posted January 20, 2016 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I had to just shortly check for the date/ concert when Mr Sag was blurting out (on stage) that I was driving him crazy, and had to laugh when I saw his pr/my natal or that exact moment in time.

ASC 12°58 Scorpio
Uranus 13°09 Scorpio

Yes I guess that summarizes it, then, doesn`t it? lol

At that same time I was having in my pr/ his natal

DESC 9°53 Sagittarius
Lilith (mean) 8°28 Sagittarius

his natal Mercury 9°23 Sagittarius
my natal Neptune 9°57 Sag
(I never responded/ reacted to that comment in any way, but preferred to pretend it had never happened, how Neptunian. )
my natal NN 10°09 Sag

and

MC 4°55 Pisces
PoF 4°27 Pisces

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^^^ This astro symbolism fits to the core!

I'm speechless (after a big laugh)

And I KNEW it.. I expected you to find some strong angle conjunctions (at least from his progressed side) and guess... URANUS conjunct ASC! A rebellious initiation All-out-in-the-public from his side BUT.. not exactly openly received by you (YOUR action // Neptune)!

This technique is worth GOLD!

posted January 20, 2016 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
oh no how frustrating!! I can't download as I'm an apple user

is there another way to work them out? on astro?

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posted January 21, 2016 12:08 AM            

Sun in Leo @26d
Moon in Cap @21d
Mercury in Virgo @24d
Venus in Virgo @4d
Mars in Leo @4d
Jupiter in Sag@1d
Saturn in Libra @29d

posted January 21, 2016 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
That indeed is! Frrrustrating.
Astro.com NO.
See no other way than to calculate it manually. Other free software programs (that MIGHT have the conversed option) would not be as easy as PD is what I very much suspect. Maybe there are other ways but not aware of it.

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Oh dear, I'm a dancer I don't do numbers very well

posted January 21, 2016 01:30 AM            

My Converse Progresed chart was not doing much to his natal though but my Secondary Progressed moon was conjuncting his natal Sun under 2d. He was born first so perhaps that is why his converse progressed was making multiple aspects to my natal but not the other way around.

posted January 21, 2016 03:02 AM            

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but my Secondary Progressed moon was conjuncting his natal Sun under 2d.

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Wow hypatia!
Well, our progressed expert Nine launched the key some days ago to unlocking it all progressed wise. NEXT to at least one strong Sun/Venus or Venus/Mars connection (conj/trine/opp) in our progressed synastry we also NEED to see .. well, just read it... really worth (Nine's Post)!; http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/004520.html

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Well on the day my Ex and I met his Converse Progressed Venus was conjuncting my natal SUN

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posted January 21, 2016 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Oh dear, I'm a dancer I don't do numbers very well

If someone would like to check mine for me I would be sooooooo grateful.
12 June 1978, melbourne, 14:57

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Such a sweet request ... smart ass!

posted January 21, 2016 03:20 AM              

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Do you offer converse progression charts?

For 'converse' secondary progressions, use negative age with offset from your birth date. In the Extended Chart Selection, select 'progressed chart' and, if you are, for example, born in 1950 and want converse progressions for 2002, the age is 52. Using negative age, you ought to enter the year 1898 as 'start date'
Primary directions are easily found here:
Free Horoscopes -> extended chart selection -> group Astrodienst special -> chart type: 3-dimensional chart with primary directions for 30 years -> additional data tables
This includes converse primary directions by default. Below the chart drawing, there is a link for 'special options' for various primary keys and other features.

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posted January 21, 2016 03:44 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Well, our progressed expert Nine launched the key some days ago to unlocking it all progressed wise. NEXT to at least one strong Sun/Venus or Venus/Mars connection (conj/trine/opp) in our progressed synastry we also NEED to see .. well, just read it... really worth (Nine's Post)!;

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How about..

-my pVenus trine his nVenus applying
-his cpVenus trine MY nVenus applying; his cpMars trine my nVenus separating
-my cpMoon conj his cpSun and cpAsc applying
-his cpAsc (and cpSun) opp my nSun applying
-and a pcomposite Moon sextile Sun applying (Moon on Asc if not mistaken)

posted January 21, 2016 03:51 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Such a sweet request ... smart ass!

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hahaha! awwww thank you mir, you put the gem in my emgem

so my CP moon conjuncts Mr Aries sun exact and 3* from his venus woo hoooooooooo! Plus my CP sun is exactly on his ASC. cool

posted January 21, 2016 04:21 AM            

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How about..

-my pVenus trine his nVenus applying
-his cpVenus trine MY nVenus applying; his cpMars trine my nVenus separating
-my cpMoon conj his cpSun and cpAsc applying
-his cpAsc (and cpSun) opp my nSun applying
-and a pcomposite Moon sextile Sun applying (Moon on Asc if not mistaken)

And I still haven't met this guy! lmao grrr

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^ pVenus/nVenus makes me very happy!!

