posted February 22, 2016 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, yes, solar fire is a software, and it is a very expensive one, (it was a birthday gift to myself, a pretty large one ).

Anyway the software planetdance is for free, and we can do age harmonics with it, the only problem is for day age harmonics we need to know the exact decimal of the age, 41, 234 for example.

But I would totally suggest downloading planetdance, I did so too and work with it equally much as with solar fire. it is really good .

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Oh, I see! I suspected something like that! lol
When I manage to learn more about astrology and won't have any financial problems anymore, I will totally buy it!
Till then I ll get the other you suggested, I appreciate it !

posted February 22, 2016 04:41 PM            

as for the EVC to natal midpoints, did you also consider oppositions and squares within 15 minutes?

I found it funny but my EVC Jupiter for the concert on saturday is on 15°23 Sagittarius, conjunct my n Sun/Mars on 15°33 Sagittarius,w hich is nice on itself, however it ALSO conjuncts our composite Mercury on 17°12 Sag (wide of course) and Neptune on 15°12 Sag (definitely within the 15 minute orb).

posted February 22, 2016 04:52 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

as for the EVC to natal midpoints, did you also consider oppositions and squares within 15 minutes?

I found it funny but my EVC Jupiter for the concert on saturday is on 15°23 Sagittarius, conjunct my n Sun/Mars on 15°33 Sagittarius,w hich is nice on itself, however it ALSO conjuncts our composite Mercury on 17°12 Sag (wide of course) and Neptune on 15°12 Sag (definitely within the 15 minute orb).

I liked that. lol

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Yes, I made a list just after you posted about the 15 minute lol, it's in the previous page Maybe I forgot some squares, I have to recheck it!
Or maybe I didn't understand your question well enough lol
Ohhhh, this is very beautiful!!! You are going to have a very good time there

edit : If we consider these as well

posted February 22, 2016 05:22 PM            

I won't ask you anymore, I look for past or future age harmonics and I have just found so many connections I feel dizzy lol

edit : Ok, perhaps it's just me and I get overwhelmed easily, but

in the age harmonic of the year that I met my ex-relationship of 7 years
His age harmonic node (29 34' Cancer) was ON my natal Descendant and Sun (29 14' Cancer and 0 32 Leo)
AND
his age harmonic vertex 21 18' leo on my natal s/m midpoint
AND
his age harmonic mars (28 35 cap) on my natal Asc (28 14 cap)
AND
his age harmonic Uranus (10 03 virgo) on my natal moon (10 56)

in my age harmonic
I had a conjunction of a.h.Sun (12 17 sag) with a.h.Eros (13 13) lol

and then
the a.h. Moon (11 18) widely conjunct my natal NN (13 16)
but
my a.h. MC (14 14) conjunct my natal South Node (13 16)
and the a.h.Neptune (29 31) conjunct my natal Anti-vx (0 28)

posted February 22, 2016 06:17 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by JeanC:
So how do you calculate an 'age harmonic'?
The age in years?

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posted February 23, 2016 02:03 AM            

nodal axis is about connections, mostly, so if configured with Sun/moon-mp you can imagine what it might mean.

posted February 23, 2016 02:55 AM            

conjunction/opposition/square
within 1 degree orb (maybe 1°30)

of harmonic planets/ angles to the other`s harmonic or natal planets/angles

so you will know what you trigger in each other, and then proceeding with checking the midpoints of each simultaneously triggered planet.

and of course also check the aspects within each individual`s harmonic that are being triggered by this.

For example last year Mr Sag`s AH Saturn was on 4°49 Gemini and hence exactly opposing my n Mars as well as my AH Venus.
What does it tell us? Well for once that I was having my AH Venus conjunct n Mars exact (in 12th house natally, but widely conjunct the ASC at 2 degrees)

It was a double hit actually, because his n Saturn was ALSO squaring my AH Mars (which had been opposing his n Sun, his n Moon widely and conjunct his n IC widely at about 1,5-2 degrees and squaring his DESC and Vertex widely as well - when I say "wide" I am talking about 2 degree orb max btw).

Well I guess with my Mars slamming into all of this (and my AH Moon was 2 degrees off my AH mars as well) he needed the Saturnian control defense system.

posted February 23, 2016 06:27 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wouldn`t mix up age harmonics with Dracos, at least not before you have a firm grasp on interpreting harmonics on their own.
the Sun-DESC and NN-DES for that relationship seems very spot on, typical strong relationship starter marking posts.

nodal axis is about connections, mostly, so if configured with Sun/moon-mp you can imagine what it might mean.

