posted February 04, 2016 04:11 PM            

vertex axis on the ascendant axis with the sun conjunct the ascendant and anti vertex makes the relationship very "other worldly", that is you can almost feel the karma that flows through you both. this can give strong psychic abilities and it can give you a sense you have know each other before. similar life coincidences similar idiosyncrasies .
with Neptune square the node combined with the karma of the vertex postion,this square shows powerful psychic connections it gives strong spiritual intuition and overall emotionally sensitively for each other.it can result in dram vision or waking vision's pertaining to each other.
with the potential given in these symbols alcohol or other party favorites could be very devastating for the relationship and associated abilities.

very interesting... the node is septile to the sun,vertex and ascendant.
now we are dealing with a relationship that was fated to be.
with mercury opposed to Pluto and trine to Neptune and moon. there are powerful healing forces. this relationship will be a magnet for friends ,all who have stress will find relief around you. such a strong emotional understanding of each other, yet few words are necessary as the your mind work the same, no matter how deep or obtuse the considerations.
Jupiter trine to Saturn bodes a marriage as it could only be a cosmic trickster to bring you together for anything less.

posted February 04, 2016 10:11 PM            

the 'fated' aspect I have no idea about yet. developments are absolutely new.

As for the sun + venus conjunct the ascendant (within 3 degrees) opposite the vertex in the composite I'm finding it rather interesting. It seems like quite a peculiar and powerful aspect.

As for our jupiter in the 11th house, this promises good times in our associations with others, does it not?

Not sure what a 12th house mercury would bring, although it's an interesting thought.

posted February 05, 2016 12:16 AM            

I believe I had this with my father, if my chart is correct.

We had a great relationship ~ he died before I got into astrology ~ only after I got into astrology did I see how much my relationship with him seems to have affected so many other things...as if he was the "stamp" that created patterns through my life.

posted February 05, 2016 02:08 AM            

What ways do you feel your father's synastry with you and the involvement of the vertex have influenced your life?

posted February 05, 2016 10:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
What ways do you feel your father's synastry with you and the involvement of the vertex have influenced your life?

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Oh, it's very strange, it's something that goes on and on. Like the numbers particular to my father, or me and my father, seem to come up again and again.

Edit: As I explained.

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Also, my condolences for having lost your father. I lost mine a few years ago too and were very close -- we certainly have some interesting synastry aspects. It can be nice to go over these things again later and see how they've played out in your life.

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So sorry...

And thanks for your understanding, too.

posted February 05, 2016 01:33 PM            

That certainly sparks an interest in me to look more at the charts of men that I've dated, and especially this new man I'm seeing as I find that I'm talking a lot about my family trauma and the loss of my father with him already. There's probably something interesting going on there. I feel a little silly opening up to him so soon about what my life was like and all of the things that could potentially be wrong with me but I've done it anyways. I have no idea if he'll stick around and I certainly don't expect him to be my therapist, but I feel very emotionally honest with him and maybe even a little raw.

I suppose we'll see how those things play out, or if they are indicated in the synastry or composite as well.

I'm really happy you met someone that could be a karmic grounding point between you and your father. I find myself looking to be around people that remind me of his compassion, integrity, and emotional kindness my father exhibited more than anything. There's certainly stuff to work with there that I find really interesting. Is there anything you suggest I look at with my father's chart? Unfortunately, I don't know what time he was born.

posted February 05, 2016 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Hey Todd,

the 'fated' aspect I have no idea about yet. developments are absolutely new.

As for the sun + venus conjunct the ascendant (within 3 degrees) opposite the vertex in the composite I'm finding it rather interesting. It seems like quite a peculiar and powerful aspect.

As for our jupiter in the 11th house, this promises good times in our associations with others, does it not?

Not sure what a 12th house mercury would bring, although it's an interesting thought.

Also an exact moon on the imum coeli. That aspect also seems interesting. Do you have any interpretations on that?

