posted March 21, 2016 01:48 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I did cheat.

That and looking for the Pluto-nodal-connection, but it was there in both cases. So scratch that.

No what really made me pick the first was that Venus-Jupiter-opposition, with Mars-Pluto in the ambience and the nodal axis as well, square to the angular (DESC) Sun-Mercury which is also near the ASC.

That is just very straightforward attraction-scenario.

---

posted March 21, 2016 01:55 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"I mean I rarely find so strong connection with someone in terms of humor and "ping-"
Yes, Know exactly what you mean. Love the ping-pong, and am sorely missing that verbal banter very often. Well my Dad and my brother do that all the time, too, but most other men I meet are always so freaking serious. And I just love a good ol humurous banter, and if it comes with a little erm, innuendo, all the better.

---

Yes, I get what you mean perfectly! I love this game, too! And this is pretty hard to find but if you find it, it shows really good and long-lasting chemistry imo!

Btw, just one quick question, off topic..
I was looking for the midpoints in the LR chart, but I read another post and I got distracted..so I'll continue with them later
I read about noviles (again) and although I find them a bit difficult for my range of knowledge in astrology now, for the first time I searched them in my synastry. And I was a bit impressed. I have read some old posts of yours for the 9th harmonic etc, but if you would make a "title" for the importance of noviles in synastry in general, what would that be? I mean how high are they in terms of prioritization in a synastry comparison?
(I just learned about the 9d orb in 9H and how we compare mostly 9h to 9h, not so much 9h to natal..)
Thank you very much!!!

posted March 21, 2016 02:01 PM            

[/URL]

my august meeting LR - his natal - composite
---------------------------------------------
[/URL]

posted March 21, 2016 02:06 PM            

[/URL]

his composite
----------------

posted March 21, 2016 02:08 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Where did your post with pluto go? LL might have problems again
lol
Yes, tr. Pluto was going back and forth on my SN for a while, but the conjunction for the day I am talking about was 0 08' and I think it was the second exact transit of pluto to my SN. The first was 2 months before that, when I moved to another city away from my birthplace. So I guess this was major, although I can't remember now if the LR chart for this second date was also that significant! I feel a bit dizzy with so many LRs lol

---

Exact hits ARE major! I agree

posted March 21, 2016 02:08 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my august-meeting-LR and his natal

---

posted March 21, 2016 02:26 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not sure about how important 9th harmonic aspects really are; David Cochrane thinks they are major for relationship-astrology. I tentatively think from the minor aspects they are up there with 8th and 5th harmonic aspects. Not quite like the usual major aspects, but if exact not to underestimate. But not completely sure yet.

---

Oh, I see! Thank you for that...
Now I see that I forgot to ask how we interpret noviles in synastry, I mean which is their general flavor, so to speak.
I found this description during my research
"A Nonagen or commonly referred to as a Novile is a minor aspect where the 2 planets involved are 40 degrees apart, (with a 1-degree orb). This aspect symbolizes a type of ĄbondageĒ that people may find themselves under with regard to the planetary energies that are involved. It is an aspect that can help you to acknowledge and release past life that holds you in servitude. This aspect is used a lot in Karmic and Spiritual astrology.

Keywords: Bondage, Karmic Servitude."

From here http://www.universalsky.com/Articles/Astrology/Aspects/Minor/novile.htm

Do you think this describes them accurately? If you have a link for their description handy, just post me that and I'll read it No need to write it yourself I mean Thanks~!

Ok, back to the topic now, sorry for the little derailment

I am looking only to your synastries for now, I don't have an eye for composites yet..lol

In his LR to your natal

I suppose the Eros-vertex-mars conjunction looks pretty promising

and then we have your chiron on his uranus-IC conjunction
How do you think this might have manifested? Do you identify with that aspect I mean?

posted March 22, 2016 08:10 AM            

This is his LR

First step :
1) The LR alone, major aspects and patterns

-As we can see Moon is on the Asc. and a bit widely conjunct Venus

- Moon is square the Nodes exact

- Sun opp. Saturn

- Venus opp. Pluto

-However, Sun is in the 12th house and in anaeretic degrees, so..yeah, I don't know if that's good..

