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LeeLoo2014
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posted March 21, 2016 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't see yours here so there is this option to save the Lunar Return as independent chart, and then play with it, if anyone wonders how I got the synastry, just click "Add this to My Astro" in your Lunar Return chart.

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mar1982delta
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posted March 21, 2016 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, did you by any chance take a look into the data I posted before?
Thank you!

@LeeLoo thanks for this new info about adding LR to my astro, very useful!!

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Ceridwen
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posted March 21, 2016 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Moon-ASC and the other Sun-MC. Wow! LOVE LOVE LOVE that complementarity!

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posted March 21, 2016 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar,
I kind of missed that.

But now I see a Moon on Cancer ASC for strong emotional impact and a Venus-Pluto-opposition running along the relationship-houses for intensely transformations in terms of love and romance, also possibly squared by that Uranus. Surprise surprise! Maybe coming as a shock even

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posted March 21, 2016 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,
I kind of missed that.

But now I see a Moon on Cancer ASC for strong emotional impact and a Venus-Pluto-opposition running along the relationship-houses for intensely transformations in terms of love and romance, also possibly squared by that Uranus. Surprise surprise! Maybe coming as a shock even



LOL, that's ok!
Oh, so that was good for him, too, after all? I wish that! A shock, definitely, that's true! But I was a bit terrified with the yod and pluto as the apex plus the sun in LR's 12th house, so I didn't know how to put it all together..thank you!!
LOL, I got so tired yesterday trying to figure out comparison LR to natals and I didn't know this useful option in astro, I am now like ...ugh!!!!
I think I'll be finished with midpoints in a while, so the research will be complete hahaha


Btw, since Leeloo gave me the idea, this is the synastry of my LR on the fm (that I already mentioned...pluto on the IC conjuncting my natal SN) and his natal..
Much easier this way!!!


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posted March 21, 2016 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm strangely on the exact day we met he was having a Lunar Return.

Well if I pick the day of the meeting, then it gives me the lr of before, and picking the next day it gives the next return (I like the previous more though I think).

However it does seem as if he was having a lunar return on 3:12 p.m. that day, and we met on 9:48 p.m., so about 6 hours later, so I guess I have to take this one right? Which naturally is pretty much our first meeting chart, except for the angles.


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posted March 21, 2016 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that Moon-Pluto along the MC-IC-axis looks majorly intense and Moon-Mars looks primal

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posted March 21, 2016 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm strangely on the exact day we met he was having a Lunar Return.

Well if I pick the day of the meeting, then it gives me the lr of before, and picking the next day it gives the next return (I like the previous more though I think).

However it does seem as if he was having a lunar return on 3:12 p.m. that day, and we met on 9:48 p.m., so about 6 hours later, so I guess I have to take this one right? Which naturally is pretty much our first meeting chart, except for the angles.



Oh, I wanted to ask you about that too!
We met for the first time exactly one day before his LR, but the previous LR is too far I think..
Plus his LR took place at 5.06 p.m and we were together from the previous day till the LR's day about 2.00 p.m.
I am very confused by this...
As it happens, his LR is a lot alike the FMchart, too..

In your case, I think it's pretty obvious, you met after his LR, so this applies I think!
Btw, in the aformentioned case, his previous LR chart would be valid, but I like the next one, lol

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posted March 21, 2016 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
that Moon-Pluto along the MC-IC-axis looks majorly intense and Moon-Mars looks primal

primal, yeah, that is the right word...hahahaha

ETA I found the kite really beautiful..
Plus there is sort of a DW, Venus-chiron LR---> natal and natal--->LR

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posted March 21, 2016 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It actually doesn`t matter how far the previous one is away, if you met BEFORE the next lunar return, the previous is the valid one. I was just grasping for straws in my previous post.
Of course the lunar return that is exactly before the meeting is the valid one.


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posted March 21, 2016 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yeah the kite IS beautiful

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posted March 21, 2016 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It actually doesn`t matter how far the previous one is away, if you met BEFORE the next lunar return, the previous is the valid one. I was just grasping for straws in my previous post.
Of course the lunar return that is exactly before the meeting is the valid one.



Yes..unfortunately..lol
I haven't posted his LR here, so the charts that I uploaded, synastry of his natal to my LR for the FM and the whole analysis you suggested about the LR of a turning point are still valid for what it's worth..

