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Topic: Most common Aspects in Longest-Marriages
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yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 01:22 PM
  
Ok my memory was faulty--thought that didn't seem right--so here you go, and I quote:"I don't believe I've ever seen any marriage or real long-term close relationship where there wasn't at least one or two close conjuctions. And the longest and happiest relationships I've seen have involved at least one Jupiter conjuction. It isn't surprising, because Jupiter makes you tolerant and gives you positive energy. Neptune can also make you tolerant, somewhat compassionately and sometimes pityingly. From the relationships I've seen, it seems the Jupiter conjunction to the other person's Sun, Ascendant, Mercury, Venus, Mars--it's a really nice aspect to have. For one thing, the Jupiter person brings out the best in the other person's nature. I know just before my first book got written, I met someone whose Jupiter was conjunct my Mercury; and she thought my wirtings were just wonderful and I had never before had all this feedback. I had had positive feedback about my writing, but I'd never had anyone PUSH me to write more. And that encouragement helped me become more determined to put energy into the wiritng that I really wanted to do anyway, but I lacked some motivation or confidence to really work at it until this person convinced me that I HAD to! With a lot of the stressful aspects, some people are SO different that you wonder what in the hell is going on--how can they STAND each other. And then you'll see that one has Jupiter conjunct the other person's Ascendant. THey just LIKE each other! If you get some of that positive Jupiter stuff going, especially Jupiter-Ascendant aspects or Jupiter-Sun or Jupiter-Moon, the people just LIKE each other. THey make each other feel good. They make each other feel expansive. They give each other energy too. So you see these Jupiter aspects can do a lot to ameliorate various difficult or stressful factors in the relationship." I have seen this borne out in evidence too. My partner actually... his ex, who was with him about 2 years... they have Mercury square Mercury and Mercury square Mars and like, they DO NOT get along very well... but her Jupiter is conjunct his Sun and they're still in touch and get together fairly regularly because even though she thought (accurately, probably), that he was being abusive (he is NOT easy.. as I said), she still has all this benevolence for him. Still! My Dad's Jupiter was conjunct my Sun and of all his 4 kids he was BY FAR the most lenient and forgiving of me. I dropped out of high school and went and rode freight trains and he just loved me anyway. My brother and sisters had stricter standards but I got this blazing unconditional love... lucky... I loved my Dad very much. It's interesting because I see HIM as a solar influence but I was the Sun with this one. Whenever he was around it's like I could literally feel/see the Sun's energy. He magnified, he Jupiter-ified, the Sun for me... Another example is my Jupiter on my partner's natal Venus-Chiron and his progressed Mars currently. My Jupiter is also conjunct his ascendant by sign, which is important according to Lois Sargent, something at least in the same sign as the ascendant even if not closely conjunct. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted May 10, 2016 01:32 PM
How did I miss this thread? OP has done a fascinating study. Off to read more. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted May 10, 2016 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Stephen Arroyo noted in "Relationships and Life Cycles" that he was really struck by "how many marriages had these Saturn aspects. Saturn-Venus or Saturn-Sun were the most common. And then Saturn and the Moon were second in quantity. And they had very long lasting relationships... The conjuction of Saturn and the Ascendant is very common in marriage comparisons."He also notes at one point that he rarely if ever sees a lasting, happy relationship without at least one close Jupiter conjunction cross aspect. I thought that was s bold and interesting statement. It makes sense too. It's bold to specify the conjuction and to make this statement at all but it must be backed up by his experience.
What if there are no jupiter conjunctions in synastry but 2 grand trines With mutual reception involving jupiter? Do you think jupiter grand trines can be significant? ------------------
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stillatlarge
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posted May 10, 2016 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
My Dad's Jupiter was conjunct my Sun and of all his 4 kids he was BY FAR the most lenient and forgiving of me. I dropped out of high school and went and rode freight trains and he just loved me anyway. My brother and sisters had stricter standards but I got this blazing unconditional love... lucky... I loved my Dad very much. It's interesting because I see HIM as a solar influence but I was the Sun with this one. Whenever he was around it's like I could literally feel/see the Sun's energy. He magnified, he Jupiter-ified, the Sun for me...
Awesome. I wonder if I had that with mine. I thought it was because I was the baby.
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yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 02:27 PM
Well could have been  My dad was actually really easy on my little sister too, she was the baby. Kinda spoiled her, but more with things and tuition and cooking her dinner and cleaning up after her... she is into royalty and being a princess.  He loved all his kids a lot... I don't mean to make it sound so extreme... I just got away with everything... and we got along really well... I made time for him. My older sister did that too especially towards the last years of his life, she really made a big effort to be close with him.. but he had it in for her since she was little because she reminded him of her mom who was a pretty nefarious individual... harsh situation for them, still working it out I think although he has passed away. I think this dynamic plays into the fact that my older sister's Sun is conjunct my True Black Moon... she represents all these mean dark things for me... but I love and respect her fierceness. Disagree with her about a lot of things but we play nice. My little sister, though... my Dad's Jupiter was trine her Sun, actually. And she also could have done whatever she wanted but was more strict with herself (my Dad was a Capricorn and she is a Cap North Node)--they didn't develop the same kind of friendship as he and I did--she was reserved and haughty with him and really regretted it I think after he passed away. She said afterwards that she felt like she had to be aloof because she was so sensitive to favouritism and thought he displayed that with her so she was aloof from him to prevent the rest of us thinking she was sucking up to him or something. Sad... I think there was a lot at play. She acted embarassed of him. I just was friends with him as equals sort of, hung out with him on family trips when everyone else had "better"/other things to do... and we got to be really close. But yeah his Jupiter trined my little sister's Sun, she was born March 13 I was November 13. I have a friend who was born the day before my Dad who is still alive and it's a somewhat similar dynamic I have with him... We are really good friends and just always will be. I probably over idealize the relationship with my Dad at times but that's Jupiter for ya. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by angel4845:
What if there are no jupiter conjunctions in synastry but 2 grand trines With mutual reception involving jupiter? Do you think jupiter grand trines can be significant?