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posted February 23, 2016 06:33 AM            

Unzip and copy the script to c:\planetdance\ab\extra then start from horoscope - extra.

posted February 23, 2016 06:38 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by JeanC:
If you use planetdance you can download a script for age harmonics here http://jcremers.com/AgeHarmonic.zip

Unzip and copy the script to c:\planetdance\ab\extra then start from horoscope - extra.

Requires a more or less recent version of planetdance.

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By saying a "script" do you mean an interpretation?
Yes, I downloaded planetdance just yesterday, but I didn't quite learn to use it yet, so thanks!

posted February 23, 2016 06:49 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
what might also be interesting is in synastry checking for

conjunction/opposition/square
within 1 degree orb (maybe 1°30)

of harmonic planets/ angles to the other`s harmonic or natal planets/angles

so you will know what you trigger in each other, and then proceeding with checking the midpoints of each simultaneously triggered planet.

and of course also check the aspects within each individual`s harmonic that are being triggered by this.

For example last year Mr Sag`s AH Saturn was on 4°49 Gemini and hence exactly opposing my n Mars as well as my AH Venus.
What does it tell us? Well for once that I was having my AH Venus conjunct n Mars exact (in 12th house natally, but widely conjunct the ASC at 2 degrees)

It was a double hit actually, because his n Saturn was ALSO squaring my AH Mars (which had been opposing his n Sun, his n Moon widely and conjunct his n IC widely at about 1,5-2 degrees and squaring his DESC and Vertex widely as well - when I say "wide" I am talking about 2 degree orb max btw).

Well I guess with my Mars slamming into all of this (and my AH Moon was 2 degrees off my AH mars as well) he needed the Saturnian control defense system.

EDIT
I guess it didn´t help calm down things that my n uranus was conjunct his AH IC exact and my AH uranus was exactly conjunct his n DESC (possibly the tightest aspect) (and I was having an exact Moon-Uranus-square in my Age harmonic chart last year, which was making a T-square with my natal Sun-Mercury-conjunction, and the AH Uranus was the apex planet. lol)

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posted February 23, 2016 08:04 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
By saying a "script" do you mean an interpretation?
Yes, I downloaded planetdance just yesterday, but I didn't quite learn to use it yet, so thanks!

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posted February 23, 2016 09:38 AM            

Personally I give precedence to either the closest conjunctions to the angles (including Vertex), Sun, Moon or nodal axis or the conjunctions to the angles, Sun, Moon, nodal axis, which are in a close aspect to other planets

Dymock Bromose, who had been working extensively with age harmonics, lists these as a method for finding the dominant feature

"°A planet on an Angle or conjunct the Floating Mc, the Vertex or the Ascendant

°A Ptolemy Aspect with the smallest orb. Conjunctions are the most powerful links

°Interplanetary Aspects in general take precedence over Aspects involving a Zodiacal Point

°A complex of planets linked by tight Aspects (including minor Aspects)

°A Stellium in a House

°A Singleton high in the Chart or opposing a number of other significators
When Significators are well away from the House Cusps give priority to the Houses ruled, not those occupied
- See more at: http://zodijack.nl/home/tests-english.html#sthash.hRJtQlU9.dpuf

I agree with the first four points, not so much with the following ones (mainly because there are not really houses in a harmonic chart, unless of course we use equal house system)

I also think that an exact conjunction of an Age harmonic planet with the natal chart will be of significance, especially if it is a personal or personalized natal planet (personalized planets in my view are outer planets and social planets, which are placed on an angle or ruling one, and also the 5th and 8th house and 2nd house in relationship matters)

But I`ve actually have developed a habit to print out my daily age harmonics before seeing Mr Sag (mostly because it involved a trip and I had to kill some time before. lol) and no matter how grand or amazing I thought the charts were looking before, the one thing that struck me again and again is how close the orbs apparently have to really be (really within 1 degree orb, if we are dealing with planets) and that nothing ever happened or took place UNLESS there was a tight conjunction to a natal or harmonic angle, and for some reason there seems to have been always a Sun-mercury or Sun-Mars-aspect in play synastrically when we talked (especially with the square actually).
I think I remember that these were also always tied to the natal chart in some way (conjunct, opposite or square a natal angle or at least a personal planet).

