posted December 15, 2015 05:28 PM            

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I donīt know how it is called, though in Magi astrology I think they call it "fortress", but I find it to be a very intriguing one, too. It is stable, definitely, and a closed pattern; once you`re in, you`re probably not getting out that easily.

posted December 15, 2015 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It would mean that the people in question have Moon conjunct/novile/binovile/trine/quadranovile Moon at close to exact orb in their synastry.
Yes, of course it would mean something. Good chances of feelings of emotional belonging, however you need to check how the Moons are integrated in the 9th harmonic charts, individually and synastrically.

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Hmmm ceri we have our moons conjunct by 1 degree in synastry but in the 9th harmonic they aren't. I thought they would show up as a conjunction there too going by what you say above?!

posted December 15, 2015 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
It's a brand new world full of possibilities!!!

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posted December 15, 2015 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
This has gone way beyond what I'm capable of understanding.
Ceri, you are so awesome!
I still don't get it, though. 😳

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Let's just console ourselves that we could get it if we had the right software.

I got a high score on my math SAT's, astrology shouldn't break my back like this.

posted December 15, 2015 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Let's just console ourselves that we could get it if we had the right software.

I got a high score on my math SAT's, astrology shouldn't break my back like this.

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I don't doubt at all that I could get it and completely understand.
My problem is I have all of about 15 seconds to do it. Then I move on.
Shamefully I admit that I've not finished the video even!

posted December 15, 2015 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Shamefully I admit that I've not finished the video even!

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Well it's Christmas time.

posted December 16, 2015 01:21 AM              

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
This has gone way beyond what I'm capable of understanding.
Ceri, you are so awesome!
I still don't get it, though. 😳

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posted December 16, 2015 01:31 AM              

" my husband's 9th harmonic NN-Eros @ 22 Scorpio is conjunct your sun."
Haha, so he would be totally enarmoured with me.
Nah I guess not. He`s got you after all.

"^^^ Fascinating...and he's single?"
nope, of course not. What would be the fun in it?
lol

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Aye, and Mercury-Mercury aspects would be tops, wouldn't they?"
Actually I was more thinking about their Mercury to a relationship planet like Moon, Venus, Juno, Sun or Mars.

posted December 16, 2015 01:36 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Ceri

I love how you mapped everything out!

You have it down to a science.

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LOL

Must be the MC= Mercury/Saturn.

And then I do have a pretty strong 7th harmonic chart. Cochrane does not attribute the usual meansings to it like spirituality, fatedness, destiny, irrationality, imagiation etc, but instead relates it to introversion, focus, concentration, the ability to do that mental work most people shy away from.

And that is how my 7th harmonic looks:

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It`s possibly a very definiing harmonic for me.

posted December 16, 2015 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@LionFish

Such a cute pic! You two look really happy. Was that your wedding day?

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Thank you! The photographer took pics of that whole conversation lol And yes it was our wedding day We both had nothing but smiles all night long.

@ Ceri

posted December 16, 2015 01:41 PM              

you`re better than me. I had to look it up in my harmonic astrology books (yes, plural, I read more than one. lol)

If you multiply the basic harmonic chart number you are lookin at with the harmonic of the aspect as it appears in that harmonic chart, the result is the harmonic aspect these two planets are in in your natal.
Complicated,r ight?
Thought so,t oo.

Anyway, it is I belive easy with the 4th harmonic chart.
So you pull up a 4th harmonic chart. All aspects that belong to the 4th harmonic and the lower harmonics (1st and 2nd, but not 3) will appear as conjunctions in the 4th harmonic chart.

That means not only planets in square in natal, but also planets that conjunct or oppose each other will appear as conjunctions in this chart (which is why it is important to check back with the natal, what aspect it really is).

Now if you have that 4th harmonic and you detect an opposition in there- the opposition is a 2nd harmonic aspect.
You can now multiply those two numbers 4x2 and that gives you the harmonic of the natal aspect, as it appears in your natal. So an 8th harmonic aspect (semisquare, sesisquare).

That means that all semisquares and sesisquare in your natal appear as opposition in the 4th (2x4)harmonic chart or as conjunction in the 8th harmonic (1x8) chart.

For example:
In the 9th harmonic synastry chart Mr Sag`s Mars is semisquare my Venus, hence an 8th harmonic aspect (under 1 degree). So I got curious as to what kind of aspect that would be in natal.

