posted December 25, 2015 03:20 PM            

His chart:

My chart:

Synastry:

posted December 25, 2015 05:34 PM            

I however believe neither of us are evolved enough to make this work. I don't have the patience and determination to put up with his games and he will be up to his usual shenanigans, of course, sleeping with anything that moves. As long as I never take it personally and remain detached, I'm safe. But, really, it's unlikely. The moment I put the actual effort into it, he'll back out and leave me hanging by a thread. I know this scenario so well already. I've been through it so many times, I well should. Apparently I haven't learned all that much, since I am back again to this point. I don't think he's a bad person, in fact he's proven his character in quite a few occasions. One of them was when he returned after we blocked each other, admitting he was a coward and a jerk and telling me how much our conversations meant to him and how they made him change his perspective. I believe he was honest, my Jup and Uranus conjunct his Mercury. I understand it must have been hard for him to say those things, he does have a big ego. I always appreciate people owning up to their mistakes and trying to make amends. Then it was that message from 2 months ago, so I should correct my OP, it wasn't the first time I saw him in a positive light, it was the 2nd time. That message also meant a lot to me. He later said he thought about me a lot during that time and knew I'd pull through, which I did. And the third time was a few days ago, when he opened up about the troubles he's been having, mostly involving his mother's terminal cancer. He's always been honest with me, but this time he let me in big time. Then he confessed that he likes me for qualities he didn't find in other women (mainly because I challenge him and don't let him get away with cr@p) and he said he thinks we are the same.

We are, and we're not. I can certainly relate to him and how he is feeling. I think I have a fairly good insight into his mind and his personality and know how to handle him. But I don't think I can ever abstain from wanting more. And right now my biggest dilemma is if I want more because I should or because I actually do. I intend to take it as a challenge to confront this limitation in myself. If anything, this connection is a trip far beyond the comfort zone for both of us. It's my first Venus-Pluto exact conjunction in synastry. I know the moment I start to want more it will probably be the end, because I don't know how to be discreet about it and because I'm demanding and overbearing about it. I know that if I never ask for commitment he will probably offer it to me on his own.

It's my next mistake because I still don't know how to roll with it instead of planning it. Because I am still insecure and because I need reassurance and a sense of false security. I say false because I believe we're never truly safe, not for long anyways, for a moment, a day, a week, maybe. But you can never count on safety. Or anything, for that matter. I sense this connection can teach me great things about myself and I feel I won't know how to learn and receive them. I worry that once I do start to appreciate them, they will fly away like an elusive day dream.

It's a mistake because my self work is not done yet. Neither is his. And yes, I know it never truly ends. But a part of me feels I'm not yet ready and I don't want to go in it like this, but I also don't want to miss out on this opportunity either.

And, of course, there's also him and his free will. Goodness knows what he may need to learn on his path also.

posted December 25, 2015 05:53 PM            

I'm in the life style too. I'm a subby. So, no judgments here.

The first thing I have to say is, you have such a typical chart of a great dominant, lol. Love it!

You have some good aspects and some that are tricky. Venus conjunct Pluto is HOT and very obsessive. I have a love/hate with this aspect. But his Venus is on your Mars/Pluto opposition. So while you have that great intensity and passion this can make it tricky. That's a lot of dominant male energy for sensitive Venus. You'll have to be mindful of trying not to completely overtake him.

His Sun is opposite your Venus/Chiron conjunction so just be prepared for him to hit some of your most sensitive spots from old relationships wounds. Also, Sun/Chiron aspects in synastry can sometimes cause instant and sudden turn arounds. One minute you're a couple then something small happens that shouldn't matter but it does and it breaks everything apart. (I'm not being negative. This is very real with this aspect.) On a positive note, Sun/Venus opposition can create really great attraction and buzz.

You guys have moon/Venus DW. Super nice! His Venus sextile your moon and the moon/neptune conjunction is really romantic and dreamy. You might even have a telepathic connection with this.

