posted December 17, 2015 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Video by David Cochrane:

Marriage and the Navamsa Chart (9th Harmonic Chart)

Compliments of Ceridwen who emailed this to me.

Have you looked at your 9th harmonic synastry with your spouse? You might be amazed.

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It's amazing just a few tips, I had like to add.

Navamsa should be checked in comparison to your lagna and rasi chart. Also, Venus and Mars charts for example, signs, planets from Venus - 5th, 7th and 9th play an important role.

Lagna is your ascendant chart, and Rasi is your moon chart.

Jupiter is known as the Karaka of marriage and children in vedic astrology. He should be checked as well.

posted December 17, 2015 01:30 AM              

I disagree.
Or at least I prefer to keep the harmonic astrology (vibrational astrology) separate from Vedic astrology (even though he picked the same name).

If we are doing Vedic astrology, there is a whole other bunch of rules to apply, which are not used in terms of vibrational astrology.

posted December 17, 2015 01:44 AM              

the 9th harmonic chart (vibrational astrology) is only a more detailed (and simplified) look at the (9th harmonic) aspects that are there in natal, picking up minor aspects, too, that we would never see otherwise.

the Navamsa chart, as used in Vedic astrology, is a symbolic chart, that opens up the 9th house, so to speak (in terms of symbolism. Vedic 9th house symbolism of course, not Western necessarily).
As a symbolic chart the signbackground (sidereal, though some modern Vedic astrologers start using the tropical zodiac, too) does count, and like a Draco chart it is compared to the natal chart (or more specifically the Rasi and Lagna chart, as Niki explained).

I do find it important though to keep in mind that while both approaches do use the 9th harmonic chart, the methods are pretty different. (though there may be overlaps).

posted December 17, 2015 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lionfish,

sorry about that. Usually I notice it before pushing thee reply-button.

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posted December 17, 2015 04:23 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Surprise surprise...

The 9th harmonic Composite! (for free)

Btw, it was a long ride as I first had to download some free software programs but nothing had the option "harmonic composite" (only the unaffordable solar fire has) so I sent an email to the one I liked most (such a sweet handy program with many options like 'conversed progressions etc.!) and I asked if I possibly missed that option? They even asked what a 'harmonic composite' was so I explained it after which they made a new 'update' in their software yesterday and removed all the restrictions for making synastry/composite so that we can now combine any kind of chart, great! I guess it's Always work in progress there and so I assume users can add their 2 cents and offer improvements?? Well, in that case, let's all download Planetdance! It's really worth it....

But this all wouldn't have happened without Orange, so here the 9th harmonic Composite for her & friend:

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posted December 17, 2015 07:55 AM              

"I don't really know why you did 4 X 2, except 4 represents the Harmonic chart we're working on, and 2 represents the opposition (splitting the zodiac in two pieces.) Is that right?"
Yes, exactly.

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Breaking this down:

1. Take the number of the Harmonic chart you are working on.
2. Notice the aspect two planets make.
3. Relate that aspect to the Harmonic chart in which that aspect forms a conjunction; note the number of that Harmonic chart.
4. Multiply the numbers from steps 1 and 3.
5. The answer tells you in which Harmonic chart that aspect becomes a conjunction."

"Oh yay, not a coincidence!"
Yes the 72th harmonic is an aspect of 5°

"Got it...I was thinking of multiples of each number creating a family, not doubling the numbers..."
both is true, actually.
Well he only calls the doubled one "families".
But we also use multiples.

" Or are these not agreeable to being in families?2
No, no families here.