So multiplying 9x8 gives 72. So a 72th harmonic aspect, which means there should be a conjunction of his Mars and my Venus in the 72th harmonic chart.

I was rather skeptical, so I pulled up the 72th harmonic charts, it gives us:

my Venus 21° Gemini
(and my Jupiter 27 gemini - it is still in orb!)
his Mars 19° Gemini

so rather close and that means that that 5 degree trine in our natal synastry, in harmonic astrology really is a 72th harmonic aspect (I know how ridiculous that sounds. LOL)

Nevertheless the 72th harmonic chart, whatever it means or represents, seems to be quite significant in our synastry, which I would never have seen without pulling up those charsts today but there is also:

my Sun 7 Gemini
his Venus 6 Gemini

my Uranus 7 Cancer
(my Vx 17 Cancer)
his Node 9 Cancer
his Pluto 9 Cancer

my Saturn 20 Leo
my Juno 21 Leo
(my Moon 1 Virgo)
his Sun 21 Leo
his Ceres 26 Leo

his Jupiter 11 Aries

in fact I have a large stellium in this harmonic (remember 16° for a conjunction in harmonic are the proposed orb by Cochrane)

my Neptune 26 Pisces
my MC 27 Pisces
my Chiron 02 Aries
my Mercury 03 Aries
my NN 11 Aries
my Mars 12 Aries

Whatever, that is a whole bunch of 72th harmonic aspects. lol

Of course the 72th harmonic picks up lower harmonics like the 1st (conjunction), 2nd (opposition), 3rd (trine) etc.

If you break it down, it is a variation, a higher octave if you want of the 9th harmonic I think

any 72th harmonic aspect would appear as

72th harmonic aspect in the natal (well it`s a 5° aspect of course. lol any two planets which are EXACTLY 5 degrees apart, or any multiple of 5 degrees, will appear in the 72th harmonic)

36th harmonic in the 2nd harmonic chart

24th harmonic in the 3rd harmonic chart

and so on.

it has something to do with resonances, as he explains in his book. If you pluck a string on your guitar you get a certain Note, let`s ay `E`.
If you now shorten the length of the string to half of its original length and pluck it, you will also get an ``E``, just an octave higher.
But it still will be the same note.

Same happens with harmonics in astrology, if I understand it right.

There are families of harmonic, and you derive at them by doubling the numbers. Not sure where 72th harmonic falls here though.

oh yes, the 9th harmonic family of course.

9th - 18th - 36th - 72th

(he gives the example of the 3rd family:
3rd - 6th - 12th - 24th - 48th etc.

the higher ones are all higher octaves of the 3rd harmonic, and therefore resonate and are similiar to this one, and therefore all conjunctions, oppositions and trines would appear as conjunctions in the higher harmonics, too).

the difference is that, it gets more subtle if you come to the higher harmonics.

As he puts it the lower harmonics are more visible and external, while the higher ones are more internalized and not that obvious maybe.

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But then mir was saying:

"A 20/40/80/120/160 aspect of 1 deg is already an orb of 9 deg in the 9th harmonic comp"

And I don't know why 60 is not in that sequence. Is that an error or does 60 really not belong?

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I think you already explained it with your elaboration that followed.

No, 60 degree do not belong here, as the basis of the 9th harmonic aspect is 40°.
However of course any sextile will show up in the 9th harmonic chart as well - as opposition.

it belongs to the 18th harmonic (well actually it is the 6th harmonic, but 18th is a multiple of that, so it counts).

it`s a 20° aspect as the basis, however we do multiply these aspects and the sextile is actually an 3/18 aspect, as if we multiply the basic distance (20 degrees) of the 18th harmonic with 3, we end up at 60 degrees.

posted December 16, 2015 01:47 PM              

"And that's all based on septiles, right?"
Yes, but also including the ocnjunction of course.
As for example my Sun-Mercury are conjunct, not septile, my Vertex-Eros are conjunct as well.

"I can't get over that sun-moon-Vertex opposing Pluto, or the grand cross."
Sun is septile Moon.
Sun is tri-septile Vertex and Eros.
Moon is triseptile Vertex and Eros.