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one of the major aspects favorable for a serious relationship is the Venus/sun conjunction. the impulse of marriage is most oftem associate=ed with joy attraction and "fun" of life. the given was there is spontaneous affection which is must for romantic relationships moving further.

moon on the nadir shows her importance to"making"the relationship work. Her instincts are best .
mercury and moon and p[luto and Neptune harmonize together.one expect that even with a great sense of openness the Taurus nature of mercury withc pluto opposed may not like to divulge feelings.emotiona, experiences have been constricted by the world in the past.
the sun/moon midpoint is conjunct lilth and square to Jupiter ruler of matrimony and business contracts
the relationship points to marriage from many directions. this aspect shows that is the nature of this relationship tends toward commitment.

rahu

posted February 05, 2016 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@ Todd, what do you think about a jupiter/saturn square in synastry for marriage? There's actually a DW (a square and novile.) Would that indicate marriage probability as well..like the trine?

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you know tgem, I haven't followed synastry closely but Saturn square to juppiter is not a cohesive sspect .those symbols are opposites. I haven't tracked the affect of novile on the formation of relationships so I don't know.

todd

posted February 05, 2016 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Readytochill:
I have vertex conjunct ASC DW in synastry and sun/Venus conjunct ASC opposite vertex in composite with my boyfriend. It feels very fated and like we've known each other for a while. We have the same interests and values. We've changed each other's paths and even if we don't have a happily ever after, I feel like we'll still care about each other.

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that such a good description of how the vertex feels.

todd

posted February 05, 2016 04:51 PM            

I actually didn't mean to put the focus on the whole idea that our synastry with our fathers will always be echoed in synastry, or have great significance.

In my case, I have my sun and Saturn in mutual reception...Saturn representing the father...and I think maybe that's one reason why things with my father have so much astrological weight.

And we have the ASC-Vertex DW (I believe). Which were the main degrees repeated in patterning with my husband: father's Vertex & my ASC conjunct husband's sun. My Vertex, father's ASC conjunct husband's draconic sun.

So while it may be very interesting and helpful for you to study your father's chart, and your composite with him, and notice patterns, it wasn't my intention to promote that as something that will always have a ton of meaning for everyone.

Perhaps the ASC-Vertex relationships are the ones that set patterns for future relationships, somehow? Moreso than father-daughter? I really don't know.

posted February 05, 2016 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Anyone care to take a stab on this one? What do you see. Looking for information about vertexes especially. I'm the red chart in the synastry image.

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posted February 05, 2016 09:52 PM            

As for another composite chart reading you did for me Todd -- you ended up being right about that one. It ended up being an extremely emotionally abusive and volatile relationship. One week I was getting to know his family over the Christmas holidays and the next I felt like I was suffocating under his control. So certainly your thoughts and opinions on these things come across as rather interesting to me.

ReadyToChill: I'm interested in seeing how this plays out. I'm also glad to hear that this aspect is working out for you. Do you think the house that their ascendant falls into in this vertex conjunction plays a role in how it plays out?

Faith: Thanks for taking the time to explain what jumps out about the chart for you. Mercury in Pisces is a very compassionate position, isn't it? I also was completely unaware that the MC/IC conjunction was a thing, but now that I read up on it I find it very interesting! Thanks for teaching me something new. I always learn something here and get a fresh perspective.

Mar1982Delta: Wow on the link that you sent! I was looking for more information and I couldn't find anything quite as thorough as that post. I guess I missed it! This forum is a goldmine for astrological knowhow!

posted February 05, 2016 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:

ReadyToChill: I'm interested in seeing how this plays out. I'm also glad to hear that this aspect is working out for you. Do you think the house that their ascendant falls into in this vertex conjunction plays a role in how it plays out?

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Kitsune,

I believe the house the vertex is located in their chart shows how it plays out. With my ASC conjunct his vertex in the 8th, with intimacy, he said it changed him. He felt the depths and emotions sex can bring. Basically he experienced what the 8th house is about. With his ASC conjunct my vertex in the 5th, I think he brought lightheartedness and fun into my life.