And there is this powerful (?) yod involving

Pluto as the apex (oh my? )

Jupiter conj. Juno conj. POF = one leg

Mercury = the other leg

The release point of the Yod is Venus 14 22 cancer in the 1st house, which btw is conjunct my NN 13 16 cancer

So the yod is directly connected to my natal chart, too, as we have :

my SN 13 16 Cap on his LR's Pluto - apex
my NN 13 16 cancer on his LR's Venus = release point of the yod.

I thought that was major and it would be interesting for the research Ceri.

2) Second step : connections of the LR to my natal

I already mentioned my NN on LR Venus and SN on LR Pluto.
Apart from that, we have :

- my Venus 3 40 Cancer on the LR's Asc 5 37 Cancer

- My Moon 10 56 virgo opposite LR's Neptune 9 41 Pisces and square the LR's Mercury 12 58 Gem

- my MC 21 29 Scorpio conjunct LR's Vertex 23 18 scorpio

- my Uranus 0 42 Sag conjunct LR's Saturn 1 46 sag, which is sort of a DW in a way, because there is also...

- my Saturn 16 34 Libra opp. the LR's Uranus 18 51 Aries

- my Saturn also squares the LR's Pluto and Venus

- my Chiron 26 54' Taurus is a bit widely conj. the LR's Sun 29 52' tau

- my Uranus 0 42' Sag opp. LR' s Sun 29 52' Tau

- my BML 3 39 Cap is on the LR's Dsc 5 37 Cap

Now the hard part, lol

3) Third step : midpoints of the LR triggered by the above connections..

- LR's Asc and my natal Venus = Uranus/BML midpoint
square Uranus/Chiron
Sun/Ceres
Jupiter/Vertex
Juno/Vertex

- LR's Moon = Sun/Juno
and = Sun/Jupiter
square Jupiter/Saturn
Juno/Saturn

- LR's Venus and my natal NN = Uranus/node
= Mercury/Jupiter
= Mercury/Juno
= BML/Psyche
square Uranus/Node
Pluto/venus

- LR's Saturn and my natal Uranus opp. Venus/Uranus
Juno/MC
Sun/Eros

square Jupiter/BML
Sun/Saturn
Uranus/Pluto

- LR's Vertex and my natal MC square Node/Asc
Moon/Node
opposite Moon/Node

P.S. Node is mentioned both in squares and oppositions because in one case it is the Mean Node and in the other True Node, I don't remember which is which now..lol

- LR's Dsc and my natal BML square Uranus/Chiron midpoint
Sun/Ceres midpoint
Jupiter/Vertex
Juno/Vertex
Venus/Pholus

opposite Uranus/BML midpoint

- LR's Pluto and my natal SN square Venus/Pluto midpoint
opposite Mercury/Juno midpoint

- LR's Neptune (opp. my natal Moon) square Venus/Psyche midpoint
Node/Ceres midpoint
= Pluto/Psyche midpoint

- LR's Sun (conj. my natal Chiron and opp. natal Uranus) = Moon/Uranus midpoint
= Jupiter/MC
= Juno/MC
= Uranus/Asc
= Jupiter/Neptune
= Juno/Neptune
= Jupiter/MC
= Juno/MC
= Uranus/Venus

square Mars/Vertex EXACT
Venus/Node
Sun/Vertex
Pluto/Node
Ceres/MC
Ceres/Chiron
Sun/Saturn

4) Last step : connections to his natal

- his natal IC 17 54' Leo conjunct the LR's Juno and Jupiter

- his natal Mercury 14 Aqua opposite the LR's Juno and Jupiter

- his natal Mars 14 12 Virgo conjunct the LR's IC 15 17' virgo and square the LR's Mercury 12 58' Virgo

- his natal Venus 16 11 Pisces conjunct the LR's MC 15 17' Pisces

- his natal Sun 8 42 Aqua conjunct the LR's Ceres 8 44 Aqua

- his natal Asc 10 20' Gem conjunct the LR's Mercury 12 58' gem and square the LR's Neptune 9 41' pisces