I'm also going through a my cpMoon conj his cpSun (2 deg applying now).. we broke up recently .. but well we're applying to a Sun/Venus square now (a bit less than 4 deg). Well, next to his pSun sextile his nVenus and my nVenus (we have a Venus/Venus trine by 1 in synastry) which brought us together in the 1st place I feel, and probably also that cpSun/cpMoon now I think about it! Ater all... you also have it! And you're going to meet this guy! ;D (we also met when it was in fact applying by.. hm let's guess; 6-7 deg or so). And according to Nine it's not so much about orbs when it comes to Sun/Moon triggering although the tightness is often very outstanding!

By how many applying that Venus/Venus trine?
It's great also that his cpAsc is involved, another start trigger according to Nine's theory. We just have to find out how strong these conversed aspects ARE..... experience experience immer welcome!

posted January 21, 2016 05:08 AM              

I am trying to practice non attachment lol. So if I meet him, fine. If not, also fine. I'll update if it happens. The Venus-Venus is 1 deg. The converse one is 2 deg.

posted January 21, 2016 05:24 AM            

However there are two aspects to that to keep in mind.

a) the process we are in which is slowly developing, which is the phasal aspect of it.
Here it of course is interesting to note when we are moving into a timephase of a certain lunar phase.
Yet this is not enough to trigger anything.

b) the triggering of events/ timing-tools
After having asessed the background/ phase we are in, and which is a CONDITION that has to be in place for anything to be triggered. Sort of the fertile soil to plant something on (you can have the most beautiful seed of a rose, it will not grow on a stone!)

For the triggering we need very tight/ exact aspects, and I suspect, the quotidian angles will play a role in finetuning even down to the day/ a few days, while the progressed Moon might be significant in zooming in onto the month. (moving about 1 degree per month)

EDIT
For the triggering of course keep an eye on those pesky transits within one degree orb, too.

Also when does a relationship start?
At first meeting? When you declare you are a couple? When you take it a step further and decide to get married? When the marriage actually takes place?

I think that all of these "stops" could be significant, but it will vary from couple to couple which one takes precedence, and according to that the "astrological triggers" might differ.

Well for my parents very clearly the day of their wedding was a big trigger-day, that is not to say they did not have triggers during their first meeting (which pretty much was the start of their relationship). But I also recall my mom once telling me that about a year later or so, little less, little more maybe, she was giving my Dad a picture of herself (which still is on his bedside table actually) and he invited her to the silver anniversary of his parents, and THAT was the moment in time at least my mom realized they were really serious marriage material as a couple.

Remember how I mentioned the strange timeframe of the progressions, while strong at the outset, also pointing even more strongly at a time about a year later?
That was the time. By no means an official "relationship date", but significant for them personally, as this realization set in at that point.

posted January 21, 2016 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think the universe DOES care about exactness/tightness and timing.

However there are two aspects to that to keep in mind.

a) the process we are in which is slowly developing, which is the phasal aspect of it.
Here it of course is interesting to note when we are moving into a timephase of a certain lunar phase.
Yet this is not enough to trigger anything.

b) the triggering of events/ timing-tools
After having asessed the background/ phase we are in, and which is a CONDITION that has to be in place for anything to be triggered. Sort of the fertile soil to plant something on (you can have the most beautiful seed of a rose, it will not grow on a stone!)

For the triggering we need very tight/ exact aspects, and I suspect, the quotidian angles will play a role in finetuning even down to the day/ a few days, while the progressed Moon might be significant in zooming in onto the month. (moving about 1 degree per month)

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Yes, amazing. All aspects in out chart or in a relationship chart are also a timer, from the beginning. Their orb for instance, allows for a progression evolution which is meant to align with certain transits too, from the beginning. If the orb were smaller or bigger, the timer is different. That's when you look at it retrospectively.

posted January 21, 2016 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, amazing. All aspects in out chart or in a relationship chart are also a timer, from the beginning. Their orb for instance, allows for a progression evolution which is meant to align with certain transits too, from the beginning. If the orb were smaller or bigger, the timer is different. That's when you look at it retrospectively.

I also noticed there are 3 types of events
applying phase events
0 point events
separating phase events
I'm still thinking about the difference between them and why it happens, but it's complex to grasp. I suspect in all cases we are talking about a series of events, a several-steps scenario, and there's a trigger (which could be on either side of the phase), but also I suspect a main event.
Perhaps that's why in the case of your parents first event is a trigger for the main event.

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Yes, I absolutely agree with this.

This is probably why we should have different set of orbs for different astrological relations (like phasal or event-oriented).

I like to keep the orbs for any event really really tight, to the point others would think it is ridiculous (but then again others might not have a clue ).

The reason is just that I want to be sure that this aspect is SPECIFIC for that event.

For example take the progressed Sun, it moves about 5 minutes per month.

So if you have an aspect there with a larger orb, then it would cover a much larger timeframe.
And yes you read right, I am inclined to keep the orb for progressed sun at 5 minutes. for EVENTS, for triggers.

Of course NOT for the underlying process or phase, of course the development of certain things (that will lead to a major event) will start a lot sooner and cover a larger timeframe, hence the one degree orb (one year applying, and I am a little hazy on the separating orb. there will be an aftermath of course, and adjustment period, but just have not made up my mind as to what orb is applicable there).