You have some moon/Saturn action for glue- nice!

Now, Mars quincunx Saturn - in vanilla astrology these two planets are really frowned upon. In kink, it lends to energy dynamics of impact play which can help channel out some of it's tension. But you will still have work to do with that one. These two can butt heads in a big way.

His sun on your M/C - he may have the upper hand in the relationship. Your Saturn on his A/C can mean a few things. Sometimes the A/C person feels a bit held back. Other times, it acts as glue for the relationship and helps bring the A/C stability. Every once in a while, Saturn here shows that despite your best efforts, the relationship never gets off the ground.

I personally love the moon/pluto conjunction in your composite. Hot sex, passionate romance and possessive/obsessive love. (With his pluto conjunct his Scorpio A/C, he'll LOVE that!)

posted December 25, 2015 06:15 PM            

Yes, it might never get off the ground. I'm still waiting to see if we're ever gonna meet in person. I definitely don't want to stay in the virtual zone. And it can flip in the blink of an eye, I know that. We've been through that already almost a year ago, so I know it's volatile. I know anything can go with this one, from deep confessions to icing one another out in the blink of an eye. I think we're a bit more solid now than we have been when we had our falling out, precisely because we've been through quite a bit by now. He's been trying to stay on better terms with me and so have I, but I also know we'll be fighting for supremacy soon enough. It shouldn't be much of a fight, we've admitted we're both insanely attracted to one another and we intend to switch roles. Why the need for conflict, is beyond me, I guess some people can only thrive with that sense of friction. Myself included.

The Saturn-Mars quincunx, thank you for bringing that up! I worry about it myself, it's the only aspect my chart makes to his Saturn in tropical, and his natal Saturn might actually be unaspected, since the 10 deg orb is too wide for the conjunction to Mercury. Having an unaspected planet myself, I know it's not so desirable when someone doesn't make aspects to it. It's kind of meh.

I don't really know who has the upper hand in the relationship. I would say I do because he's done the pursuing and confessing and he's lowered his guard for me a lot. Plus, I don't think with my genitals the way he does. I'll totally lose my leverage, though, when I'll start thinking with my heart. With my Venus, yeah. That's when he'll have me eating from his hand.

I know we have potential to hurt each other, I think that is a great lesson we need to learn together - hence the NN-Chiron conjunction in the 6th house, of work and service. My heart sinks a little, I will admit, with every sub he's screwing, though I know it's all casual for him, and I know I hurt him when I entered the relationship with my ex, too. He wrote me a message then too, he was courteous but I know he was jealous.

posted December 26, 2015 01:05 AM            

And no, it's not stupid at all! You and he have some "work" to do. It's aligned by the Universe itself. Just go with it and enjoy all the fun juicy bits while you can!

On a side note: with all that pluto action in your synastry and composite expect a lot more jealously to surface. You two will want to possess each other... that's what I love about pluto.

posted December 27, 2015 11:14 AM            

Ive seen a number of synastries between long term partners when Saturn wasn't active either, but in your case, HE has a natal , tight, Uranus - Moon square, so he needs a grounding force, either his Saturn in hard aspect to your personal planets, or yours to him. In cases with natal Uranus squares, I noticed it's more beneficial if the Uranian person's Saturn makes a hard aspect to the partner's planets, it makes them wanting to stick around and they feel responsible for the other person.
In your synastry, his Saturn is unaspected.
I dont know, Maenad, it makes me not very confident looking at it, provided you are questioning the potential of relationship already.
The Venus-PLuto-Mars opposition/conj would be very hard to break off, once it's started, thou. So, you two will be bound by lust/passion but non committal, which will break hearts.

posted December 27, 2015 01:03 PM            

To be frank, even if this never goes anywhere, it still had an impact on him already (he told me how) and it seems now it's my turn. On a soul/emotional level it doesn't matter if we ever hook up, what matters is how we grow from the emotions this connection raises in us. This is my approach to it, I'm trying to stay detached and more philosophical about it, it seems to be working thus far. I know as long as I don't ask anything, he will give it to me by his own accord. He told me he wants to give up the other women (to enter a chastity period) for me, I never had to ask him though the sleeping around did bother me a bit. I didn't accept because right now he's too much of a responsibility and I need to stay focused on my self work without distractions.

