in synastry. I just had the experience of a premonition of a scenario in the context of a relationship that came true a few days later. No, I don't feel I "dreamed up the scenario myself." I may be wrong but it seems more like tuning into what was about to manifest, which it did. In the synastry, it's not a planet but nodes - my NN conjunct his AVX and my SN conjunct his VX. Edit: After reading your excellent article, I'll check transiting AVX or transits to natal AVX.

posted November 29, 2015 11:09 AM            

Thank you Lotis.

It's hard for me to grasp the AVX.

Maybe because, if my chart rectification is correct, my experiences with the AVX have been mostly limited to family synastry:

My AVX 23 Gemini
Grandmother's sun 24 or 25 Gemini
Father's NN 20 Gemini
Father's DSC 22 Gemini
Brother's NN 23 Gemini

Probably more where that came from but I don't have everyone's birth times.

It's a little hard to believe one synastry aspect could have so much power, especially without knowing how each conjunction modulates it.

What kind of specific variations are there, when a different point or planet is conjunct our Vertices? What are the nuts and bolts of that synastry...has any research been done?

For example, what is the difference between a moon-Vertex and moon-AVX conjunction? And the difference between moon-Vx and sun-Vx?
That kinda thing.

Anyone have any details like this?

posted November 29, 2015 01:29 PM            

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The Vertex represents something very different. It is the ultimate individuality, the unique creative Self without the reference points of the past. Imagine a pure you, a unique spark of the cosmos, that is not defined by interacting with material existence. The Earth represents our perspective, our pure point of view, our idea of ourselves as an individual element in the greater divinity. An identity without the need for ego defenses. An identity whose only purpose is to take part in that greater divinity in whatever way it can.

Vertex contacts, no matter what end of the axis they hit, assist the process of that divinity directly. This is why Vertex contacts often seem to come ‘out of the blue,’ with no hint, no trace, no preparation. It’s because Vertex contacts aren’t part of a process. We can’t figure out the ‘why’ of a Vertex contact, it just is–and usually the sense of ‘fate’ comes from the fact that something or someone is provided just at the point it is most needed; whether or not we ever knew that we needed it before. In an odd way, the Vertex acts as a secret and sacred ‘helping hand.’ It’s almost Uranian in the way it operates: we might suspect something on the way if a big transit to the Vertex is due, but we have a hard time guessing how it might manifest. And honestly, if we can guess, it usually means that what we guessed is precisely what won’t happen. We might be anticipating a lover, but Vertex contacts are just as likely to manifest as an offer, a friendship, or a turn of mind that takes us down a road we would never have anticipated. We might not even notice the impact until the transit or progression is long past. One of my most profound Vertex transits happened on the day I was offered a new job–the loss of which, a short time later, enabled me to establish myself as a full time astrologer. Without that job (and the loss of it), I wouldn’t be here.

Conjunctions to either end of the axis are the most profoundly felt. Vertex contacts help to reveal our divine fate, but conjunctions to the anti-Vertex are no less profound. The anti-Vertex allows us to process our divinity through the vehicle of ‘other’–when other’s planets fall on our anti-Vertex, we reveal ourselves through the ‘not I.’ Often, anti-Vertex contacts involve commitment and sacrifice beyond the call of duty, and we usually don’t mind fulfilling those commitments because we feel the divine pulse of our own spirit gradually unveiling in our actions. The point of all Vertex contacts is to reveal ourselves from a perspective that is higher and deeper than ordinary conscious awareness. In a way, the Vertex is beyond the Nodes, which are all about the development of consciousness. The Vertex unveils the “Watcher,” in us. The one who knows. The one who is beyond the conscious Self.