I once ordered a report for the main themes in my (and Mr Sag`s chart) from Kepler astrology (which is Cochranes system I think).

he looks up 3 planets pattern mostly, and apparently identifying the harmonic chart they appear in no matter how high. I think i ahve something in the 166th harmonic. lol

the report also mentions my 14th harmonic pattern, as well as some that seem to not fit at all. like this one

"Venus-Mars-Uranus 128th Harmonic

You have very strong romantic and sexual feelings. You are likely to fall in, and out of, love at least a few times before settling down so it is probably not a good idea for you to marry early in life. You love music and probably dance also. It is important that sexuality does not overpower the importance of love, kindness, or mutual understanding in your romantic relationships because otherwise you can be unfulfilled in the long run."

On the other hand I actually can see how that is not THAT untrue either, it`s just I seem to sublimate those urges in direction of receptivity to the arts and creativity.

I did think however THESE were astounding.

"Sun-Moon-Pluto 14th Harmonic (14=7x2)

Periodically you feel compulsively drawn to research or investigate something, or possibly just to do something that drives you from deep within yourself. While many of your friends and acquaintances seem content to live day to day without going to extremes, you, on the other hand, have periods when you are compulsively driven from within. You have a complex emotional nature that makes it difficult for others to completely understand you, or to even understand yourself."

"Moon-Mercury-Mars 90th Harmonic (90=5x9x2)

You have an aptitude for psychology and history, and with training you can become very good at understanding the historical and psychological roots of current trends and the behavior of people. Also, you are sometimes very impatient with people who do not express themselves clearly, and you appreciate people who can communicate clearly and directly.

Moon-Mercury-Pluto 90th Harmonic (90=5x9x2)

It is likely that you are involved in psychology, anthropology, history, or genealogy. You like to look beneath the surface of things, and you may also have an interest in mystery novels. You can be very successful in any area that requires curiosity and the desire to uncover secrets."

In Mr Sag`s main themes report things like these were found (oh and we share the Moon-Mars-Uranus-pattern, though in dfferent harmonics, and we both have Mercury conjunct Moon/Uranus and him also having Mercury conjunct Sun/Uranus).

anyway this is what the report said about him

"Venus-Mars-Jupiter 8th Harmonic

You are a creative, warm, and friendly person. You are romantic, open, and generous. You are thoughtful and generous, and you enjoy taking time to be with friends or going out to have a good time. You can be very successful in an area that involves art, creativity, friendliness, or entertainment. Your constructive, positive attitude draws good opportunities to you.

Moon-Venus-Uranus 92nd Harmonic (92=23x4)

You enjoy lively music and dance. You have a good sense of rhythm and probably you have an infectious laugh. You enjoy jokes and tricks. It is likely that you will fall in, and out of, love several times before "settling down" with one person, so it may be best if you do not marry to early in life. Although you are romantic, you do not like to feel smothered or too restricted by your partner."

and also these midpoint pictures

"Mercury Conjunct Venus/Pluto 0 deg 44 min

You enjoy art, music, and literature that is deep and moving. You have a lot of creative talent that can be expressed through many different media. You have the ability to make things that are both functional and beautiful.

Neptune Conjunct Moon/Mercury 1 deg 27 min

You have good imagination and intuition. You have a talent for understanding, and perhaps also producing, poetry and fictional literature. You work well with children, and also have a strong inclination to become involved in music and the arts.

Mercury Conjunct Moon/Uranus 1 deg 39 min

You have quick reflexes, which gives you talent in some sports, playing a musical instrument, or any other activity that requires quickness and agility. You are very clever and have a good sense of humor. You pick up on things that other people miss. You function well in a fast-paced environment but can become nervous and high-strung from too much stress."

Can you see the common thread in his patterns?

posted December 17, 2015 11:02 AM            

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Where did you find the free software, Mir?

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posted December 17, 2015 12:39 PM            

Astrodienst has a great introduction to harmonics: http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_harmon_e.htm

Comprehensive article with much to chew on: http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/ha_intro.htm

And I found this quaint chart here.:

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posted December 17, 2015 01:01 PM              

Great list btw, I think I saw it before, but forgot again.
BTW I am also more comfortable with the 12° orb for conjunction and then the rest of the aspects. It`s what David Hamblin proposed and many others, and in fact, even Cochrane uses the 12 degree orb for the main-themes-report.
It probably is the one really pointing to the core areas.