- his natal Moon square the LR's Nodes 8 41' libra

- his natal NN 29 22 Leo square the LR's Saturn 1 46 Sag

- his natal Jupiter 8 28 Virgo square the LR's Mars 6 25 Gem

- his natal Neptune 21 51 Sag square the LR's Chiron 21 02 Pisces

- his natal mean BML (the one from the additional objects menu) conjunct the LR's BML 19 22' and opposite the LR's Chiron 21 02 Pisces

- his natal Uranus 25 scorpio conjunct the LR's Vertex

- his natal Jupiter 8 28 Virgo opposite the LR's Neptune 9 41 Pisces

posted March 22, 2016 08:34 AM            

no, I disagree on the interpretation of noviles. They do not have anything to do with bondage.

I recommend this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DShpYzQJIV4

Let`s not forget the trine is a 9th harmonic aspect!

"I suppose the Eros-vertex-mars conjunction looks pretty promising "
Yeah, who knows? He might have felt even attracted to me.
Well I clearly remember that odd moment, when I did not notice he was sitting behind me and apparently either looking at me or over my shoulder onto the plate with the pancakes before me. the woman opposite me pointed it out by calling over to him if he wanted to have something sweet as well (I was the only one going for pancakes instead of "real" meal. )

And well I instinctively turned round quite quickly, to find him not just sitting behind me but even leaning closer to me, which led to that moment we were just staring at each other without saying a word, and I then realized that one of us would have to say something very soon or things would get a little awkward. I mean he has beautiful sparkling eyes, but hey, that moment of silence was a bit, erm, intense. lol
Maybe it`s just me but really... well he did break the silence first asking me how my pancakes were, giving me a way to respond in a more playful/ joking way.
It`s just funny to me because his EROS is conjunct my CERES. LOL Of course there would be talk about my eating or the lack of actually.

Maybe that was part of the Eros-Mars-Vertex-experience for him.

"
and then we have your chiron on his uranus-IC conjunction
How do you think this might have manifested? Do you identify with that aspect I mean?"
This made me think, usually i think it is the lunar return-person that feels the most impact, but of course with the outer planets it really signifies long lasting transits for the natal planet person! In my instance Tr Uranus on my Chiron. Yes, I think I do identify with it a lot, a culmination and - not too careful- opening up of my vulnerabilities and bringing them to the surface (though I am pretty cool about it most of the time).
It runs along our composite nodal axis, too.

posted March 22, 2016 08:45 AM            

I recommend this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DShpYzQJIV4

Let`s not forget the trine is a 9th harmonic aspect!"

Oh, I see, thanks a lot about the link!

"I suppose the Eros-vertex-mars conjunction looks pretty promising "
Yeah, who knows? He might have felt even attracted to me. "

From your description it seems like it, don't you think it's more than possible?

"It`s just funny to me because his EROS is conjunct my CERES. LOL Of course there would be talk about my eating or the lack of actually."

In fact I remember this moment you described from previous conversations! This was sweet and of course..intense
About Ceres, yes, I have observed that it is strong somehow in important moments (transits etc), but I haven't quite grasped the whole meaning of it yet. If there is anything apart from food I mean lol. Though it is often quite literal, I mean I have his ceres opp. my saturn exact in my synastry and he sort of "teaches"/advises me to feed myself well I don't know if this is the saturn opp. ceres or something else, but it has happened repeatedly, lol.

"n my instance Tr Uranus on my Chiron. Yes, I think I do identify with it a lot, a culmination and - not too careful- opening up of my vulnerabilities and bringing them to the surface (though I am pretty cool about it most of the time). "

posted March 22, 2016 08:56 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

thank you for the list.
Can you connect what happened to those aspects?

---

You' re welcome! Thank you, too, for the whole research subject!
Actually it's hard for me to interpret the midpoints, but I can see that there is a lot of activation of uranus, vertex, juno, Node and ceres midpoints. If I count them right, that is, lol. And yes, this was an out of the blue (for him at least - uranus, right? ) conversation that I initiated

So I can definitely connect with his LR, after all it's like my "signature" is everywhere.
I think his natal Venus on the LR' MC, his Mars on the LR's IC, my NN on the LR's Venus and my SN on the LR's Pluto describe the whole situation in a few words lol. Or at least it seems to me that way..

