posted March 20, 2016 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am sorry, maybe it`s too much
It sounds good, but maybe we will get lost in too much information. I don`t know.

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Maybe just for prioritization purposes, after the examination of the LR itself, we see at a glance if the LR has major connections to the partner's natal and if it does, we make a comparison to the composite instead of a comparison to both natals seperately?
Or we could make a comparison to the composite at once, if the LR was in a month with a major event for the "relationship"?
Does this sound complicated???

posted March 20, 2016 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, I think so. But Uranus sort of always fit.

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Yes, I hear you
I feel the same way lots of times for "my thing", too (I don't know how to properly describe it in english lol)

posted March 20, 2016 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I thought about that, too. That if it is important for the relating the composite should have major overlays. Which means I need to go back to the drawing board. lol

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Yes, me too, lol, thanks for all of your help!

...returning with list about tonight at 00.00 am lol

posted March 20, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Angel,

that is very interesting. I can`t wait to read more. Though already very fitting.
Well, I also noticed that HIS Lunar Return falls into his natal intercepted 7th house.

Anyway can you walk me through your analysis process?
So you check predominantly the LR ASC and its ruler?

Also weirdly I just noticed when posting his Lunar Return how his LR Sun is conjunct my n Moon. Interesting. And of course this was on the Saturn/Uranus-mp as Saturn was trine Uranus and both sextile Sun. Sort of makes sense, I mean of course that brings in some tension between old and new, but it just makes sense I guess.
Interestingly Saturn also was conjunct our composite Mercury-Neptune-Sappho-conjunction (15-17 sag) while Uranus opposing c-Pluto on 15 LIbra and square c-Venus on 16 Cap.

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hey ceridwen! I'm glad it resonates well how i analyze return charts is by looking first at the ascendant and checking the ruler of the ascendant and seeing what aspects it receives in the return chart and from the natal chart to see how you will be affected during the course of 30 days or 6 months or the whole year etc. depending on what kind of return we are exactly using here.

As you know the ascendant is the identity of your emotional state and i like to use house overlays cause that can tell us a lot how you will be effected emotionally or what your prime desires will be.

hmmmm his lunar return falls into his intercepted 7th house?? hmmmm I'm still learning more about interception. What i notice here is that his LR NN/Jupiter & and the 12th house is overlaying the 6th/7th. the 12th house in LR generally to me means emotions that are hidden or not expressed consciously or emotions that are in self reflection and trying to find a meaning to it and this is probably something he was going through on a daily basis with those that he is in a relationship with or sees on a daily basis. Virgo.....possibly analyzing his emotions alone or things that he has kept under the surface emotionally and was effected by it and this was normal to him during february. NN/jupiter in the 11th house LR overlays his natal 6th house tells me that friends and people that supported his work or self service was important to him during that time and possibly received praise and attention possibly made new contacts and this was just part of daily tasks to communicate to those that appreciate him. yes, his LR sun conjunct your natal moon, you probably or could have the opportunity to nurture him or give him emotional recognition during that month or possibly received you as someone feminine and ease (the moon). it does make sense the saturn trine uranus you were talking about. ahhhhh! saturn! i heard when T saturn or LR saturn's make contact to the couple's composite MERCURY can either make communication serious or delayed (tests, trials etc.) especially since it is in sag ugh so annoying! cause Sag is about expansion and when saturn it hits that it can be either very expansive or the complete opposite.

This is just my take on it to be honest when comparing LR's to natal's and composite's. for example. when my partner saw me back in january in her LR vertex in the 5th house in SAG made aspect to my natal venus in the 3rd house and we did actually travel and spend it was defently romantic but also bitter as i was very depressed on my birthday considering her LR vertex conjunct SATURN in the 5th house making AGAIN aspect to my venus. i was sad and i expressed bitterness and cold and sadness to her because health related issues i was going under, the fact that i was leaving back to the states and not see her for 8 months, and the people around us were just absolutely rude and stole some of our money. it was also a very cold climate it was 5 Celsius degrees but I LOVED IT! it was still romantic but also very sour and cold and i expressed this to her she was defently effected by this.

also her LR 2nd ruler was the sun in CAP in the 6th house conjunct pluto which tells me that she did not carefully take care of her money and she was aware of that, she spent it all and complained about it and blamed the vendors for stealing her money and ripping it off.

posted March 20, 2016 03:53 PM            

Plus, in this particular LR chart, we have
Mars on the Ascendant (Libra), which overlays natal 8th house.
Ruler of the LR'S Asc = Venus in the LR's 8th house
And there is a Grand Trine with LR's Moon-Venus-Pluto cj. IC!
Thank you very much!

ETA : I now see you also use natal Asc/Dsc to LR houses, so in the above case, natal Asc falls into LR's 4th house, natal Dsc into LR's 10th house.

posted March 20, 2016 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
Which do you guys find more accurate for reference place? Your birth place or the country you are currently living in (if you moved)?

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Oh, I tried that once, luckily the Asc moves only a few degrees, but in one chart the sun changed house depending the reference place and I found the place currently living in more accurate for the position of the sun. My answer is not knowledgable, I mean I just tried it once, but it sounds more logical, too. I mean the lunar circle - hence the lunar return itself took place in the place that you are currently living. So this should be the reference place for the LR itself. I am interested to hear if you experienced it the other way around or if anyone knows something else about it!

posted March 20, 2016 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I use the birthplace

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posted March 20, 2016 04:42 PM            

I don`t think it relaly works to travel for a day or two to manipulate a return chart. However if you really live far away from where you have been born, THAT would be the most accurate place I guess.

posted March 20, 2016 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

we need to remember though that LRs are temporary charts, just valid for one month, so no, I donīt think that they can indicate that there is a particular karmic soulconnection. at least not on their own.
However if you have soulconnection indicators in the natal synastry and the lunar Return triggers those, it might indicate the timeframe this soulconnection is brought to awareness and how.