However that was the daily age harmonic. I would have to check if the yearly age harmonic work that way, too. I could imagine that these need transits to be triggered.

For example on that fanmeeting when there was a lot of communication between us, well more or less him teasing me, I guess. lol

Well in the age harmonic of that year we had:

my h-Jupiter 28°36 Aquarius
(my n - Lilith 27°59 Aquarius)
his h-mars 28°28 Scorpio

so a square between harmonic Jupiter and harmonic Mars, though it was not very strongly tied to our natal angles or luminaries, (WELL my hJupiter was sextile his n Moon exactly, but this,w hile supportive, would never have been too strong on its own)

But this was of course there for the whole year, and we did not interact Mars-Jupiter-like the whole year, though we did that day.

And that particular day in the Transits there was

Tr Moon 27°56 Scorpio
Tr Saturn 28°37 Scorpio
Tr Sun 29°17 Leo

the transiting Moon-Sun square apparently linking with this harmonic feature was triggering the interaction. Hmm, making the TrMoon-Saturn on his h mars the Apex planet of the T-square. Interesting. Well he was starting it after all and in fact always the one relating to me, I was more or less simply throwing back the ball he threw me. lol

BTW as I mentioned midpoints,

his h Mars square h Mercury/Pluto 0°02
his h Mars square h Mercury/ASC 0°41
his h Mars opposite h Mercury/ MC 1°10
(the last one being wide)

his h Mercury/Pluto was on 28°30 Leo
(so directly triggered by the Tr Sun, and also on the direct far midpoint of my h Jupiter)

As you can see his harmonic Mars that year was vibrating a lot with mercury (communication).

and if we look the meanings up we get something like

ME/PL=MA From thinking and understanding to action. To plan and carry out something.

- interestingly it was just a few weeks before that I had casually mentioned to him that I would probably be too shy to attend that meeting with a room full of strangers. lol I had seen him after that post I made (and he pretty much told me to not be shy), and I remember the moment he saw me and recognized me, how it seemed like some thinking process was taking place right behind his forehead, almost like for him pretty much fell into place about how to really weigh my weird evasive erratic behaviour I ahd shown in the years before. Almost like he suddenly understood something that never had made much sense to him before.
Of course I do not know if that is what really happened, but he looked as if it did. lol
and then on the meeting itself would not let me out of his sight nor attention.

AS/ME=MA Dispute with others. To be critically and sharply judged.

You could state it like that! Though it was done as a joke or more playfully. Hey he was taking a lot of time with the questionnaire I had filled out and really munching on it and judging it (he has such a teacher attitude sometimes) and was just like a dog with a bone with that bit of paper, so I was loudly complaining that it was unfair treating me so differently, while he had glossed over the mistakes the others made. Well he just grinned and kept on doing what he did. It was all just good fun though. lol

MC/ME=MA To concentrate on work. Opinions concerning one's own work.

And my midpoints were

Jupiter square Sun/Neptune 0°57
Jupiter square Saturn/ASC 0°57
Jupiter square Neptune/MC 0°15

For me it seems to have been much more fraught with confusion, and a feeling of bewilderment.

SO/NE=JU To be fortunate through passive physical activity.

AS/SA=JU Separation with fortunate ending. Deserted by co-tenants. Change of residence.
- this reminds me of how he was complaining about me leaving, when I left the meeting earlier than it actually was. lol

BTW what I was mentioning about the Sun-Mars-Mercury combinations in the daily age harmonics, it came up in the yearly one as well.

my hMars opposing his n Sun 0°05
(his n Sun conjunct my n Mercury)

his h Mercury conjunct my h Mars 1°34
(his h Merucry opposing his own n Moon-MC and this being conjunct my n Sun-Mercury)

It was not triggered at that particular day though.

posted February 23, 2016 09:59 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Prioritizing aspects is always an essential question (and one people very often like to forget). I don´t have a final solution for that (more a work in progress, or thought in progress).