Yes, I am aware his Saturn makes no aspects to my chart, unless you count the lousy quincunx to my Mars. -_- And the opposition to my Chiron! You're right, let's not count those! *scared face* My Saturn, however, does - it conjuncts his Venus. I know the Venus-Pluto is so in your face when you look at the chart, but my Saturn is nearby. Indeed, we don't have much glue. And Uranus on comp Asc sure doesn't make us stick. On the other hand, he told me his committed relationships failed because of routine/boredom. Little chance of that happening here. I never thought we'd still be talking a year later, let alone start to work together for a mutual goal, yet here we are.

I am forewarned. My heart will probably break, doesn't it always? My Venus-Chiron will have a full day. I'll get over it, the way I got over all of them. But I'm not backing out, that much I can say. I won't force, I won't rush, I won't sabotage it. He clearly is still here for.. some reason! I wanna see what. Hell can break later.

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Originally posted by Orange:

btw, his Uranus-Moon square makes him go after unavailable/unattainable women. He will chase you until you return the affection, then he will stop or disappear. If you want to keep him interested, you'd have always be slightly or more unattainable/cold.

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Yes, I noticed that myself. I never did it on purpose though, it just happened that way. He gets a bit needy sometimes though, but he's very sweet about it. I can always count that when I renew contact he'll answer is a few seconds/minutes.

posted December 27, 2015 01:28 PM            

I know we have a pVenus trine nVenus which will be exact a year from now. I don't know about the pComposite, haven't studied it. The draconic shows some conjunctions, I posted it in Auby's thread. I can paste it here.

DRACONIC

Me

Him

Synastry

posted December 28, 2015 11:02 AM            

a) His duads - my radix:

-Sun widely conjunct Venus (I know we can have bigger orbs with duads, what a relief!), it's also on my Mars/Venus midpoint and POF
-Moon on my antiVertex
-Mars conj my Moon (YUMMM), Neptune and South Node
-Jupiter conj my Venus, IC and Chiron (I love this one)
-Saturn opposite my Sun and Mercury (this I love not)
-Uranus conj my Valentine; also opposite my Jupiter
-Neptune conj my Asc
-Pluto out of sign conj my Moon (repeated theme from the composite)
-MC conjunct my Juno
-NN opposite my Sun/Moon midpoint

I'll add that his dKarma is on my Asc, his dLust is on my Venus, his dPsyche is also on my Asc, his dJuno is widely conj my Juno.

b) My duads - his radix

-Sun conjunct Moon
-Moon conjunct Sun (yes, yay)
-Venus conj Uranus
-Mars opp Moon (again the Moon-Mars)
-Jupiter opp his Mars
-Saturn conj Saturn
-Uranus opp his Moon
-Neptune conj his Sun
-Pluto conj his Moon (a double-whammy again)
-my mistake, we do not have dAsc conj Venus it's 12 degrees wide, I messed up the degrees with the draco)
-my NN conjunct his NN
-my Lust is on his Mars

c) my duads - his duads:

posted January 25, 2016 05:07 AM            

So now the battle is between Friday 29th or Sunday the 31st. I think he would accept Friday much better than Sunday, but I don't like Moon's final aspect as opposite Uranus. Does not sound positive at all! However, on Sunday the Moon will be in Scorpio in its fall and square the Sun which suggests tension between us which is likely anyway and we have it in the composite and Davison already. We butt heads but we manage. For Sunday the main inconvenient is that he might refuse, but initially it was my first thought and that is usually the best one.