If you are interested...

http://www.accessnewage.com/articles/astro/ha_intro.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1n2pX5j2uQ

Personally I wouldn´t feel comfortable using something like an 128th harmonic.
I think I would stick to the more basic numbers

In fact Cochrane himself suggests using the 8th, 5th, 7th and 9th in addition to the natal chart, and those are the ones I would check, too.

posted December 17, 2015 01:10 PM            

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The 8th might be particularly interesting, as it is the most dynamic of all and possibly therefore the most event and change-oriented.

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posted December 17, 2015 01:17 PM              

as he sais in the video

"the 8th shows the fundamental motivations, drives and energy flow"

posted December 17, 2015 01:26 PM              

my 4th

(the orbs may be wrong though)

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my 8th

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posted December 17, 2015 02:14 PM              

4th harmonic
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(putting orb tightness in brackets)

Grand Trine:
Moon - Juno - Saturn (46%)

Grand Cross:
Mean Lilith, Juno, Uranus, Pluto (24%)

the tightest:
Several T-squares:
mean Lilith, Juno, Pluto (32%)
- that makes so much sense it is not even funny anymore

Yod,
mean Lilith, Ceres, Saturn (25%)

Thor`s Hammer
Mars, Uranus, Pluto (27%)

Rosetta (no clue what THAT is)
Saturn, Moon, Neptune, Ceres, Node, Mercury

And in 8th harmonic
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Grand Trine
Moon, Saturn, Juno (36%)

2 Kites:
Moon, Saturn, Juno, mean Lilith (36%)
Moon, Saturn, Juno, Ceres (29%)

Tsquare
Mars, Uranus, Pluto, Chiron (27%)

Mystical triangle:
Moon, Juno, Ceres, mean Lilith (31%)

LOL, all the mature feminine archetypes gathered.

posted December 17, 2015 03:11 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I've downloaded PD and I'm glad that it's free and sophisticated but...my antivirus detected what appears to be a trojan. I have a screenshot of it if someone needs evidence.

[QUOTE]Where did you find the free software, Mir?

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Great! yea .. my AVG also stopped the download but I simply allowed it and no malicious things found after a penetrating scan.

I already read this on their site;

Attention:, some virusscanners like Norton falsely report this software as malware, my advice: install a decent antivirus like Avast. Please don't mail me asking me if the software can be trusted.

Exploring this program bit by bit .. but my, what a world of possiblilities!

posted December 17, 2015 04:54 PM            

Ceri, do you count any of the kites in your 8h?

posted December 17, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Thanks for informing us, mir. I think I may become addicted to this software. But what exactly would we discuss?

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Lol me too. I'm too excited, if not about the amazing hits from the 9th harmonic compo to each natal 9th (!) then about these new (dutch) MIRROR POINTS. Ceri would love that also. But I'm afraid this is not part of Solar Fire, namely it's too "dutch" and I can only find one website about it in an for-all understandable language.

posted December 18, 2015 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Niki,

I disagree.
Or at least I prefer to keep the harmonic astrology (vibrational astrology) separate from Vedic astrology (even though he picked the same name).

If we are doing Vedic astrology, there is a whole other bunch of rules to apply, which are not used in terms of vibrational astrology.

while I think both have their merits, the mixing up is how I think confusion sets in and also misinterpretations.

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I think the confusion starts because he used the same name. Anyways, I didn't mean about interpreting 9th harmonic chart. I was clearly on Navamsa interpretation.

posted December 19, 2015 05:47 AM              

I agree, he caused the confusion by picking the same name.

This was initially the reason I hesitated to start this topic myself, as the title would suggest a Vedic technique (and hence belonging into the Vedic forum, while the content is clearly harmonic astrology as in Western - harmonic- astrology, which belongs here.