Personally I give precedence to either the closest conjunctions to the angles (including Vertex), Sun, Moon or nodal axis or the conjunctions to the angles, Sun, Moon, nodal axis, which are in a close aspect to other planets

Dymock Bromose, who had been working extensively with age harmonics, lists these as a method for finding the dominant feature

"°A planet on an Angle or conjunct the Floating Mc, the Vertex or the Ascendant

°A Ptolemy Aspect with the smallest orb. Conjunctions are the most powerful links

°Interplanetary Aspects in general take precedence over Aspects involving a Zodiacal Point

°A complex of planets linked by tight Aspects (including minor Aspects)

°A Stellium in a House

°A Singleton high in the Chart or opposing a number of other significators
When Significators are well away from the House Cusps give priority to the Houses ruled, not those occupied
- See more at: http://zodijack.nl/home/tests-english.html#sthash.hRJtQlU9.dpuf

I agree with the first four points, not so much with the following ones (mainly because there are not really houses in a harmonic chart, unless of course we use equal house system)

I also think that an exact conjunction of an Age harmonic planet with the natal chart will be of significance, especially if it is a personal or personalized natal planet (personalized planets in my view are outer planets and social planets, which are placed on an angle or ruling one, and also the 5th and 8th house and 2nd house in relationship matters)

But I`ve actually have developed a habit to print out my daily age harmonics before seeing Mr Sag (mostly because it involved a trip and I had to kill some time before. lol) and no matter how grand or amazing I thought the charts were looking before, the one thing that struck me again and again is how close the orbs apparently have to really be (really within 1 degree orb, if we are dealing with planets) and that nothing ever happened or took place UNLESS there was a tight conjunction to a natal or harmonic angle, and for some reason there seems to have been always a Sun-mercury or Sun-Mars-aspect in play synastrically when we talked (especially with the square actually).
I think I remember that these were also always tied to the natal chart in some way (conjunct, opposite or square a natal angle or at least a personal planet).

However that was the daily age harmonic. I would have to check if the yearly age harmonic work that way, too. I could imagine that these need transits to be triggered.

For example on that fanmeeting when there was a lot of communication between us, well more or less him teasing me, I guess. lol

Well in the age harmonic of that year we had:

my h-Jupiter 28°36 Aquarius
(my n - Lilith 27°59 Aquarius)
his h-mars 28°28 Scorpio

so a square between harmonic Jupiter and harmonic Mars, though it was not very strongly tied to our natal angles or luminaries, (WELL my hJupiter was sextile his n Moon exactly, but this,w hile supportive, would never have been too strong on its own)

But this was of course there for the whole year, and we did not interact Mars-Jupiter-like the whole year, though we did that day.

And that particular day in the Transits there was

Tr Moon 27°56 Scorpio
Tr Saturn 28°37 Scorpio
Tr Sun 29°17 Leo

the transiting Moon-Sun square apparently linking with this harmonic feature was triggering the interaction. Hmm, making the TrMoon-Saturn on his h mars the Apex planet of the T-square. Interesting. Well he was starting it after all and in fact always the one relating to me, I was more or less simply throwing back the ball he threw me. lol

BTW as I mentioned midpoints,

his h Mars square h Mercury/Pluto 0°02
his h Mars square h Mercury/ASC 0°41
his h Mars opposite h Mercury/ MC 1°10
(the last one being wide)

his h Mercury/Pluto was on 28°30 Leo
(so directly triggered by the Tr Sun, and also on the direct far midpoint of my h Jupiter)

As you can see his harmonic Mars that year was vibrating a lot with mercury (communication).

and if we look the meanings up we get something like

ME/PL=MA From thinking and understanding to action. To plan and carry out something.

- interestingly it was just a few weeks before that I had casually mentioned to him that I would probably be too shy to attend that meeting with a room full of strangers. lol I had seen him after that post I made (and he pretty much told me to not be shy), and I remember the moment he saw me and recognized me, how it seemed like some thinking process was taking place right behind his forehead, almost like for him pretty much fell into place about how to really weigh my weird evasive erratic behaviour I ahd shown in the years before. Almost like he suddenly understood something that never had made much sense to him before.
Of course I do not know if that is what really happened, but he looked as if it did. lol
and then on the meeting itself would not let me out of his sight nor attention.

AS/ME=MA Dispute with others. To be critically and sharply judged.

You could state it like that! Though it was done as a joke or more playfully. Hey he was taking a lot of time with the questionnaire I had filled out and really munching on it and judging it (he has such a teacher attitude sometimes) and was just like a dog with a bone with that bit of paper, so I was loudly complaining that it was unfair treating me so differently, while he had glossed over the mistakes the others made. Well he just grinned and kept on doing what he did. It was all just good fun though. lol

MC/ME=MA To concentrate on work. Opinions concerning one's own work.