Let me give you an example.

I was looking up my daily progressions for the concert last saturday with Lancelot, which was a good one, weird, but good. lol

And I saw this (beside the daily angles of course)

Node conjunct Sun/Pluto 0°01

and

Pluto conjunct Mars/Saturn 0°04

Wow! I thought, THAT is precise, that is tight, that is scary actually if you look at the combination.

So looking up the interpretations I found:

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT MARS/SATURN
Brutality, the rage of fury and destruction. The need to take
control; forcing an issue; strong anger. An act of God; injury to body,
death in mass.

and

NODE TO MIDPOINT SUN/PLUTO
A lack of adaptability, fateful associations. Very
special attachments; meeting the powerful.

Well, no it didn`t feel fitting. It was a good concert, yes, and some things were weird around it as I said, but it was not THAT intense/gloomy/startling. lol

Both of these aspects were separating, so I was already in the aftermath period (and yes, I felt a bit of a residual emotional exhaustion, but more like a phantom-ache, nothing that was really "actual").

So I was wondering WHEN did these progression had become completely exact?

So tracing them back I find them at 0°00 orb:

Pluto = Mars/Saturn
24th october - 10th november 2015

(which coincided with Mr Sag`s actual wedding on 5th november, and well so close to the disastrous events in Paris, which completely devastated me emotionally and mentally. Not sure why those would be inscripted in MY progressions though, on the other hand Pluto tends to be related to collective things)

Node = Sun/Pluto
03rd - 12th january

Well at least the Mars/Saturn-progression clearly was relating to a different timeframe (despite being just in a 5 minute orb).

posted January 21, 2016 07:39 AM            

well my tertiary progressed Sun-Venus-conjunction was exact in december.
Still not hitched.

But then again I have been made a lifetime civil servant, and Venus DOES rule my 10th house as well, so I guess it just was that.

posted January 21, 2016 11:13 AM            

Thing is I adjusted, as I said, and it`s okay (donīt ask me how I felt about it in november though. ), and frankly it doesn`t change anything, as there never even was anything "solid", at least not in terms of romance.

I do like the fact that we managed to establish some kind of communication-lines (at least potentally) though and the meeting in august was really nice and showed how we CAN interact, in an -almost- relaxed way.

Everything is okay for me. It just doesn`t seem really okay for him. And I am not really sure why. It`s not like he can be upset about me being compeltely accepting and supporting his choice, right?

posted January 21, 2016 11:38 AM              

Not much is happening in my progressions for February. I was in a last quarter phase, last year I think, now there's nothing going on between Sun and Moon. She is applying to square Jup and Uranus (which I suppose is why I decided to swear off marriage) and will sextile the Sun, but it happens later this year. The big news is the applying trine between Venus and Pluto, which will also be exact later this year (I'm talking about pPluto; the trine to nPluto is next year - no idea if it matters). At the same time t-Pluto is applying to trine my nVenus so that energy is supported by transits, but that won't happen until 2017. Still, Pluto will be within 1 deg orb of the trine this spring.

posted January 21, 2016 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
I remember you also had one (Sun/Venus conj / applying?) in the forward secondary progressions?

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Well we had that widely by close to 6d, good memory.

But in addition to my secondary p moon conjunct his natal Sun his secondary progressed moon conjuncted my ascendant and my southnode that day.

posted January 21, 2016 12:43 PM            

In 2013/ 2014 I had pMoon conjunct n and p Saturn, together with Tr Saturn squaring n Moon and trine pMoon and Saturn.

Tr Saturn trine n Saturn:
29th november 2013
1st july 2014
9th august 2014

Tr Saturn square nMoon
30th november 2013
26th june 2014
13th august 2014

pMoon conjunct nSaturn
2nd january 2014

But then again my poor Saturn is being put through the wringer anyway

Tr Jupiter conjunct nSaturn
19th september 2013
25th december 2013
13th may 2014

pMoon conjunct pSaturn
18th october 2013

Tr Saturn trine nSaturn
29th november 2013
1st july 2014
9th august 2014

pMoon conjunct nSaturn
2nd january 2014

saDESC conjunct nSaturn
5th march 2014

Tr Uranus square nSaturn
15th april 2015
25th november 2015
25th january 2016

sa Mars opposite nSaturn
28th december

Tr Pluto opposite nSaturn
3rd march 2016
5th june 2016
1st january 2017
8th september 2017
19th october 2017

Tr Jupiter square nSaturn
1st december 2016
18th april 2017

pDESC conjunct pSaturn
19th april 2017

Tr Saturn opposite nSaturn
20th february 2019
13th juily 2019
20th november 2019

Tr NN conjunct nSaturn
19th august 2019

pMoon square pSaturn
8th october 2019

pDESC conjunct nSaturn
17th april 2020

Anyone else get the feeling my Saturn is being thoroughly tested until becoming angular of my (secondary) progressed DESC? lol