Squares from one chart to another’s Vertex axis will stimulate this ‘Self beyond self.’ The Vertex is not an energy that we wrestle with or try to develop, or struggle to integrate. It just is. Squares to the Vertex axis will urge us towards effortless being. Under Venus or Jupiter, we may feel loved or understood for the first time. With the outer planets squaring our Vertex, there may be a shock of removal that clears our path in a painful way. Mars may teach us about sexuality in a way that we never expected.

posted November 29, 2015 05:08 PM            

These readings just seem too overblown.

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Sadly, relationships that are lesson-based are usually short term, and the Vertex is no exception. The trick is to step into them unafraid and unprotected, trusting in the divine wisdom of your own soul’s intelligence.

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We go through life having our Vertex axis hit all over the place by people...so why don't we evolve?

And if we're to trust "our own soul's intelligence," what's another person got to do with it?

Not being confrontational.

Just confused.

I'd like to believe in this stuff...

posted November 29, 2015 05:13 PM            

I think maybe by "lesson-based" she meant "without other factors which give complementary and happy harmony"-- you know?

But yes, I think I understand what you're saying there.

posted November 29, 2015 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
^^ Yeah i sort of disagreed with that part too.

I think maybe by "lesson-based" she meant "without other factors which give complementary and happy harmony"-- you know?

But yes, I think I understand what you're saying there.

It was largely the first part of the article I was wanting to share because it gave me a good intuitive grasp of the actual vertex.

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Yeah...I mean, definitely there have been people who just wandered through my life and affected me with a kind of force, disproportionate to what actually was said, or what transpired. And it has seemed like this was beyond regular synastry. So I have like a box of weird memories in my brain that I want to label "Fun w/ Vertex " but I'm not sure if that's what it is?

It's all kind of elusive for me at this point.

Would love to hear more stories in keeping with the Vertex narrative in the article you posted.

posted November 29, 2015 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Also, I like healthy discussion and challenges! That's where we can learn a lot, discussing things in greater depth.

I think maybe we do evolve often. Could be we walk by people on the street and our vertices are engaged and something happens which sets off a chain of events for us... one smile or nod subtly changes things and our faith in humanity increases.. stuff like that eh?

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Well for me with my Sag/Gemini Vertex axis...yeah they would just be passing through...as Gems and Sags do. Even if they stay, they change.

But I really loved my grandmother:

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A person with planets on the Anti-Vertex can feel like a 'dream come true' because they fit our preconceived notions about what we already knew we wanted.

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posted November 29, 2015 06:25 PM            

so the vertex is not just a mathematical, philosophical point , but an active field of energy. the vertex seems to give the moon's nodes their power as the nodes are defined at the vertex intersection with the moon's orbit.
and lilth also gets it power from the vertex as the lilth axis is on the plane of the moon and suns orbit and hence the vertex/ecliptic.this is why I place great emphasis on aspects to lilth.
my take on the vertex is that it is the plane or energy/conscious that sustains the earth and all forms of consciousness on the earth.but the vertex is undifferentiated primal energy so moon's nodes give limits and definition to this cosmic energy for applications to the soul of man/animals/flora and minerals.

astrologically my take is that the vertex is the energy of the astral and vital planes
my belief is that life and consciousness are on the earth because of the energy of the vertex, keeping in mind that the earth is the only planet in the solar system that is coplanar with the vertex/ecliptic. the vertex energy is always running though us, unlike the other planets when the vertex energy is only running through them when they are at 0 latitude.i don't think consciousness can evolve on the other planets with maybe the exception of Uranus because ,I believe Uranus is always within 1 degree of the vertex/ecliptic.

posted November 29, 2015 09:58 PM            

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in the late 1980's as I recall, nasa put a group of satellites around the sun to study it.at one point just for fun nasa aimed all the camera outward. what they saw was a plane of golden irradiating energy emanating from the sun's equator,the ecliptic/vertex. so the vertex is not just a mathematical, philosophical point , but an active field of energy ...

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posted November 30, 2015 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Sorry to hear Aubs sending you love and light 🙏

Great description lotus!