And my midpoints were

Jupiter square Sun/Neptune 0°57
Jupiter square Saturn/ASC 0°57
Jupiter square Neptune/MC 0°15

For me it seems to have been much more fraught with confusion, and a feeling of bewilderment.

SO/NE=JU To be fortunate through passive physical activity.

AS/SA=JU Separation with fortunate ending. Deserted by co-tenants. Change of residence.
- this reminds me of how he was complaining about me leaving, when I left the meeting earlier than it actually was. lol

BTW what I was mentioning about the Sun-Mars-Mercury combinations in the daily age harmonics, it came up in the yearly one as well.

my hMars opposing his n Sun 0°05
(his n Sun conjunct my n Mercury)

his h Mercury conjunct my h Mars 1°34
(his h Merucry opposing his own n Moon-MC and this being conjunct my n Sun-Mercury)

It was not triggered at that particular day though.

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posted February 23, 2016 11:48 AM            

For example in my last Age harmonic

Moon 24°15 Gemini
Mars 26°52 Gemini
Uranus 24°32 Virgo

While the Moon-Uranus-square is out of question, it is debatable if there is a conjunction between Moon and Mars, or not.
However, while this is over 2 degree orb, both are also opposing my n Sun on 25°56 Sagittarius, so I would count it as a combo. However i still think it might not be so strong as if it would have been, had the orbs been nearer to 1 degree.

"
As for the list of Dymock Bromose, is this valid for both the comparison between 2 A.H. for example and the comparison between A.H. and natal?"
I think Bromose was using exclusively the Age harmonic chart (daily age harmonic charts) as a stand alone chart. In fact that is where I would start as well, getting a clear grasp of what is going on and what is standing out in the age harmonic and only then relate it back to the natal.

However Alice Portman wrote that about the harmonics, and I can see that as well:

"Daily Age Harmonics move very fast, so they are always contacting Age Harmonic and natal planets and angles. Therefore they need planetary transits to bring potential events into the outer world. Usually, if there is no planetary transit(s) to an Age Harmonic Chart (which is also activating the natal chart), no event will happen. The process will stay internal. However, this is a “rule of thumb” as other forces can enable Daily Age Harmonics (which trigger the natal chart) to manifest as events."
http://aliceportman.com/daily-age-harmonics/

"The Daily Age Harmonic chart will always trigger the angles of the natal chart and/or the Daily Age Harmonic chart at the time of important events in the life.

Daily Age Harmonic charts can be read as stand alone charts but they are particularly effective when compared to the radix or Year Harmonic charts."

"Relationship Harmonics
In an event like a marriage or association of any kind, the Age Harmonic of one person usually triggers the natal chart of the other." http://aliceportman.com/prince-williams-age-harmonics-for-his-wedding/

"Age Harmonics are very specific—they work within one degree, and are often much closer than that. Therefore, if an Age Harmonic conjunction to a natal planet or angle is over one degree, you don’t count it at all."
http://aliceportman.com/daily-age-harmonics/

However, I noticed something interestingly in my own chart.

My Age harmonic for the current year has:

Sun conjunct Venus/ASC 1°05

(hVenus: 11 Virgo
h Sun: 13 Cancer
h ASC 17 Taurus)

and the tightest aspects this year are

Neptune trine ASC 0°11
Moon trine Venus 0°12

And on saturday`s daily age harmonic the midpoint picture gets repeated.

ASC 6°02 Cap
Sun 5°23 Virgo
Venus 5°12 Scorpio
(Neptune 6°47 Scorpio)

this results into

Sun conjunct Venus/ASC 0°14

tightest aspects:
Sun sextile Venus 0°10

(not a 4th harmonic one, but a ptolemaic one, as Bromose said to be looking for)

It just baffled me that this pattern of the age harmonic for the year gets repeated or reflected this saturday.

Oh and also i found it sort of interesting that I have

Yearly age harmonic Sun 13°19 Cancer
day age harmonic Moon 13°26 Cancer

No clue if that even bears any meaning at all, but it got my attention!