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Ok, I see, you are right about it. Thanks !
In this case, person's A natal South Node is opposite person's B natal Moon.

This natal South Node is conjunct person's A LR IC and Pluto

posted March 20, 2016 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I dont know if these would be inaccurate. Rule of thumb for me is to use the place you will spend most of the month at (which is in my case near my birthplace anyway)

I don`t think it relaly works to travel for a day or two to manipulate a return chart. However if you really live far away from where you have been born, THAT would be the most accurate place I guess.

But I am not 100% sure about it.

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"I don`t think it relaly works to travel for a day or two to manipulate a return chart. However if you really live far away from where you have been born, THAT would be the most accurate place I guess. "

posted March 20, 2016 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

we need to remember though that LRs are temporary charts, just valid for one month, so no, I donīt think that they can indicate that there is a particular karmic soulconnection. at least not on their own.
However if you have soulconnection indicators in the natal synastry and the lunar Return triggers those, it might indicate the timeframe this soulconnection is brought to awareness and how.

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^^ 2 posts above

Plus in person's B case, we have :
person's b natal South Node conj. B's LR IC ---> conjunct natal's A Anti-vx!

posted March 20, 2016 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
So @angel4845, do you think that if we have a Pluto conj. IC in the LR, which overlays the natal 12th house AND conjuncts natal South Node, this might indicate a powerful karmic/past-life soul connection? I don't know how to interpret that, but the overlays that you use led me to that idea, what do you think?

Plus, in this particular LR chart, we have
Mars on the Ascendant (Libra), which overlays natal 8th house.
Ruler of the LR'S Asc = Venus in the LR's 8th house
And there is a Grand Trine with LR's Moon-Venus-Pluto cj. IC!
Thank you very much!

ETA : I now see you also use natal Asc/Dsc to LR houses, so in the above case, natal Asc falls into LR's 4th house, natal Dsc into LR's 10th house.

ETA 2 : In fact now I see that there is an LR's IC----> natal South Node conjunction to both partners' Lunar Return charts for the same date!!!

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can you post your LR's and both of your natal's and composite in another thread Mar??

posted March 20, 2016 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
can you post your LR's and both of your natal's and composite in another thread Mar??

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posted March 20, 2016 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I dont know if these would be inaccurate. Rule of thumb for me is to use the place you will spend most of the month at (which is in my case near my birthplace anyway)

I don`t think it relaly works to travel for a day or two to manipulate a return chart. However if you really live far away from where you have been born, THAT would be the most accurate place I guess.

But I am not 100% sure about it.

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Well I've been living in Canada for about 16 years now, so maybe it would be accurate to use it as the reference place then.

posted March 21, 2016 08:46 AM            

This is his LR

First step :
1) The LR alone, major aspects and patterns

-As we can see Moon is on the Asc. and a bit widely conjunct Venus

- Moon is square the Nodes exact

- Sun opp. Saturn

- Venus opp. Pluto

-However, Sun is in the 12th house and in anaeretic degrees, so..yeah, I don't know if that's good..

And there is this powerful (?) yod involving

Pluto as the apex (oh my? )

Jupiter conj. Juno conj. POF = one leg

Mercury = the other leg

The release point of the Yod is Venus 14 22 cancer in the 1st house, which btw is conjunct my NN 13 16 cancer

So the yod is directly connected to my natal chart, too, as we have :

my SN 13 16 Cap on his LR's Pluto - apex
my NN 13 16 cancer on his LR's Venus = release point of the yod.

I thought that was major and it would be interesting for the research Ceri.

2) Second step : connections of the LR to my natal

I already mentioned my NN on LR Venus and SN on LR Pluto.
Apart from that, we have :

- my Venus 3 40 Cancer on the LR's Asc 5 37 Cancer

- My Moon 10 56 virgo opposite LR's Neptune 9 41 Pisces and square the LR's Mercury 12 58 Gem

- my MC 21 29 Scorpio conjunct LR's Vertex 23 18 scorpio

- my Uranus 0 42 Sag conjunct LR's Saturn 1 46 sag, which is sort of a DW in a way, because there is also...

- my Saturn 16 34 Libra opp. the LR's Uranus 18 51 Aries

- my Saturn also squares the LR's Pluto and Venus

- my Chiron 26 54' Taurus is a bit widely conj. the LR's Sun 29 52' tau

- my BML 3 39 Cap is on the LR's Dsc 5 37 Cap

Now the hard part, lol

3) Third step : midpoints of the LR triggered by the above connections..

- LR's Asc and my natal Venus = Uranus/BML midpoint
square Uranus/Chiron
Sun/Ceres
Jupiter/Vertex
Juno/Vertex

- LR's Moon = Sun/Juno
and = Sun/Jupiter
square Jupiter/Saturn
Juno/Saturn

- LR's Venus and my natal NN = Uranus/node
= Mercury/Jupiter
= Mercury/Juno
= BML/Psyche
square Uranus/Node
Pluto/venus

- LR's Saturn and my natal Uranus opp. Venus/Uranus
Juno/MC
Sun/Eros

square Jupiter/BML
Sun/Saturn
Uranus/Pluto

- LR's Vertex and my natal MC square Node/Asc
Moon/Node
opposite Moon/Node

P.S. Node is mentioned both in squares and oppositions because in one case it is the Mean Node and in the other True Node, I don't remember which is which now..lol

posted March 21, 2016 09:30 AM            

so you're definitely right, as usually

Posting the other now...

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 21, 2016 09:33 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 21, 2016 09:41 AM            

mine (my lunar his natal)

his lunar/my natal

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...