Of course, they can. They could be very beneficial, of course. As I sort of notes in my post above though, the manifestation of Jupiter trine Sun (my sister and my Dad) and Jupiter conjunct Sun (me and my Dad) can be quite different... the whole chart must be taken into account of course. But the way this one worked out, if we ARE going to isolate aspect types when it comes to planetary interaction, as Arroyo has done by specifying the conjunction, was indeed that the conjunction wound up manifesting a stronger/more tangible/brightly shining bond... people were approaching me at his funeral telling me that he told them I was his best friend in the world. That's pretty sweet... and it's because we were just that--friends, not just father daughter dynamic... I'm sad writing this, it's all very sad and I miss him a lot. But anyway a luminary conjunct Jupiter is going to trump a lot of other aspects, imo. I agree with Arroyo there. It just seems immensely powerful.
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yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 02:39 PM
I don't think though as astrologers we should ever say "this one aspect is necessary for a happy relationship." That would be really silly, and faulty. There are aspects which greatly contribute to feelings of well being, benevolence, etc. But no single aspect means "you will be happy together for a long time." A Jupiter conjunction is just that- tolerant, benevolent, high minded, able to see the best in whatever it is touching and expand on that goodness and encourage it. It is a lovely contact--although you CAN have too much of a good thing, and end up enabling destructive behaviours through too much tolerance or benevolence or whatever. Nothing is so black and white...IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 02:40 PM
But if Arroyo has personally observed Jupiter conjunctions specifically have a correlation with long term happiness together... well, I do sit up and take notice...There's a reason Jupiter-Chiron is in that first list in this post. Magi also considers this a really good 'linkage,' and you can probably see why... Here am I, with my awkward, wounded, vulnerable, exposed bit of me which will never go away and which must be acknowledged and loved in order for true love to flourish and real acceptance to be felt... here's me casting around looking for acceptance thereof... and then here's Jupiter! Jupiter, here to accept it, here to love it, here to even encourage that part of me to express itself, the best parts of itself. It's a good conjunction. I've had it in a few relationships now. It doesn't make or break anything though. I still had to break up with someone with whom I had my Jupiter on his Chiron. We didn't get along well enough at all. Fought all the time. Big Mercury issues. Jupiter isn't a cure-all, again as I said in regards to my partner's ex... they had Jupiter-Sun and it kept something going for 2 years despite mega communication issues... but it had to end anyway. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted May 10, 2016 04:38 PM
My Jup trines his Sun, Merc, Pluto, Asc. His trines my moon, sq Venus and Mars and sextiles vertex. IP: Logged |
diamondbaby
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posted May 10, 2016 04:59 PM
In my opinion trines between the man's Sun/woman's Moon and/or the man's Mars/woman's Venus are pretty beneficial in synastry and can represent long-lasting, undying attraction and connection.IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted May 10, 2016 06:31 PM
My ex husband and I had both our saturns on his asc conj my moon. I found him to be so stifling and overbearing. Trying to change me or teach me so much but it would come out with harsh criticisms. I wouldn't wish for that again.I have my Saturn conj my love's moon. He's very fiery, Aries asc, sun, Venus, For him natally he has Saturn in the 10th conj his MC if that counts for him having Saturnian qualities? Hopefully this vibes well with the moon Saturn conj. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted May 10, 2016 07:44 PM
Ah... yeah folks with Saturn conjunct their own ascendant can be really difficult... especially if that Saturn then does something harsh to your chart in the synastry... Kinda like my ex he had Saturn conjunct his ascendant and my ascendant. It was too much. Now my present partner has Saturn conjunct my ascendant which might be too much also honestly but we shall see.... IP: Logged |
Littleh
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posted May 11, 2016 03:13 AM
An of ex of mine who I've remained friends with has his saturn right on my ascendent. I don't think I could lose him if I wanted to, he's always there in the background looking out for me although no romantic attraction. He nags me sometimes but he's a stable presence, just how I envisage saturn would be!IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted May 11, 2016 04:03 AM
^^ when Saturn gets it right, he's great IP: Logged |
problematique
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posted January 10, 2023 12:02 PM
that’s an interesting set of aspects. just checked my parent’s synastry and they have:
Sun-Neptune (easy aspects) ✅
Moon-Saturn ✅
Venus-Saturn ✅
Mars-Saturn (harsh aspects) ✅ (easy)
Venus-Uranus (if none, Mars-Uranus) ✅
Venus-Chiron(if none, Venus-Ceres or Venus-Vesta)❌
Jupiter-Chiron ✅
Venus-NN ❌
Saturn-NN ❌IP: Logged |
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