posted December 14, 2015 05:17 AM            

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posted December 14, 2015 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think I`d rather much dread a scattered 9th harmonic chart.
Or one with an unaspected Venus and/or Moon and because it is the 9th harmonic chart I`d add Juno to the equation.

What I took from the video
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a) analysis of each personīs own 9th harmonic in terms of:

° symmetrical aspectconfigurations (for example: T-square, grand Cross, Grand Trine etc. - personally I also check for the Pythagorean triangle, though it is assymetrical, but as a large closed pattern I consider it important)

° stellia within about 9 degrees, which means these planets natally are either in conjunction or in any of the 9th harmonic aspects to each other (I use 9 degree, cause a 9 degree conj. in 9th harmonic, would appear as a 9th harmonic aspect within 1 degree in natal chart, and I do not use much more than 1 degree with noviles in the natal chart. David Cochrane uses a 16 degree orb for the conjunction in harmonic charts for one person, not synastry)

° I then check if there are aspects to such stellia, even if not making a closed pattern; in fact I think those might become VITAL in the synastry for someone else might be closing such a pattern for us

° I investigate the aspects of Moon, Venus and Juno, because they are especially thematically relevant.

I mean if there is an unaspected Uranus or Neptune in the 9th harmonic chart, so be it.
But no Venus, Moon nor Juno?
I guess that would give me a big UOH-sign.

Also, of course it is always relevant if there are aspects of Venus, Moon or Juno to each other or to Sun (and I think also to Jupiter and Saturn), even if not in a complex aspect pattern.

One word on orbs: They are different in harmonic astrology.
Cochrane sais he uses 8° for a conjunction in synastry, which means that the orbs for the other aspects are approximately those:

opposition 4°
trine and square 2-3°
sextile 1,5°
quinkunx, semisquare, sesisquare 1°

roughly, of course we could make an accurate calculation of these (the basis is always the conjunction orb: opposition is that orb divided by 2, because the opposition is the 2nd harmonic, trine is the orb divided by 3, because it is the 3rd harmonic and so on; the beauty of this approach is,t hat the orbs stay consistent, no matter what harmonic you look at; and we have to keep in mind that an opposition in the 9th harmonic is not a true opposition but could be a sextile in the natal chart, or simply an aspect of 20° and its multiples).

Of course the strongest aspects are still the closest, and those coinciding with a midpoint picture with an orb of 0°30 and less. (direct midpoints only, conjunction and opposition)

synastry

° activation of each natals most relevant patterns by overlaying/ conjunct at least one corner of it

° pattern completion

° synastric stellia and their aspects

° (isolated) aspect to each Moon, Venus, Juno, (Sun)

be careful with interpreting angles though (ASC, MC, Vertex), while those are absolutely important, you can only use them if your birthtime is absolutely correct, and only in terms of conjunctions, as even if your birthtimes is just maybe 5 minutes off you might end up with a totally different ASC-degree, as you can imagine. the 9th harmonic chart is being calculated by multiplaying each degree by 9.
This is especially true for people with the fast rising ascendents like Aquarius, Pisces and Aries. They can be a nightmare in harmonic astrology, as they are just SOOOOO timesensitive.

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^^ Worth repeating!

Thank you for taking the time to establish all those "ground rules."

Eh, my husband and I have Juno opposing Pluto DW, tight orbs.

You better marry me or else! And stay married!

posted December 14, 2015 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Hi Faith! Great topic
Wow, this is very interesting I see a precise pattern

[b]Natal:
A's Moon squares B's Saturn exact
A's Moon trines B's Ceres exact
Again!
9th Harmonic:
A's Moon squares B's Saturn (1)
A's Moon conjuncts B's Ceres (1)

others...
Sun trine Mean Node DW exact
Venus conjunct Venus (1)
Venus square Pluto DW (1-2)
Mars square Saturn (2)

Heavy, Committed love/romance?
Thanks for sharing! [/B]

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Hi Moonfish!

That does look intense. Venus-Venus, Venus-Pluto, moon-Saturn....

I hope it works out for you, if that's your wish. Moon-Ceres is sweet and hopefully could take the edge off the more difficult stuff.

posted December 14, 2015 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
ooooh I'll just post the pics. too many aspects to note!
Mr Aries and I.
Are we good match?

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Your Venus 20 Sag
Your Valentine 18 Sag
Your Juno 16 Sag
His Eros 18 Sag
His Venus 18 Sag
His moon 23 Sag

^^ His Mars 16 Aries aspecting some of that
So is his 21 Leo Valentine
And your 19 Libra NN

Your Venus 16 Aqua
His Uranus 17 Aqua

Your Saturn 20 Scorpio
His sun 23 Scorpio
His Jupiter 27 Scorpio
His Juno 18 Scorpio

Well there are plenty of goodies but I don't know what it takes to see (or hear) wedding bells in the future.

posted December 14, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Astrology is freaking me out right about now. (In a good way)

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posted December 14, 2015 10:53 AM              

it was a rather sponateous write up.

also meant to say to pay attention to DW of course.

I also have one or two words on the meaning of the 9th harmonic chart, as I feel "marriage" chart or "soulmate" or "happiness" chart can be misleading terms.

My personal take on it is that it represents happiness in the term of contentment or satisfaction, that is being achieved by getting the feeling of being part of something larger, hence it also relates to the community, about how we contribute and how we feel we belong. Of course that could be the twosome, but usually it is more than that. It instills a feeling of meaning and meaningfulness, like finding a (practical) purpose in life.

After all it is the harmonic of the "pure 3" (3x3), it extends beyond the twoness towards completion by introducing a third element, whatever that is, children, family, community, peergroup, even the creator.

posted December 14, 2015 10:57 AM            

Would you consider this action significant?
chart A: Moon>Jupiter<Uranus t-square
chart B: Pluto>Uranus<Moon t-square

posted December 14, 2015 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you, Faith,

it was a rather sponateous write up.

also meant to say to pay attention to DW of course.

I also have one or two words on the meaning of the 9th harmonic chart, as I feel "marriage" chart or "soulmate" or "happiness" chart can be misleading terms.

My personal take on it is that it represents happiness in the term of contentment or satisfaction, that is being achieved by getting the feeling of being part of something larger, hence it also relates to the community, about how we contribute and how we feel we belong. Of course that could be the twosome, but usually it is more than that. It instills a feeling of meaning and meaningfulness, like finding a (practical) purpose in life.

After all it is the harmonic of the "pure 3" (3x3), it extends beyond the twoness towards completion by introducing a third element, whatever that is, children, family, community, peergroup, even the creator.

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That is good stuff, Ceri!

But how do we interpret our 9th harmonic chart in that light? I mean, it's easy to see conjunctions and pattern completions in synastry.

But to just read the chart as a map of one's happiness....I don't know how to. I mean, how would a t-square become happiness?

Do we just look at pattern completion alone?

posted December 14, 2015 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Hey, can I join the game?

Would you consider this action significant?
chart A: Moon>Jupiter<Uranus t-square
chart B: Pluto>Uranus<Moon t-square

Both Moons turn these t-squares into grand crosses.

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So far so good!

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Conjunctions to the apexes:
Jupiter conjunct Pluto 1.43
Uranus conjunct Uranus 3.03, Vertex 1.00, Sun 3.46

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posted December 14, 2015 01:09 PM            

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Any sun-moon aspects?

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posted December 14, 2015 01:29 PM            

Him

Seeking clarity. I'm very grateful for this thread. I was not sure whether to look at aspects other than conjunction in a 9th harmonic but it seems that we do... So, still getting my head around this one. Any insight appreciated. How do we read oppositions here?

Ceri, when you say you'd be concerned about a lack of Juno/Moon/Venus aspects, do you mean all these should be aspected or at least some kind of thing? Sorry if that's a silly question

posted December 14, 2015 01:46 PM              

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Hey, can I join the game?

Would you consider this action significant?
chart A: Moon>Jupiter<Uranus t-square
chart B: Pluto>Uranus<Moon t-square

Both Moons turn these t-squares into grand crosses.
Conjunctions to the apexes:
Jupiter conjunct Pluto 1.43
Uranus conjunct Uranus 3.03, Vertex 1.00, Sun 3.46

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posted December 14, 2015 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by alegna:
Are we meant to compare 9th harmonic to the natal? or just the 9th harmonic charts to each other, for synasric analysis, ?