" do you mean that the aspects inside the A.H. take precedence over the comparison of the A.H. to natal?"
No with that he meant that aspects between planets are more important than aspects to the angles (excluding the conjunction).
So something like Venus conjunct Neptune would have been more important to him than Neptune trine ASC.

posted February 23, 2016 12:27 PM            

AH Venus 8°30 Pisces
AH MC 8°38 Pisces
AH Vertex 8°40 Gemini

which indeed triggered my Mom`s natal

her n NN 8°32 Pisces
her n MC 8°42 Pisces

And from her perspective

her AH Venus 10°48 Cancer
her n ASC 11°51 Cancer

his n Mars 9°19 Libra
his n NN 9°43 Aries

(I suppose she might have been born a few minutes earlier actually, which would bring her ASC in a closer alignment, Nevertheless it`s pretty outstanding as it is.)

BTW they got married on a day with

Tr Juno 9°11 Pisces
Tr Ceres 9°37 Pisces
Tr Neptune 8°24 Sag

It certainly surprised me seeing Tr Neptune in a square to her MC-NN and his AH Venus-MC, but 42 years down the road we know it didn`t do too much damage to their marriage.
And the Juno-Ceres-conjunction on top of their harmonic alignment is just cherry on top so to speak.

Later that day, about 6-8 hours after taking their vows, Tr Moon was also passing over my Mom`s AH Venus and n ASC and hence activating THAT alignment as well.

BTW my Mom`s day harmonic Mars was at 8 Cancer, my Dad`s day harmonic Pluto at 9 Cancer.

They were trine the Pisces-combo, and at least my Dad`s dah Pluto was in orb for conjunct her AH Venus (and possibly n ASC) and both definitely squared his n Mars-SN-conjunction.

posted February 23, 2016 01:38 PM            

But actually it is going on and on

on 13th march when I see Lancelot on his solo concert (will attend some play Mr Sag directed the day before though)

ASC 16 Cancer

Sun 16 Virgo

Venus 16 Scorpio

(THIS is shocking! because DAH ASC is conjunct my natal Saturn exact, putting Tr Pluto on the DAH DESC exact, DAH Sun opposing my n Juno, conjunct Mr Sag`s Lilith and maybe most importantly conjunct Lancelots Moon-NN-conjunction exact!

And Venus on 16 Scorpio? My natal Lancelot is there! ROFL

the date apart from the Sun-Venus-ASC also puts DAH MC EXACT on my natal DESC on 7 Gemini and dAH Vertex exact on my natal Venus on 6 Cap.

coming with an exact Mars-Jupiter-conjunction on 00 Taurus

anyway so this day, TOO has Sun conjunct Venus/ASC - this time the orb is 0°03. It is so exact!

Funny I actually would never have looked up that date, if I had not seen the Venus/Sun/ASC thing in the age harmonic of the year and of this weekend.

And I looked the midpoint picture in the interpretations up

AS/VE=SO Love of others bestowed upon the body (To physically enjoy the love of others). Harmony in personal connections.

posted February 23, 2016 02:50 PM            

Wish I had a crush on someone, then I'd feel driven to study charts more.

And then I could keep up with you girls.

Maybe.

posted February 23, 2016 02:59 PM            

You know me, always shooting far beyond the mark.

posted February 23, 2016 03:14 PM            

I'm reading this thread haphazardly, scanning and studying as I go along. I might decide to reply to an "old" post later...

For now, someone asked about second decan Pisces in Astro 2.0, and that got me thinking about how so many of my husband's friends have their suns there...and my moon is there. I realized it might be a midpoint thing, and sure enough, he has tons of them in second decan Virgo.

These all closely oppose my 18.12 Pisces moon:

His...
17.30 Virgo moon/Jupiter mp
17.33 Virgo Venus/Jupiter mp
18.38 Virgo Uranus/Neptune mp
18.42 Virgo moon/Mercury mp
18.52 Virgo sun/Neptune mp

His EVC with our wedding (start time) has the IC at 20 Virgo, on his 20 Virgo moon/Venus MP with only 0.05° orb.

Also:

3.44 EVC Gemini sun
3.33 EVC Cancer Jupiter
3.35 EVC Libra Mars
3.40 EVC Libra NN
3.06 Libra Venus/Neptune MP (natal)

But that's too wide an orb?

No....override

I'm making up new rules, k??

