posted December 19, 2015 10:21 AM            

I was wondering what trines mean in the 8th harmonic. Harmony/ ease/flowing energy of the drives or in relation to some tension?

Of course those would relate back to the natal aspect of the 24th harmonic (8x3). However the 24th harmonic is the series the quindecile stems from, too.
An aspect Noel Tyl and others payed a lot of attention to, he defined him as: " “quindecile is an aspect of unrelenting motivation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation.” " http://www.hniizato.com/exploring-quindecile-aspect/

(I believe separation in this context does not so much relate to a break-up, but more so of a breaking-up of previous conditions and leading into change)

Ricky Reeves defined it:
"that there is a compulsive feeling of “whatever it takes” to fulfill one’s motivation."

Cochrane puts it like this:
"Overall, the 24th
harmonic aspects indicate resources available to the person;
they represent characteristics and qualities that can be used
to achieve goals, although the 11/24 aspect does make some
pressing demands of the person more than other 24th harmonic
aspects."

the 11/24th would relate to the 165° angle, that the others referred to.

I wonder if the trines in an 8th harmonic chart might relate to the actions undertaken that will bring the desired results of that inner drive and motivation (Cochranes interpretation of the 8th harmonic) into manifestation?

Are those the aspects that indicate what will - most likely- HAPPEN or what will MANIFEST?

Branching out on this idea. now oppositions in the 8th harmonic chart would relate back to 16th harmonic aspects in the natal

"Harmonic 16: Inner drive and motivation. What is really
meaningful to a person and what the person wants to achieve."

And squares in a 8th harmonic chart would relate to 32th harmonic aspects in natal

"Harmonic 32: The inner drives, talents, and motivations of a
person. These inner drives are often not obvious in the behavior
and personality of the person but are strong indicators of
how the person thinks and processes information, and what
is very important to the person."
http://www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

So I am especially wondering about the trines in 8th harmonic now. Hmm.

orbs in harmonic chart:

posted December 19, 2015 12:14 PM            

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my Dad`s 8th

posted December 19, 2015 12:40 PM            

However my Mom does have (almost) two overlaying Kites

1. Mars-Chiron-Pluto-Uranus
2. (almost) Moon- Juno-Lilith-Jupiter

I find it interesting that i seem to have "inherited" the Moon-Juno-Lilith-aspects from her. We might express or experience it in different ways. her Juno is on the Moon/Lilith-mp, so it seems like she is the empowered, independent woman WITHIN marriage (which she is, and deeply emotional and passionate).

Also her Juno is trine Lilith, while for me Juno is opposite Lilith, which certainly makes a difference.

anyway notable aspects from my parents synastry:

° his Venus conjunct her Chiron exact
his Venus conjunct her Moon just in orb.
his Venus trine her Juno
his Venus trine her Mars
his Venus sextile her Pluto

so his Venus effectively activates her Kite, from the Chiron-corner

° his Chiron conjunct her Venus (2)
his Chiron conjunct her Sun (2)
his Saturn conjunct her Sun-Venus

A Venus-Chiron-DW - -and their marriage chart has the Venus-Chiron-conjunction as well.

Whatever one may say about Chiron-aspects, but they do leave an impact. Anyway I do see this as the manifestation as "healing through love", in this case this was true. They are both coming from families who had to deal with traumatic experiences in the past (our family past is riddled with stories of war, expulsion and exodus; and my Dad experienced his kind-of-sister-in-law developing a bipolar condition, I think this is what it was, to the point of frequent violent outburst and attacks on my grandmother; my Mom`s childhood and youth was even more traumatic, with (sexual) abuse, witnessing the death of her brother, premature death of her mother, a choleric-depressed father (who never raised a hand against her; something that cannot be said for her brothers though - I did not know him like that though, as a grandfather he was the kindest person you can imagine) and I believe my mom herself is suffering from an (undiagnosed) depression)

Anyway enough of this, but somehow through committing to each other they grew stronger, each on their own.
Also I believe that maybe the strong Chiron in their synastry and composite, too, might relate to them having a child with Down-syndrome, as well as dealing with family members with different problems.