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posted March 21, 2016 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FMC-lunar returns

my FMLR - his natal

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his FMLR - my natal

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posted March 21, 2016 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
FMC-lunar returns

my FMLR - his natal

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his FMLR - my natal

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Again Moon on the MC!!!
Yes, I have found this to be pretty indicative of such meetings so far...
Do you agree?

ETA : How many degrees are the planets apart from forming a yod in his FMLR to your natal btw? Maybe this is valid even if the orb is slightly wide, I think it catches the eye too much to ignore it..lol

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posted March 21, 2016 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HOwever I also do consider the meeting very important, when we met on the gathering he scheduled. True there were indications before that he payed a lot of attention to me (including the concert when he mentioned that I was driving him crazy ), but that meeting last august was of course special just because of me not being able to run away again and him obviously enjoying teasing me quite a bit, or simply observing me (as others commented on, I did not even notice. because I just never think of myself as observe-worthy. lol)

But just because of the verbal interplay this was definitely "special", maybe even a second first meeting, I donīt know.


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posted March 21, 2016 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhhh, I got a "game" for you if you wanna play! Just take a quick look and guess which of the two is the true LR for the FM!!! I guess this will be obvious for you considering the position of the planets, that's why I thought only one quick look !
If you want of course, I simply thought that it would be fun!




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posted March 21, 2016 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Yod between my natal and his lunar return: (which is also a Yod between my natal and our fmc of course)

my n Uranus 1.21 Scorpio

his lr Moon 28.39 Sag
his lr Pluto 00.32 Cap

his lr Sun 1.48 Gemini

my n Amor 02°08 Sag

(btw my pSun was on 29°59 Capricorn and pMoon on 00.xx Taurus)

The second Yod


my n UNION 29°52 Libra

his LR Moon 28.39 Sag
his LR Pluto 0.32 Cap
his LR Juno 26.30 Sag

his LR Venus 27.02 Taurus

(opp my n Valentine 27.32 Scorpio
his LR Lust 29.35 Scorpio)


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posted March 21, 2016 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first?

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posted March 21, 2016 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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HOwever I also do consider the meeting very important, when we met on the gathering he scheduled. True there were indications before that he payed a lot of attention to me (including the concert when he mentioned that I was driving him crazy ), but that meeting last august was of course special just because of me not being able to run away again and him obviously enjoying teasing me quite a bit, or simply observing me (as others commented on, I did not even notice. because I just never think of myself as observe-worthy. lol)

But just because of the verbal interplay this was definitely "special", maybe even a second first meeting, I donīt know.



I confess I am baffled and don't know which meeting you refer to...sorry But if you consider it important, then this might have some value as a second FM, so to speak.

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posted March 21, 2016 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The first?

Yes, you win
I hope you didn't cheat with the position of the planets I am joking of course!
Btw, how did you tell? What caught your eye I mean?
I mean in both cases there are angles conjunct, MC/Asc respectively.
But this vertex - MC and venus-vertex in the second chart simply gets me tempted lol

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posted March 21, 2016 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Yod between my natal and his lunar return: (which is also a Yod between my natal and our fmc of course)

my n Uranus 1.21 Scorpio

his lr Moon 28.39 Sag
his lr Pluto 00.32 Cap

his lr Sun 1.48 Gemini

my n Amor 02°08 Sag

(btw my pSun was on 29°59 Capricorn and pMoon on 00.xx Taurus)

The second Yod


my n UNION 29°52 Libra

his LR Moon 28.39 Sag
his LR Pluto 0.32 Cap
his LR Juno 26.30 Sag

his LR Venus 27.02 Taurus

(opp my n Valentine 27.32 Scorpio
his LR Lust 29.35 Scorpio)



These are really impressive!!!

I would stretch that quinqunx between uranus and venus a bit I think, there are a lot of planets involved, so..this tells us we could be a little more generous I think, lol

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posted March 21, 2016 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the first meeting is the one when you meet face to face. It`s when your physical energies mesh for the first time, somehow that sets something in motion. Whatever that might be. That cannot happen with online meetings, though before yuo have your first meeting those are very important, too. HOwever I would only consider the first meeting when you energetically mesh for the first time (so it has to be a short distance meeting as well ) a first meeting.

Our first meeting stays our first meeting, though that event last august might have been a very important stepping stone.