He married someone with Venus (arguably) conjunct Neptune, so of course his Venus-Neptune MP was relevant!

posted February 23, 2016 03:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW as a little detour....
speaking of Age harmonics, well I personally can even check the daily age harmonics with my solar fire, however astro.com only has the option of age harmonics for the year, but they work quite reliably (they did for my parents as well, as they got married when my Dad`s age harmonic Venus was exactly conjunct my Mom`s n NN-MC, plus they had some Sun-DESC and Venus-Sun in the age harmonics of that year if I remember it rightly).

Anyway age harmonics for any given year can actually be read like a solar return, and work also in synastry, to see how you respond to each othr during the year, so I thought it would be interesting to do an Age harmonci synastry for this year for him and me.

Anyway while there is more than this one aspect, it did strike me, that my Age harmonic Venus this year is at 11°09 Virgo, pretty much precisely on his n Mars on 11°05 Virgo. lol

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I need to check these age harmonics, I've never worked with them before...but I love what you wrote about your parents, above.

posted February 23, 2016 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Oh, I see, that's interesting. I ll look into that, thanks!

Ok, as for the EVC's planets to his natal midpoints we' ve got only two in 0 15' orb lol
1) neptune 0 29 aqua opposit pluto/chiron in 0 20' leo
2) in the "progressed" EVC, with my sun as the evc's Asc., the "progressed" Asc in 0 38' Leo is on his pluto/chiron 0 28' Leo.

I can't say I understand much of what these two mean lol

As for my EVC's planets to my midpoints, there are a lot more (apparently, as I was more emotionally involved ) :

1) EVC'S Moon in 10 22 Leo on my mars/chiron in 10 28' Leo
2) EVC's Moon on my pluto/chiron in 10 33' leo
3) EVC's Mars in 8 39' scorpio oon my saturn/uranus in 8 36' scorpio
4) EVC's Saturn in 15 56' Scorpio on my Jupiter/uranus 16 03' Scorpio

and
finally, what I discussed with Faith and I think it was major
5) EVC's Pholus in 20 29' Aqua opposite my S/M midpoint in 20 43' leo.

I think my evc's moon on my mars/chiron midpoint might be telling, mostly because it's mirroring his evc's mars-chiron opposition.
Plus, in both evc's we have planets to the pluto/chiron midpoint, I wonder what this may mean, if anything important of course.
Basically I think that not only in his EVC we had a "mirror" of his natal chart, with the yod etc., but in my EVC as well!
Specifically, my EVC's Ascendant is opposite my natal Mars-Pluto conjunction and my EVC's IC is on my Sun, though not within 15 minutes. So that is like the EVC mirrors my natal Mars-Pluto square Sun, I suppose I think these two alone are very telling, but if we narrow down the orb, perhaps it means that they aren't so important after all. What do you think?

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Really interesting analysis...sorry I didn't comment before, I was just glancing through...

I don't know why the orb has to be that tight?

It does look like your sun square Mars-Pluto is "the" issue here, I'd say even moreso than Mars-Chiron, because of the angle involvement.

Whatever is on the angles is usually most apparent, regardless of underlying motives and feelings...I think. Of course, the IC can be interpreted as a center of feelings so that one is different.

posted February 23, 2016 03:46 PM            

Wow I love those! Especially Moon/jupiter and Venus/Jupiter is such a feeling-good-love-treasure.

Anyway did you realize the solar ecclipse in March will be exactly on your Moon?
How do you feel about that?

BTW my Sun/SN and Mercury/SN are on 18°02 and 17°36 Pisces.

Of course I believe squares to midpoints are valid and significant, too, so add to that:

Mercury/Neptune 17°29 Sag
Mercury/NN 17°36 Sag
Sun/NN 18°02 Sag
Sun/Neptune 18°56 Sag

I think that totally fits with what we are talking about most of the time, too!
All that Neptunian stuff.

"His EVC with our wedding (start time) has the IC at 20 Virgo, on his 20 Virgo moon/Venus MP with only 0.05° orb."
Wow! Incredible!!!
Slamming right into his "ideal woman archetype"
He probably was feeling very affectionate.

"3.44 EVC Gemini sun
3.33 EVC Cancer Jupiter
3.35 EVC Libra Mars
3.40 EVC Libra NN
3.06 Libra Venus/Neptune MP (natal)

But that's too wide an orb?"