But also the Venus-Mars-Uranus certainly point to that unexpected sudden love-at-first-sight-scenario that happened between them. They might not have raced to the altar right away, but got together very very quickly.

his Jupiter-MOon-square combines with her Saturn-Neptune-Mercury-T-square (signature of depression!) to form a Grand Cross. with his Jupiter on her Mercury.

In her most somber moods my Dad is pretty much the only person who can break through that mental barrier, by either simply scooping her up in his arms and not letting go (though she complains about that very much, until you can see the defenses crumble to nothing and leaving them both laughing, and usually kissing. lol) or he just makes a joke, or doing something that makes her laugh, and somehow that does not go well together, being depressed and laughing.

I think the MOon-Jupiter on her Mercury is just soo fitting a symbol for that. Also they can discuss things for hours, they do not always agree and she especially can be judgemental and critical, which might temporarily put a damper on his Moon-Jupiter-cheerfulness, but never for long.

well yes, their 8th harmonic synastry certainly fits what can be observed in their daily lives.

posted December 19, 2015 03:11 PM            

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So I am especially wondering about the trines in 8th harmonic now.

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And I am wondering about your Pluto>Mars<Uranus and Saturn>Venus<Mercury t-squares. The former sounds looks like being exposed to great physical danger, the unexpected kind. I think you've mentioned once that you almost drowned as a little kid. If I'm right, do you think this t-square reflects it?

posted December 19, 2015 04:09 PM            

Ceri I loved that whole analysis of your parents' 8th harmonic synastry, and the moon-Juno-Lilith pattern repeating in your and your mother's charts.

Also, I love your take on their Venus-Chiron journey together...so sad for your mother especially...I could cry reading that, imagining a child absorbing THAT much pain. But then it's just so wonderful that your dad can lift her moods. Just a beautiful love story.

"But also the Venus-Mars-Uranus certainly point to that unexpected sudden love-at-first-sight-scenario that happened between them."

Did you ever tell that story? Would you tell it? I'd love to read it if that's not asking too much.

Your 8th Harmonic chart won the whole contest so I think many of us won't want to post ours now.

Actually I would, but photobucket runs so slowly for me anymore...I'll just grab some data and report back.

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I wonder if the trines in an 8th harmonic chart might relate to the actions undertaken that will bring the desired results of that inner drive and motivation (Cochranes interpretation of the 8th harmonic) into manifestation?

Are those the aspects that indicate what will - most likely- HAPPEN or what will MANIFEST?

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So I am especially wondering about the trines in 8th harmonic now

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How would you interpret your own trines that way?

posted December 19, 2015 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
And I am wondering about your Pluto>Mars<Uranus and Saturn>Venus<Mercury t-squares. The former sounds looks like being exposed to great physical danger, the unexpected kind. I think you've mentioned once that you almost drowned as a little kid. If I'm right, do you think this t-square reflects it?

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That is my Mom´s chart.

posted December 19, 2015 04:31 PM            

"so sad for your mother especially...I could cry reading that, imagining a child absorbing THAT much pain."
Yes, there has been a lot of pain in her life, from a young age on.
And yet it`s me who has Chiron in 4th house, not her. Maybe it is the ancestral memory in my case.

"Did you ever tell that story? Would you tell it? I'd love to read it if that's not asking too much."
They met in a discotheque and as my mom retells quickly left the dancefloor and were staying all night in my dad`s car and discussing the political situation in Germany as well as the war in Vietnam. Though I am sure she may leave out some stuff , I can totally see that, them just discussing the big subjects of the world. And hey who wouldn´t have a political discussion at a discotheque, right?
And my mother at that time looked like a filmstar, I think so at least, probably not the type you would expect to care about those types of discussions.

Anyway, they didn`t have their mind on anything developing between them; my Mum was having a boyfriend (who hadn`t wanted to go out that night) and my Dad was even engaged at the time they met, though it seems both previous relationships were on the rocks already, and they broke up with their respective partners within weeks and got together officially, though they got married 3 years later, so they took a bit time for their engagement.

"Your 8th Harmonic chart won the whole contest so I think many of us won't want to post ours now. "
Nahh, I am sure there are many more beautiful charts out there.

"Actually I would, but photobucket runs so slowly for me anymore...I'll just grab some data and report back."
Yeah I know, photobucket is soo slow for me too

"How would you interpret your own trines that way?"
I need to think about it. Somehow synastry seems easier to me. lol

posted December 19, 2015 04:56 PM            

I have:

6.19 Leo sun
8.11 Leo Jupiter
4.51 Sag Saturn
8.08 Sag Mars

22 Virgo Venus -> Husband's Venus 20 Virgo
22 Cap Uranus -> Husband's Pallas 21.55 Cap

--> Husband's Mars 19 Gemini
--> Husband's Jupiter 20 Pisces

11.50 Scorpio Neptune --> Husband's moon 13 Taurus

Synastry Yod:
His Juno 24.59 Taurus
His Pluto 25.09 Cancer
My moon 25.32 Sag

Conclusions:

First: Obviously I love using colons and semicolons; these punctuation marks are groovy.

--> Almost as cool as little arrows. <--

Second: On point: About myself, all I can say is, my life has been a journey of losing and then regaining self-esteem; the sun-Jupiter is basically unsinkable but it learns that through adversity (Saturn) and animosity (Mars) or through discipline (Saturn) and effort (Mars.) The two sets are joined...in my case, we cannot have the bouncy sun-Jupiter person without the underlying struggles and sense of preparedness they brought.

In my natal, the sun is square Jupiter, quincunx Mars, and quindecile Saturn. Here we see how I can bring it all together to manifest things, through conscious applied effort.

Third: The Venus-Venus conjunction with my husband is amazing and again I am itching to remark on the sign placement, but will behave and not mention that it's Virgoooooo.

Fourth: I like that yod, with my moon at the apex summoning up my husband's latent willpower to marry (Juno sextile Pluto). Once again it's a struggle to NOT tell you my 8th harmonic moon is smack dab on our tropical composite moon. But with valiant effort I will hold back.

Fifth: His moon opposing my Neptune highlights the whole problem of him having to deal with my Neptunian tendencies, which I have to admit, are not always the greatest thing ever. Then again neither is his moon so...this shows a kind of even distribution of difficulty.

posted December 19, 2015 04:58 PM            

WOW

Your mother is GORGEOUS!

posted December 19, 2015 05:08 PM            

I agree that your mom was very pretty.

posted December 19, 2015 06:34 PM            

but Faith, wow, what a great work you did there, love the colons!
And the interpretation.

And AA, yes, you´re right, Mars-Uranus-Pluto in my chart, Pluto conjnct Psyche exact. Need to think about it.

posted December 20, 2015 11:53 AM            

What about your mother's condition now? You talked of a possible un-diagnosed depression..?

posted December 20, 2015 12:13 PM            

His t-square: Neptune 14>Sun 14<Mars 15 (deg).
His Mars and Neptune are also part of a kite...he got a powerful chart.

My Nodes opposite his Sun by 7 min which completes a grand cross for him + (possibly) conjunct his Vertex under 3.

We have a Sun opposite Nodes DW: my Sun opposite his Nodes 2.38.
My Moon square his Nodes 2.12.
My Mercury conjunct his Node, 2.39.
My Jupiter is involved too but we have it in the tropical synastry.
Other than that:
his Moon conjunct my MC 4.41 or so
his Sun conjunct my Pluto-Vertex 6.34 (Vertex is a little closer)
his Pluto square my Mars 0.23
his Venus opposite my Neptune 3.11
his Jupiter conjunct my Uranus 1.35
his Uranus conjunct my Neptune 3.35
his Mercury trine my Pluto 0.20

In the composite there may be a kite involving IC-MC, Saturn and Jupiter and Venus square ASC-DSC. When it comes to more certain things, we have Sun-Uranus, Mars-Pluto, Node-Chiron conjunctions and Moon-Jupiter, Venus-Uranus oppositions.

I guess it's another hidden puzzle when it comes to his influence on me.

posted December 20, 2015 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
but Faith, wow, what a great work you did there, love the colons!

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posted December 20, 2015 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
I'm late to the party. Could you guys direct me to some threads which discuss what exactly an 8th harmonic chart represents?

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We were talking about them here, just recently:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/004290.html

posted December 20, 2015 12:57 PM            

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Yes, there has been a lot of pain in her life, from a young age on.
And yet it`s me who has Chiron in 4th house, not her. Maybe it is the ancestral memory in my case.

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That is really interesting. Because it does seem that your mother was resilient and thriving in her youth, even in the face of unthinkable tragedy. Yet you seemed to live out the delayed response to all of that, with your dark phase...you know what I mean? I'm thinking of how your mother was helped tremendously by your father and their amazing connection. You grew up seeing how Connection was part of the magic of life, the healing force that made things survivable. Without that for yourself, perhaps you became deeply attuned to the feeling of unassisted, unprotected Chiron. Which is what your mother would have had, without your father. Does that make sense?

posted December 20, 2015 02:40 PM            

I don´t think my mom is a depressd in a clinical sense. It`s just that certian things had never been resolved because she had to "function" cause life had to be dealt with somehow.
But yes, it`s sometimes like a "shadow" hanging over her, and it`s only lately that she (and us) really understood that this kind of "sadness" probably was being inherited by us, or almost like some genetic code transferred.

posted December 20, 2015 02:51 PM            

no probblem, probe all you want.

these are interesting thoughts, I have to think about them. Interestingly in my "dark period", that night when I had the breakdown, and was lying on the floor, and my parents and grandmother gathered around me, I could sense my deceased grandmother (my mom`s mother) in some bit of a distance (possibly a hallucination and well I did not see her physically, just you know, how I sense people) and she was communicating to me that I was having a choice to leave it all behind and come with her, or to stay, but how that would involve some hardship to come, how life would never be easy.
But well, I hesitated for maybe just a fractal of a moment and communicated back: "I can`t do that to her. Losing also her daughter like that would destroy her. I want to go back."
And I did feel it, that I wanted to live, but it also felt like having been under water and having to fight my way back to the surface. But I did, as I am still here.
Maybe that was a slightly psychotic episode or nervous breakdown that has never been diagnosed either. lol

I actally do remember some points in my life when I was given the possibility to "get out", but I always opted to stay, yet it was a conscious choice, at least emotionally it felt like that.

Well the last "possible exit" has been some time ago, so I hopefully have left that weirdness behind me.

maybe in some weird way that is Mars-Uranus-Pluto-for me, Mars is in the 12th house after all with Pluto ruling the 12th house. and Uranus might signify this mental weirdness.

I`ve also run across my fair share of dangerous situations and have had some death-threats being jolted at me when I was younger, usually as a consequence of me not wanting to do what elder kids wanted me to do. lol
I was always rather stubborn and set in my ways.
I`?ve also been through a few hairy situations when it came to men (usually complete strangers and mostly Easter Europeans interestingly enough), but then on the other hand, what woman hasn´t?
And my guardian angel is in good shape I suppose.

posted December 20, 2015 02:53 PM            

For me it just makes more sense to just use 45 degree dials, but to each their own

and about that quindecHilly,,lol

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4828&start=30&sid=4f9301558a6280b50ddffc4e7f074bf4

Gonna read the rest of this thread then just shut up/.