That means that my exact midpoint picture of
Vertex= Sun/Moon actually resonates with the 7th harmonic, as it is the result of these aspects.
I am pretty sure someone with the same midpoint picture but on the basis of a 4th harmonic or a 3rd harmonic might experience it a ltitle differently (maybe more dynamic and active or more flowing-harmonious and at ease)

since Pluto is opposite this in 7th harmonic chart, it means it really is in 14th harmonic aspect to my Sun, Moon and Vertex in my natal.

"ETA: With 8 orbs, your Mercury and Eros are in with the moon-sun and Vertex too!"
They are. It is just a wee bit out of one degree orb in my natal.

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Are you half alien?? They say septile is like an alien energy..."
LOL
But yes, people have alluded to that before.

posted December 16, 2015 03:13 PM            

I felt bad asking you to untangle the knots in my brain so I erased it. Hopefully I can follow your lesson....'will try that later. Thanks so much for taking the time to explain.

posted December 16, 2015 06:19 PM            

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If you multiply the basic harmonic chart number you are lookin at with the harmonic of the aspect as it appears in that harmonic chart, the result is the harmonic aspect these two planets are in in your natal.

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Simple formula! Wonderful <3

So I'm looking at my 4th harmonic chart...

As expected, I have sun conjunct Jupiter there, in keeping with my sun-Jupiter natal square.

Orb of natal square is 0.14
Now because it's 4th Harmonic, I just multiply that by 4...

4 x .14 = .56

And hooray, the orb of sun-Jupiter conjunction in 4th Harmonic is 0.55

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I also have sun square Pluto in my natal, with an orb of 4.05.

4 x 4.06 = 16.24

Orb between sun and Pluto in 4th Harmonic is
16.23. Obviously I'm not calculating with seconds.

So far, so good.

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That means not only planets in square in natal, but also planets that conjunct or oppose each other will appear as conjunctions in this chart (which is why it is important to check back with the natal, what aspect it really is).

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K, I'm following all that and seeing it in my 4th Harmonic chart.

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Now if you have that 4th harmonic and you detect an opposition in there- the opposition is a 2nd harmonic aspect.
You can now multiply those two numbers 4x2 and that gives you the harmonic of the natal aspect, as it appears in your natal. So an 8th harmonic aspect (semisquare, sesisquare).

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Natally I have Mars semisquare Saturn, and they appear as an opposition in the 4th harmic.

45 (semisquare) x 4 = 180

^^ More or less. The exact numbers here are

16.01 Gemini Mars
0.36 Leo Saturn
Orb is 0.25 according to the aspect chart

44.35 x 4 = 177.4, 2.20 Orb

Now in the 2nd Harmonic, they are square:

Mars 2.02 Virgo
Saturn 1.13 Sag

The aspect chart says the orb now is 0.49...approximately double the natal 0.25.

90 (square) - 0.49 = 89.11 orb

And that's what we see there.

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You can now multiply those two numbers 4x2 and that gives you the harmonic of the natal aspect, as it appears in your natal. So an 8th harmonic aspect (semisquare, sesisquare).

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So, in the 4th Harmonic, we see how an opposition is created by

4 X n = 180
n = 45

Which of course pertains to the semisquare (45) and sesquisquare (135).

I don't really know why you did 4 X 2, except 4 represents the Harmonic chart we're working on, and 2 represents the opposition (splitting the zodiac in two pieces.) Is that right?

Sure enough Mars and Saturn are conjunct in the 8th Harmonic, with an orb of 3.17.

Natal orb 0.25, multiplied by 8...

.50 + .50 = 1.40 degrees
1.40 + 1.40 = 3.20

So we're good.

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In the 9th harmonic synastry chart Mr Sag`s Mars is semisquare my Venus, hence an 8th harmonic aspect (under 1 degree). So I got curious as to what kind of aspect that would be in natal.

So multiplying 9x8 gives 72. So a 72th harmonic aspect, which means there should be a conjunction of his Mars and my Venus in the 72th harmonic chart.