No, who sais that? It`s all well within 1 degree orb.
I was just singling out the 15 minutes orb as absolute peak moment, but of course orbs of 30 minutes up to 1 degree are totally valid, too, especially if there is such a lumping together!

That Venus/Neptune keeps on coming up, for some weird reason it seems to be present for Mr Sag and me often, too (heck he even started getting all weird about me when his solar arc Neptune was conjnct his n Venus exact. lol Well in fact the absolute peak of this was the exact day of that one concert in october one and a half year ago. REmember the one?
Where despite us not talking he spent most of the concert time simply staring at me, resulting in his co-singer to having to stifle a short fit of laughter -I swear she was so hard trying not to laugh and winking at me- and later on when I passer her his wife making this not so nice remark about me.
Yeah this was one weird evening. It was all a chaos."

Funny enough my Pluto is square his Venus/Neptune-mp (which is actually not that wide off my n Venus, well probably too wide to count, but still interestingly ambient)

His Venus/Neptune 8°11 Cap
my Venus 6°07 Cap
my Pluto 9°05 Libra

The description of the aspect made me smile though.

"VE/NE=PL Development of a secret sympathy."

In his own chart Venus is exactly square the Neptune/Node-mp (0°00). I wonder if that is why this keeps on coming up, the combo of venus, Neptune and Node (of course I have a combo of Mars, Neptune, Node in MY chart, conjunct at about 5 degrees)

posted February 23, 2016 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

And you got a kiss this year from Mr Sag (AH Venus on his Mars!) unlike other years where you just drove him crazy and made him write songs about falling in love. Then again you two are just moving in smaller and smaller concentric orbits around each other, it seems.

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Haha, lol YES.
Though hey I wouldn´t object to another song...

BTW his natal Mars comes with this mdipoint tree:

Mars:
square Moon/Uranus 0°04 (!)
square Uranus/MC 0°14
square Sun/Uranus 0°54

MO/UR=MA Hours of energetic activities. Excited through actions that have been taken or to act in the state of excitement.

MC/UR=MA A spontaneous decision. To beat about oneself. Sudden physical attacks on others.

SO/UR=MA Working in too hurried a manner. To rush. Physically aggressive and impulsive. Spontaneous decisions. To act precipitously (abruptly). Excitements through acts of will.

Well I guess this is not the calmest natal midpoint picture. lol
I do activate it anyway (with my n Jupiter, n Neptune and n nodal axis), but now bringing my temporary Venus in this, it gets a little tilted to that:

MO/UR=VE Women energetically defending love. Surprising love adventures. To give oneself up to inner stress.

SO/UR=VE Unexpected affection or love. Sudden events concerning love. Romantic love. To be ecstatic over love. A happy surprise.
(this one is coming up over and over again, too, in fact he is going to have that at tight orb in his EVC with saturday as well. And of course he has it through his pr Venus anyway, which is EXACT on my AH Venus, so the same midpoints being triggered)

MC/SO=VE Harmony between body and soul. To make peace. Body and soul are devoted to love. To show one's preferences.

and from my perspective, in my Age harmonic Venus is in these midpoints:

Venus square Jupiter/Pluto 0°04*
Venus square Sun/Moon 1°11
Venus square Mars/Neptune 1°11

These might be a tad wide though

the picture of venus= Jupiter/Pluto I encountered recently, too, when I realized that our composite has

Uranus=Jupiter/Pluto and on saturday Tr Venus will be opposite the Jupiter/Pluto-mp, hence this is going to be a temporary
Venus = Uranus= Jupiter/Pluto

And the funny thing is, not only is Tr Venus square composite Uranus, but Tr Uranus is still square composite Venus as well.

anyway as for the meanings

JU/PL=VE Beginning of a game of love. Beginning of a pleasant change.

and of course that means his Mars activates my Jupiter/Pluto
which does not sound too romantic or whatever

JU/PL=MA To plan successfully. The carrying out of fortunate plans.

Additionally the AH Venus and his n Mars are in these midpoints in my natal chart:

Neptune/node 10°03 Sag
Moon/MC 11°02 Sag (the tightest)
URanus/Vertex 11°25 Virgo

Personally I like the fact that my AH Venus is activating my Moon/MC in the natal, and of course my Jupiter, Node and his Mars and Jupiter do so anyway.
(And I will NOT post the interpretation of Mars= Moon/MC. )