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from the video that Faith posted that i watched twice yesterday, from what i understood alegna David Cochrane compared just the 9th harmonic charts to eachother for synastric analysis. he focused on important geometric symmetries that stood out, and he payed lots of attention to the moon and venus, he was looking for all kind of aspects that would activate Brad Pitt's grand trine and/or his moon and venus to Angelina's moon opposition she had which remarkably did activate.

posted December 14, 2015 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, very significant, the resonance as well as the pattern completion, omitting the Uranus-Uranus, but the Sun-Uranus is MAJOR and the Jupiter-Pluto is big, too.
Reminds me of the entertainment industry somehow. lol
Big buisness/ success, grand influence along with super fame and electric sparks and totally craziness that is so much fun.

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Wheee, wanna see my irrelevant charts?
What do you think about an exact (well, probably) square from his Mars to my ASC-DSC?

posted December 14, 2015 02:04 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
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But to just read the chart as a map of one's happiness....I don't know how to. I mean, how would a t-square become happiness?

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It`s dynamic and active, you are actively doing something for contributing to your community, and that energizes you. It depends on the planets involved though.

With the trines you are more complacent, more leaning back and mumnbling"Oh this is nice" expecting someone to give you a foot massage, and if they donīt, it`s somehow alright as well, but with the T-square you feel a drive and urge to make things happen. It`s an "I WANT THAT" aspect.

and yes, pattern completion is MAJOR, but it is not the only thing we consider.
But whatever we start with the individual 9th harmonic charts.

For example my mum has a T-square of Mars-Uranus-opposition to Sun.
She derives a feeling of meaningfulness and therefore inner fulfillment and happiness by being different, by making improvements and implementing changes in her environment.
She cofounded an organization for integrating people who are mentally handicapped (and often with Down syndrome) into society and creating a place for them and their family to come together and exchange thoughts and spend leisure time.

She still recalls the time, not even that long ago, when so many families would keep their mentally handicapped relatives inside their homes, partially to hide them and protect them from the other people`s ignorance, but also partially because there were just no offers to spend their free time outside.

My mom wanted to change that, along with others, and within just a few years they did. Changing the face of society, at least in our town and others nearby.

Uranus is so apt as description of that, symbolizing the revolutionary tendencies, the humanitarian progressive approach (and she fought for it, she was not just thinking: wouldn`t it be nice?
She went out there and MADE the change happen - I doubt she could have done that if the aspects had been a sextile or a trine - a grand trine being the exception to that), she (Sun) made (Mars) a difference (Uranus).

Apart from that it also tells us about her need for being appreciated as an individual, for freedom, for walking to her own tune, thinking her own thoughts.

Maybe Mars also tells us something about the type of man she would be drawn to, here in strong aspect to Sun and Uranus.
And it turns out my Dad is an Aquarius.

Also, speaking of synastry, my Dad transforms this T-square of hers into a grand Cross by putting his Venus-MC-conjunction in opposition to her Sun (magnetic attraction and affection), and squaring her Uranus (love at first sight) and Mars (not going to go into this. lol)

All of this being in the 9th harmonic, it seems to serve a larger purpose, those feelings generated just seem a little more meaningful and appear to have pushed both of them to become a part of the community, as a couple (and also setting an example in terms of even of how to keep love fresh. You should see them dance with each other! actually whenever they do, people can`t keep their eyes off them. There`s jsut that certain something about them together. BTW Uranus in aspect to Venus and Mars often relates to dancing, too, or whereevr you need a good coordination of the body).

Interestingly my Dad`s Eros falls onto his Venus exact, and my Mum`s Psyche is just a bit more than a degree away. (I usually do not count asteroids as completion of pattern, but this is an added extra here).

Also my Dad`s Ceres falls onto my Mum`s Mars, and she often recalls how he was one of the first dads in the 70`s who would be seen pushing the buggy, when most men still thought that as "unmanly" or a "woman`s job".

posted December 14, 2015 02:07 PM              

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Originally posted by alegna:
or just the 9th harmonic charts to each other, for synasric analysis, ?

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Just 9th to 9th harmonic

posted December 14, 2015 02:10 PM              

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]Any sun-moon aspects?

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posted December 14, 2015 02:11 PM              

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
How would it play out if someone's 9th harmonic sun and Venus is conjunct the progressed composite sun/Venus with another person? Would it be very significant?

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