I was rather skeptical, so I pulled up the 72th harmonic charts, it gives us:

my Venus 21° Gemini
(and my Jupiter 27 gemini - it is still in orb!)
his Mars 19° Gemini

so rather close and that means that that 5 degree trine in our natal synastry, in harmonic astrology really is a 72th harmonic aspect (I know how ridiculous that sounds. LOL)

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Breaking this down:

1. Take the number of the Harmonic chart you are working on.
2. Notice the aspect two planets make.
3. Relate that aspect to the Harmonic chart in which that aspect forms a conjunction; note the number of that Harmonic chart.
4. Multiply the numbers from steps 1 and 3.
5. The answer tells you in which Harmonic chart that aspect becomes a conjunction.

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so rather close and that means that that 5 degree trine in our natal synastry, in harmonic astrology really is a 72th harmonic aspect (I know how ridiculous that sounds. LOL)

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No, not ridiculous. After I've considered how the orbs determine so much....

5 x 72 = 360

But maybe that's a coincidence.

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any two planets which are EXACTLY 5 degrees apart, or any multiple of 5 degrees, will appear in the 72th harmonic

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Oh yay, not a coincidence!

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any 72th harmonic aspect would appear as

36th harmonic in the 2nd harmonic chart

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Meaning the aspect will be evenly divisible by ten, in the 2nd harmonic?
360/36 = 10

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24th harmonic in the 3rd harmonic chart

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Easily divisible by 15 in the 3rd harmonic?
360/24 = 15

I think I'm getting it.

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There are families of harmonic, and you derive at them by doubling the numbers. Not sure where 72th harmonic falls here though.

oh yes, the 9th harmonic family of course.

9th - 18th - 36th - 72th

(he gives the example of the 3rd family:
3rd - 6th - 12th - 24th - 48th etc.

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Got it...I was thinking of multiples of each number creating a family, not doubling the numbers...

Ugh then I suppose the odd-number Harmonics are always the product of decimal degrees?

27th Harmonic for example...is related to the 13th harmonic? Or are these not agreeable to being in families?

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the higher ones are all higher octaves of the 3rd harmonic, and therefore resonate and are similiar to this one, and therefore all conjunctions, oppositions and trines would appear as conjunctions in the higher harmonics, too).

the difference is that, it gets more subtle if you come to the higher harmonics.

As he puts it the lower harmonics are more visible and external, while the higher ones are more internalized and not that obvious maybe.

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Good to know...I put that part in bold because I like it especially.

I like that you and Mr Sag are still tight in the 72nd Harmonic.

"my Sun 7 Gemini
his Venus 6 Gemini"

Awwww

I see my 72nd harmonic Venus is conjunct Uranus with only 0.02 orb...yes, deep deep inside, I know how much I love weirdos...

I also have exact NN-Mercury and Mars-Jupiter-MC there...with my MC being theoretical, unofficial of course.

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No, 60 degree do not belong here, as the basis of the 9th harmonic aspect is 40°.
However of course any sextile will show up in the 9th harmonic chart as well - as opposition.

it belongs to the 18th harmonic (well actually it is the 6th harmonic, but 18th is a multiple of that, so it counts).

it`s a 20° aspect as the basis, however we do multiply these aspects and the sextile is actually an 3/18 aspect, as if we multiply the basic distance (20 degrees) of the 18th harmonic with 3, we end up at 60 degrees.

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Thank you!! I understand all of that.

I just need more practice, looking at charts and noticing how everything shifts around, to feel more confident.

posted December 16, 2015 07:19 PM            

What would Ceri do?

If you're going to look at 72nd Harmonic synastry, me too...

And look what I found:

My sun 26 Taurus
Husband's NN 27 Taurus

My NN 0 Aries
My Mercury 0 Aries
Husband's Venus 0 Cancer
Husband's Mars 29 Pisces

posted December 16, 2015 09:08 PM            

The 9th harmonic Composite! (for free)

Btw, it was a long ride as I first had to download some free software programs but nothing had the option "harmonic composite" (only the unaffordable solar fire has) so I sent an email to the one I liked most (such a sweet handy program with many options like 'conversed progressions etc.!) and I asked if I possibly missed that option? They even asked what a 'harmonic composite' was so I explained it after which they made a new 'update' in their software yesterday and removed all the restrictions for making synastry/composite so that we can now combine any kind of chart, great! I guess it's Always work in progress there and so I assume users can add their 2 cents and offer improvements?? Well, in that case, let's all download Planetdance! It's really worth it....

But this all wouldn't have happened without Orange, so here the 9th harmonic Composite for her & friend: