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Topic: Behold, my next mistake
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Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 07:03 AM
  
Lol yes!  Few things are as bad as a voc Moon. It's not set yet, he wants to meet of Friday, not Sunday. With my luck we'll probably miss this opportunity and spend some more months without meeting. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 07:30 AM
I wouldnt want a voc moon either! Fmcs have a mind of their own though.you can plan them but the universe will have its way.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted January 26, 2016 07:38 AM
But shouldn't it matter more for the Moon to not be VOC per rapport with your charts? Just for the sake of a debate. If Moon conjuncts ASC, composite or natals, VOC or not on the sky it should bring about an emotionally compelling meeting, and most likely feeling understood and close. Or it could conj Venus or the Sun, or someone's own Moon...I see Moon as very important in FMCs, but its importance for me comes from the aspects with the natals mostly.A VOC Moon could be like an island feeling, suspended in time and space. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 08:10 AM
I don't know which matters most, LeeLoo: the chart in itself or its aspects to our natals. Some aspects are made, though. The Asc will most likely be conjunct his Moon. If we meet of Friday the Moon is opp my Sun and if we meet on Sunday it's conjunct the composite Moon. And his Asc. Indeed, there are no triggers to DC rulers. The Sun will be making a wide conj to the comp DC ruler but nothing for the natals. I guess this is not gonna be a DC kind of relationship. I get it. It's sexual, it's not committed. Whatevs. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 09:25 AM
Leeloo, I agree with you. However I would want it all. Aspects to the Moon in the fmc AND to each natal! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 09:27 AM
BTW I would have picked the sunday chart, especially BECAUSE it repeats the synastric solilunar aspect. I just notice that first meeting charts seem to do that, repeating patterns from the natals/ synastry/ composite, well first meeting charts of encounters that leave a lasting impression at least.
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Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 09:29 AM
A fullmoon with only your chart, but nothing interesting happening in his, oh no, you donīt want that. You don`t want to be the only one who is emotionally affected! (maybe there would be other aspects with his natal though)IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 09:31 AM
SEriously though, meet when you meet.
I mean in all honesty if I had seen my own first meeting chart before, I probably would have stayed far far away from that theatre-door.  IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 09:38 AM
I know, Ceri. I've been planning fmc's for years. I think with some I've done a good job, but there is still much to learn. Perhaps I am missing something vital, I don't know. But I am getting a little sick of it, because no matter how well I plan and how good the chart is (remember that superb craddle I had with Blackbird?) the relationship will still go where it needs to go. Sometimes I wonder why I bother. It's why I didn't want to check the fmc with this guy: in the end, it doesn't matter, but I'll stress and fiddle instead of focusing on that wonderful tingling in my stomach. It just kinda takes the joy out of it. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 09:48 AM
WEll, I never plan first meetings.
I do sometimes look in advance, knowing I will have to adjust it anyway with the real timing, but that is more curiosity.
I know I cannot control it anyway. And even if we plan a first meeting and it happens on the exact moment we planned (which it never does ime), we probably have missed some important detail in our analysis before. I mean seriously would I have planned a first meeting with a Moon-Pluto-conjunction in Capricorn on the Aries-Point which is the Apex of a Golden Yod/Quintile with Venus in taurus and Mars in Leo, making the Moon=Venus/Mars the tightest midpoint in the chart?
But combining it with a close to exact Pythagorean triangle of the Moon-Pluto-conjunction to Saturn and Sun (which conjuncts Sappho and Priapus within a degree), and with a very exact Sun-Saturn-square? NO I would NOT have done that.
But in retrospect it is simply fitting. So it just had to be this way I guess. So whatevery our first meeting chart will be, just let it be. better go with the flow and ejoy the experience, no matter how short or lasting it will be. Stay in the moment! THAT is what I have learned is what makes worthwile memories. (some are painful, some are blissful. It`s all part of life - talking about first meeting charts, of course I know there are painful experiences we could do without  ) IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 12:03 PM
Well I met most of the guys online, so I had time to search for a good chart before we met in person and then I suggested the date and time for the meeting. Can't you just tell I have Mercury opposite Pluto? And yes, you can make it exact - if your partner knows astrology and knows about the FMC. I did it with Blackbird. Since we got engaged 4 days after meeting I'd say the FMC was pretty good, but like I said I probably missed something important since it went down the hill fast. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 12:18 PM
For learning purposes, I'm gonna post that FMC again. I think I see a few similarities here, aside from the two being both Scorpios:-Jupiter in the 1st
-Moon conj Mars
-Venus conj Pluto
-Venus widely sq Uranus What I think I did wrong:
-late angles; also not very good that they're mutable (all 4 of them!) but the Asc/DC were conj my Nodes (and his) and my DC ruler (apparently it wasn't a very good decision) -> perhaps FMC trumps aspects to natals?!
-Sun in the 6th and square Neptune (I think this was one of our biggest problems, once the excitement wore off and we saw how hard it was gonna be to be together for good, we both lost heart - but especially him, Sun; the Moon was still fighting!) -> perhaps another unbalance was that Moon was heavily aspected while the Sun was not - I was more involved than he was
-Moon's last aspect was to a malefic (the conjunction to Mars)  IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 01:00 PM
Ok so compared to the Blackbird FMC I'd say I've improved on some things. I don't like going with mutable angles again, but I have no choice: Leo Asc puts Sun most likely in the 6th or if earlier Venus in the 6th and Libra Asc puts Uranus near DC or in the 7th. So I'm sticking to Virgo because I like Jup in the 1st - rule is keep your benefics angular and your malefics as cadent as possible. Not possible in this case but I have two benefics angular and one malefic in the 4th (Saturn). I'm not thrilled about that one but I can't help it. Still, I managed to put Mars in a cadent house, while Pluto and Uranus are cozy in a succeedent one. So I guess I am going for Sunday, if possible. I checked the synastries between my chart and the FMC, as well as his and the FMC and also the composites of my/his chart and the FMC. Some are quite nice! He has a dw of Moon conj Asc in synastry with the FMC! But the real surprise were the composites! Mine is rather red with a love stellium in the 4th and of course the Moon-Pluto conjunct in the 1st, and widely to Saturn which I guess would fit to how I view the connection. Him on the other hand has a super soft composite with the FMC, with one exception it's all friggin blue! He has Moon on Asc and a stellium of Venus-Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto in the 2nd/3rd houses. Both composites make strong conjunctions to each chart, as well as to the other one's chart and to our composite. So, Sunday. Fingers crossed that he accepts. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 26, 2016 01:57 PM
Event composites are usually very interesting.  IP: Logged |
todd
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posted January 26, 2016 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Thank you, Todd. Not every relationship must become committed and I think that is my lesson here with him. It's something I've been pondering on lately. I don't think it's how I'm supposed to approach relationships. I agree that it most likely will not be long term or committed or traditional.  I am confused about what you wrote here:
[QUOTE]Saturn forms a 3/20 aspect to juno and Jupiter
55 degrees are between Saturn and Jupiter, to my understanding that is a wide sextile. I don't know what a 3/20 aspect is.  [/QUOTE]the 20th harmonic(I don't know the mathematical term)is 18 degrees. 3/20 harmonic is 3 times 18 = 54
the 20th harmonic is a function of a quintile and square 4 times 5 = 20 and hence it is associate with tensions, usually little but occasionally a 20th harmonic can be very destructive.
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Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by todd:
the 20th harmonic(I don't know the mathematical term)is 18 degrees. 3/20 harmonic is 3 times 18 = 54
the 20th harmonic is a function of a quintile and square 4 times 5 = 20 and hence it is associate with tensions, usually little but occasionally a 20th harmonic can be very destructive.
todd
I see. Thank you for explaining that, Todd! IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 26, 2016 11:40 PM
It seems like this won't go anywhere solid anyway. I can try to flip the FMC anyway I want, there are still no-nos. Might as well accept already that this won't stick. Maybe I can enjoy myself a little once I do. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 27, 2016 12:38 AM
I should have stayed with my initial thought of not checking the fmc. Now it's too late. I am gonna let him choose the date and time. I am letting it go.IP: Logged |
firemoon
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posted January 27, 2016 04:13 AM
edit, just wanted to say good luck and I'm wishing you all the best on this regardless of whatever the charts turn out as, not to be cheesy about love but because you really, really deserve it DM..  IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 27, 2016 01:08 PM
Thank you, Firemoon, for the well wishes! I'm glad you're back! How are you? How have you been? Drop me a line on FB if you want. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted January 27, 2016 03:23 PM
Update: we're not meeting lol. He recently started his own business and it picked up super fast in the last month or so, he's been working like crazy. I told him I couldn't meet him on Saturday and that maybe we should leave it for another time, he said he's super tired, working 14-15h/day and he's suffering from burnout. I didn't insist, we'll meet when we'll meet, if at all. I am actually not sad about it. This connection, even though virtual so far, has given me so much already. And I understand where he's coming from. That was me throughout 2015. He said next week, but I'll believe it when I see it. I really dislike the workings of composite Venus-Saturn square. It was to be expected. But maybe when we'll actually meet I'll stop myself from checking the chart. IP: Logged |
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