We brought into each other's lives something we didn't think we wanted in a relationship. Now that we experienced it, it's something we can't live without. If we went our separate ways, I don't think I would be able to forget him and the things I learned by being in a relationship with him

I'm curious how this aspect is going to play out between you two

How do you feel about his Jupiter and Mercury falling into your 7th and his sun in your 8th? I have that with my boyfriend. Those same planets on those same houses but different signs as your guys'.

posted February 05, 2016 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Readytochill:
Kitsune,

I believe the house the vertex is located in their chart shows how it plays out. With my ASC conjunct his vertex in the 8th, with intimacy, he said it changed him. He felt the depths and emotions sex can bring. Basically he experienced what the 8th house is about. With his ASC conjunct my vertex in the 5th, I think he brought lightheartedness and fun into my life.

We brought into each other's lives something we didn't think we wanted in a relationship. Now that we experienced it, it's something we can't live without. If we went our separate ways, I don't think I would be able to forget him and the things I learned by being in a relationship with him

I'm curious how this aspect is going to play out between you two

How do you feel about his Jupiter and Mercury falling into your 7th and his sun in your 8th? I have that with my boyfriend. Those same planets on those same houses but different signs as your guys'.

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I'm really not sure how those will play out yet but certainly it will bring all sorts of possibilities to one on one relationships and lots of dialogue. I'm assuming Jupiter falling into the 7th house is also a favourable marriage aspect. Lots of those seem to be floating around *headsmack*

As for sun in the 8th house, things feel so incredibly intense already **for me**. Not sure how I'm going to manage it. I can see me being the sun in the 5th for him already. I feel like he finds me fun.

I find it interesting that his vertex conjuncts my ascendant in the 7th house and mine his in the 6th. I feel like on my end he might ground me in order to achieve more of my goals. On his end, maybe he'll want to marry me? hahaha.

posted February 10, 2016 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Also, if anyone can comment -- do you think jealousy will play a role in this relationship at all from what you see?

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I am warning you that I am no expert, far from it, so take my words with a grain of salt.
But, as far as it concerns your question about jealousy, I think so, because :
1) In synastry his Pluto trines your Sun and your Pluto trines his moon, but maybe because of the trines, this isn't going to manifest in a hard way, perhaps?
2) In the composite, lilith conjuncts the s/m midpoint, so I think that really strong, maybe even dark feelings will manifest, and although lilith is not about jealousy, maybe this could come as a result of the intense, seductive side of lilith.
But wait for others to comment, too! Good luck!

posted February 10, 2016 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Also, if anyone can comment -- do you think jealousy will play a role in this relationship at all from what you see?

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I don't see jealousy because Neptune is sextile and trine to mercury/moon and pluto. but if you have concerns you might add eris ot he composite.

posted February 10, 2016 06:12 PM            

In regards to interpretation I'm apt to agree with Todd. I've currently put a lot of things on the table that would make most men jealous and he's either not investing emotionally because of this or there's a disarming quality about our relationship.

It's been chock full of emotional intimacy thus far.

posted February 10, 2016 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
Thank you both of you!

In regards to interpretation I'm apt to agree with Todd. I've currently put a lot of things on the table that would make most men jealous and he's either not investing emotionally because of this or there's a disarming quality about our relationship.

It's been chock full of emotional intimacy thus far.

I suppose I should just let things progress and see where they go. I feel like this a slow burn rather than something immediate and intense.

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Definitely listen to Todd, I am just learning and thought I'd give it a try! So, disregard my "interpretation"!

posted February 10, 2016 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Definitely listen to Todd, I am just learning and thought I'd give it a try! So, disregard my "interpretation"!

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I think we all ought to give it a stab and give our thoughts. There's no way to get any better if we don't!

posted February 10, 2016 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Kitsune:
I think we all ought to give it a stab and give our thoughts. There's no way to get any better if we don't!

I usually come here with personal charts because I'm terribly biased in interpreting them myself. Do you have anything you want me to take a swing at? :P

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Hahahaha, I didn't know there was going to be an exchange offer!!! I really appreciate that! Yes, of course I have, it's a synastry that I have torn down to pieces, but a fresh eye is always better! Plus, I am still learning, so any help is really welcome! Here it is!

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