I will post the charts for each day for 8 PM and my location. I could work the time to my favor if you have other ideas, but also cannot go much more than +/- 1-2h. I need to make a decision fast so I can negotiate it with him. To be honest I am leaning more towards Sunday, especially because Moon's final aspect will be a sextile to Jupiter and NN and also because the Moon is at the same degree as in our composite chart and also conjunct his Ascendant (my Saturn is 5 degrees back and it's my Asc ruler too).

There are a few close conjunctions/oppositions to our composite for this week-end:
-Saturn will be conjunct composite Asc
-Mars will be conjunct composite Saturn
-Venus will be conjunct composite Jupiter-Juno conjunction (closest on Sunday)
-Mercury-Pluto will be opposite composite Mars
-Chiron will be conjunct composite Karma asteroid and if I go with 8:30 PM that's also the FMC DC. I know people avoid Chiron usually but we have a NN-Chiron conjunction in the composite so it's bound to be significant.

Anyone have an idea about it? Thank you lots in advance!

posted January 25, 2016 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Meet up on Sunday. Without even reading your post that's the day I picked, as well.

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Hey thanks for looking at it, Lacey! What does your chart look like? Which angles are you going for?

I would have liked a Leo-Aqua Asc/DC to be honest, but either Sun or Venus would be in the 6th and I don't want that. I might meet him more towards 8:30 which puts Chiron on DC and Saturn on IC. Probably not the best idea, I think I should stick with this chart with minimum variation.

I honestly don't like Moon in fall conjunct Mars and square Sun. It worries me the most. It sounds like it might get volatile fast and we might argue a lot. Though it fits the energy between us so well, I wonder if it's too much for a first meeting though.

Plus, I worry he won't go for Sunday. He works the next day, so do I. Well, actually I work the next day no matter what day we meet. I'm a little concerned he will postpone and my calendar for Feb doesn't look too good. I'll be out of town 3 weekends out of 4.

You know what I also don't like? The Sabian for Karma:

27-28 deg Aries

A Large Audiences Confronts The Performer Who Disappointed Its Expectations

posted January 25, 2016 07:13 PM            

pluto is square to the venus/mars/sun oppositions, so the underlying emotional needs are carnal versus emotional intimacy. with pluto the sexual tension usually ceases immediately after gratification and no deeper emotional intimacy develops because of the sexual union.

but I don't think this relationship will ever get closer to any sort of commitment because Saturn forms a 3/20 aspect to juno and Jupiter. this aspect is one of minor irritation and arguments. it focus's are the little things and picks apart the greater picture of what could be, here a serious relationship. this tends to show he always find minor flaws that lead away from feeling of greater love and intimacy .
chiron is conjunct the north node which gives a peculiar psychic connection. when it is working well, you can help each other see there "blind spots", but when working negatively ,it can show very destructive and critical opinions. as this aspect allows you to see each other very deeply, these types of negative criticisms can be very emotionally hurtful.
the Neptune/moon midpoint is conjunct to thesouth node and opposed to chiron,which tends to show that real honesty and openness will not be achieved.as there are hidden emotional issues that won't be revealed.
this conclusion is fortified by the mercury/Saturn square and it's midpoint conjunct to Neptune. mercury/Saturn is not good for mental openness and can show a sharp tongue and many arguments. with the midpoint conjunct Neptune, lies are possible and again hidden issues will always separate you.
even with the usually vibrant emotional connection of Venus square to the moon, here instead of intimacy, even this emotional spark will be conditioned by the cold cruel distance of the Pluto/Saturn midpoint conjunct to the moon.

the Uranus/Jupiter midpoint is at 26sag44 and the node was square to this mp on dec 24 2015.; this could indicate the last time you were talking of "together",as this is a point of breakup.
the sun/Saturn midpoint is at 22sag44 so it is doubtful he will be in contact until after feb 23 the when the node squares this midpoint.

posted January 26, 2016 12:09 AM            

I am confused about what you wrote here:

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Saturn forms a 3/20 aspect to juno and Jupiter

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