Talking about Ceres, his natal Sun 8 42 aqua is conjunct the LR's Ceres 8 44 exact.. that's where I keep thinking Ceres might be indicative of something I don't really know yet. It has appeared a lot in the past, too.

posted March 22, 2016 09:00 AM            

"In fact I remember this moment you described from previous conversations! "
I loved it.

"but I haven't quite grasped the whole meaning of it yet."
She is very caring, nurturing, warm, but also posessive and protective. Ceres is a biggie in our synastry.

Funny enough even that first time he approached me during a concert, it had something to do with eating. He wanted to tempt me to eat some chocolate he offered (part of a game), but first of all I was fat and especially at that day very harsh with myself about that, secondly I didn`t trust him at all - in fact I would have done the same for the little prank - okay I HAVE done the same thing with my family. offering them chocolate that starts to prickle inside your mouth when it melts - well we do have the same kind of juvenile humour. lol So I refused him, and he was persistent, but I was more persistent - stubborn as a mule as my mom sais)

But yeah, somehow it`s very often about food or trying to feed me on those occasions. lol

posted March 22, 2016 09:12 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
interesting background.
No clue how such a subject could lead to a fight? Did he say it back to you?

---

posted March 22, 2016 09:49 AM            

I can't imagine anything stronger right now, different and more fullfilling (in the everyday life I mean) yeah, but stronger? Of course, be careful what you wish for, so perhaps I shoudn't say that at all, hahaha

"Well I certainly would never have dreamed about developing feelings for a married man either. Though he was not married when we met"
Yes, I totally understand! That's why I try to be mentally open and non-judgemental, life has a lot of surprises and we should never be dogmatic, you never know what it may happen! lol
Although in your case, it is different, he wasn't married in the first place, so...how could you expect that?

"No matter what this is or isn`t, it has been a very insightful learning curve for me and it still is. and I love that."
You mean the whole situation or the concert? If the first one, yes, I agree, I think the same for my case, too and sometimes (only sometimes unfortunately) this seems like enough of a "reward" if you know what I mean. You can't "control" everything and maybe people should just go with the flow and appreciate their life experiences, no matter what the outcome is.

Btw, I wanted to add in your previous post above about the incident..
"or we would both lose balance and crash to the floor. lol "
I totally laughed hard with that

And seriously, I disagree that it is something actors do. Being in a close distance. It depends on the person, sure, but I don't think this had to do with him being an actor. And you already have observed that he doesn't do that with other people, so you don't need to be so humble, it is about you !

posted March 22, 2016 10:11 AM            

"Although in your case, it is different, he wasn't married in the first place, so...how could you expect that?"
Well he was in a relationship (He is ALWAYS in a relationship I guess. lol) and I disappeared for 2 years after our first meeting. lol I have been inclined to these disappearance acts quite often.

"And you already have observed that he doesn't do that with other people, so you don't need to be so humble, it is about you ! "
I just have a hard time to wrap my head around it, you know, donīt want to be all delusional.
He surely acts like it sometimes though, and repeatedly over the course of several years now. So maybe it`s time to finally believe it, of course now is pretty much too late.

And I was mesmerized with the way his wife was looking at him, when I first saw her and even later. She seemed/ seems to be worshipping the ground he is walking on. I mean I am *just* a fan, but I could never look THAT adoring at anyone. (well she was a fan before, at least why else would she have the poster of one of his early roles in her appartment - I only know that cause she put the pictures of her appartment online when she sold it).

Which might have been partly a problem, not just in terms of him, but generally. Even if I am totally completely head-over-heels- in love and crazy about someone, chances are they will never know, because I just play it TOO close to the chest.

I mean just returning his look and maintaining eyecontact after that performance last july when he took his bows and was so focused on me, well maintaining that eyecontact was nto easy for me, it made me feel like I had to go through fire, as there was no way to avoid or evade or run away or even hide behind some irony (no irony in nonverbal eyecontacts ) or witty remark or some vagueness, though while HE clearly had initiated that, it might have surprised him, too (hey he must have known by now how evasive I am!) cause he seemed clearly nervous all at once. lol