I asked this in the other thread but didn't get an answer.
Do declinations count when it comes to the vertices? And if so, how are they felt differently ?

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Hi EmGem,

posted November 30, 2015 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Sorry to hear Aubs sending you love and light 🙏

Great description lotus!

I asked this in the other thread but didn't get an answer.
Do declinations count when it comes to the vertices? And if so, how are they felt differently ?

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Thanks, Em. And, totally missed this. Sorry for that.

With declinations, it can seem more subtle, but the influences are deeply karmic. They feel even more out of our control. The parallel is within our purview, but the contraparallel tends to be 'outsourced' to others, in order to bring us lessons which will help us clear the karma surrounding the declination aspect.

posted November 30, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Logical, given the way it 'operates' in a chart, but I'd love to see any articles proving your aforementioned recollection.

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well I have no need to prove anything to you . if you'd love to have proof, you need to go to the library and look through sciencenews in the late 80's or look up the nasa's helios program.

todd

posted November 30, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Todd, speaking of lilith. It's quite prominent in my synastry and composite with a soulmate. What would your take on composite lilith (bml) conjunct moon in the first house be? This conjuncts both our moons in the natal too..

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posted November 30, 2015 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Very interesting, although it's not clear to me if in the quoted 2nd paragraph you're talking about experiences of the AVX person in synastry. I just had the experience of a premonition of a scenario in the context of a relationship that came true a few days later. No, I don't feel I "dreamed up the scenario myself." I may be wrong but it seems more like tuning into what was about to manifest, which it did. In the synastry, it's not a planet but nodes - my NN conjunct his AVX and my SN conjunct his VX. Edit: After reading your excellent article, I'll check transiting AVX or transits to natal AVX.

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Hi Peony,

Yeah, intuiting what's about to happen and then experiencing it manifest sounds like an Antivertex type of deal. It's kind of hard to convey the meaning of an entire concept in a few sentences. With Antivertex transits and synastry it's kind of like whatever is floating around in our psyche is dredged up as part of some realistic scenario in our lives. This presumably could include us simply being able to intuitively tap into what's coming, so that when it does happen it's not a surprise, but rather a confirmation of what we sensed. So it's like the Antivertex has a bit of psychic radar to it.

At the Vertex we're more oblivious and that's why the Vertex can blindside us (in transits and synastry) out of the blue. But at the Antivertex there's always this sense of 'knowing' there.

Often, the Antivertex does bring into our lives scenarios and people that we've got strong preconceptions, hopes, and fears, about (this is where we encounter that which we feel we could have 'dreamed up' beforehand). Here, it feels as if the outer world is responding to our inner thoughts and desires.

Other times, as you stated from your experience, it's like we're simply tapping into what is coming down the pipe (whether we could have 'dreamed up' the situation or not). That's the Antivertex's psychic radar at work. Here, it's like we are tapping into what's about to occur in the outer world, rather then to the outer world appearing to respond to our thoughts and desires.

posted December 01, 2015 01:26 AM            

Auby, if Aries has his anti-vertex parallel my sun/mercury/venus/jupiter - all pretty much within 20 seconds, do you think he would have an awareness of this impact or is it more of an unconscious energy? Is it eventually brought to consciousness like the conjunction?

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Originally posted by todd:
that pattern definitely has a soulmate aura to it because it potentially shows a common past life knowledge/experience that integrates with the present life congruence of all emotion and subconscious impressions. when the moon is conjunct to lilth the node or the vertex, it is symbolic of a primal awareness and therefor the other aspects become very important when trying to get specfic astrological characteristic.
in your composite the house position would reinforce the soulmate nature of your relationship.
todd

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Thanks Todd! You're pretty much on the money there. 'Soulmate' is definitely the tone of our relationship. Well aware and spoken about with each other too.
Both h21 and h22 are conjunct the composite moon in fact, opposite priapus/vertex conjunction in the 7th.