As background information, he scheduled a gathering/ meeting last august pretty spontaneously. I hesitate to call it a fanmeeting, cause true to his Sagittarianness he kept it very casual and informal, and said he had scheduled it with the purpose "to get to know each other better". lol
Well I mentioned to him (on his fb) that I thought it was a very nice idea, but that I probably was much too shy to attend, to which he flatly commanded me to be there.
So I went. I am easy like that, you know?
Of course I did not know anyone there, but I wasn`t really coming across as shy either I suppose.
In fact I guess the way him and me interacted throughout the whole afternoon and evening (because HE was teasing me all the time) resembled a bit of an impro-comedy to the others present. Well, when I think of the poor poor waiter...

Yeah well put two centaurs in a good mood into the same room and watch what happens. Did you read the description Linda Goodman has about two Sagittarians sharing the same arena?
Yeah, that was about the way we bounced off each other.
And I can tell we both thrived on it. And I guess my reactions surprised us both. lol

But what? He teases me and expects me to keep my mouth shut? No can do!

Anyway it was really so much fun, and I guess he was even semi-serious when he was loudly complaining about me leaving early. lol It was just really really fun and we should do it again some time. Or so.


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posted March 21, 2016 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think the first meeting is the one when you meet face to face. It`s when your physical energies mesh for the first time, somehow that sets something in motion. Whatever that might be. That cannot happen with online meetings, though before yuo have your first meeting those are very important, too. HOwever I would only consider the first meeting when you energetically mesh for the first time (so it has to be a short distance meeting as well ) a first meeting.

Our first meeting stays our first meeting, though that event last august might have been a very important stepping stone.


As background information, he scheduled a gathering/ meeting last august pretty spontaneously. I hesitate to call it a fanmeeting, cause true to his Sagittarianness he kept it very casual and informal, and said he had scheduled it with the purpose "to get to know each other better". lol
Well I mentioned to him (on his fb) that I thought it was a very nice idea, but that I probably was much too shy to attend, to which he flatly commanded me to be there.
So I went. am easy like that, you know?
Of course I did not know anyone there, but I wasn`t really coming across as shy either I suppose.
In fact I guess the way him and me interacted throughout the whole afternoon and evening (because HE was teasing me all the time) resembled a bit of an impro-comedy to the others present. Well, when I think of the poor poor waiter...

Yeah well put two centaurs in a good mood into the same room and watch what happens. Did you read the description Linda Goodman has about two Sagittarians sharing the same arena?
Yeah, that was about the way we bounced off each other.
And I can tell we both thrived on it. And I guess my reactions surprised us both. lol

But what? He teases me and expects me to keep my mouth shut? No can do!

Anyway it was really so much fun, and I guess he was even semi-serious when he was loudly complaining about me leaving early. lol It was just really really fun and we should do it again some time. Or so.



Oh, I see, I read the first lines of your story and I remember that meeting from previous conversations! Yes!! I am getting back to it in case I forget something lol..
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"Yeah well put two centaurs in a good mood into the same room and watch what happens."
I really laughed with this one...lol
Yes, it's true! I have a dear friend who is saggitarius and we bonded instantly after we met, because we had SO MUCH fun together, although I am not a sag..lol (perhaps my 9th house stellium helps in this? I mean I rarely find so strong connection with someone in terms of humor and "ping-pong" dialogues, if you know what I mean)


"Did you read the description Linda Goodman has about two Sagittarians sharing the same arena? "
No, I confess I haven't...I hope this isn't a sin, considering where I am online this moment..lol


"But what? He teases me and expects me to keep my mouth shut? No can do!"
I agree with your point of view!


"Anyway it was really so much fun, and I guess he was even semi-serious when he was loudly complaining about me leaving early. lol It was just really really fun and we should do it again some time. Or so."
I truly wish that for you!


As it seems this meeting was definitely a turning point as I called it yesterday lol, so the LR for this one should be major I think!

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posted March 21, 2016 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Yes, you win
I hope you didn't cheat with the position of the planets I am joking of course!
Btw, how did you tell? What caught your eye I mean?
I mean in both cases there are angles conjunct, MC/Asc respectively.
But this vertex - MC and venus-vertex in the second chart simply gets me tempted lol

I did cheat.

That and looking for the Pluto-nodal-connection, but it was there in both cases. So scratch that.

No what really made me pick the first was that Venus-Jupiter-opposition, with Mars-Pluto in the ambience and the nodal axis as well, square to the angular (DESC) Sun-Mercury which is also near the ASC.

That is just very straightforward attraction-scenario.

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posted March 21, 2016 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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These are really impressive!!!

I would stretch that quinqunx between uranus and venus a bit I think, there are a lot of planets involved, so..this tells us we could be a little more generous I think, lol


since this is a Double Yod, I am inclined to agree with you.

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