posted May 23, 2016 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

If your read my response to Mir you’ll learn about the secondary houses of Venus and Mars. They show more details about what characteristics men (secondary Venus) and women (secondary Mars) are attracted to in terms of gender behavior.

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Hi Lotis, I'm enjoying your interpretation of these synastries. I have a question. If you are looking at mars for women, and Venus for men as additional attraction factors, are you also looking at moon for men and sun for women as point of interest in regard to secondary ruler connections?

Example: Lets say my mars falls into a mans 7th house, which is ruled by Taurus, and my sun falls into his 5th, which is ruled by Neptune. His 2nd house is where my Neptune falls. So there's a primary dsc connection with mars falling in the 7th, and secondary with my overlay of Neptune in his 2nd.

Is that the connection? Would that Neptune in his secondary house feel good about having Neptune there since there's a blending of Taurus and pisces energy?

posted May 24, 2016 01:37 AM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Hi Lotis, I'm enjoying your interpretation of these synastries. I have a question. If you are looking at mars for women, and Venus for men as additional attraction factors, are you also looking at moon for men and sun for women as point of interest in regard to secondary ruler connections?

Example: Lets say my mars falls into a mans 7th house, which is ruled by Taurus, and my sun falls into his 5th, which is ruled by Neptune. His 2nd house is where my Neptune falls. So there's a primary dsc connection with mars falling in the 7th, and secondary with my overlay of Neptune in his 2nd.

Is that the connection? Would that Neptune in his secondary house feel good about having Neptune there since there's a blending of Taurus and pisces energy?

This is good stuff that has got me thinking. ❤

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When it comes to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and their secondary houses, a partner influencing them with personal planets is the most potent connection. Outer planets influencing them is more like an exotic side-dish that keeps things interesting, rather then a whole meal. By themselves they would not be enough to attract us fully to another.

That being said, if you already have personal planets influencing your partner's relationship houses (either by overlays, house ruler synastry, and symbolism matches), then an outer planet connection can add that extra special something.

With your Mars in his 7th and Sun in his 5th, I'd say that personal connection is there.

posted May 24, 2016 11:32 PM            

He also has Lilith conjunct his DSC. Does this mean he is attracted to Lilith type women? I have my Lilith conjunct my Venus and MC.

I put my moon, Mars, Saturn in his 5th conjunct his moon, Juno, SN. And my ASC and Uranus are in his 8th conjunct his Pluto.

posted May 25, 2016 01:12 AM            

I absorbed every word at least twice. It's so entrancing and with that a joy to notice a brilliant structure in such a complex system a la houses. Really gives me more insight into the entire realm.
As if things suddenly fall at its place, or something.

And yes, I attract Taurus like moths to a flame (they often seem so enthralled with me and they have something really funny also / might be because taurus falls in my 9th). And if not Taurus-Sun then a personal planet in it. This indeed might come from my secondary Mars house. I always thought it was just sort of a natural complement for my Moon/Mars/Sun in a (widish) fixed Aqua/Scorp/Leo T-square (to make a fixed cross with taurus).

posted May 25, 2016 03:15 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
And yes, I attract Taurus like moths to a flame (they often seem so enthralled with me and they have something really funny also / might be because taurus falls in my 9th). And if not Taurus-Sun then a personal planet in it. This indeed might come from my secondary Mars house. I always thought it was just sort of a natural complement for my Moon/Mars/Sun in a (widish) fixed Aqua/Scorp/Leo T-square (to make a fixed cross with taurus).

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Why you attract Taurus so much, I think it's a combo of your secondary Mars house, and pattern completion of your fixed T-square.

You have all three of the fixed signs and Taurus is the missing piece of the puzzle. So even though his Sun doesn't create a T-square with your chart by degree, on an energetic level the sign Taurus fills in the gap. I read about this in an article about aspect pattern completions in synastry many years ago and it's stuck with me.

With your secondary house of Mars, Venus in the 11th (for Mars in Aquarius) is in a feminine sign and so it probably attracts Taurus more then Libra.

posted May 25, 2016 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Hi Lotis, I'm not sure if you read my question but I wondered about my NN conjunct a person's DSC. I also put Pluto in his 7th house. But with the NN, does he feel that connection too?

He also has Lilith conjunct his DSC. Does this mean he is attracted to Lilith type women? I have my Lilith conjunct my Venus and MC.

I put my moon, Mars, Saturn in his 5th conjunct his moon, Juno, SN. And my ASC and Uranus are in his 8th conjunct his Pluto.

Thanks

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I'd need to see the chart or I can't really give an accurate analysis. NN in the 7th is a little tricky to interpret because it actually shows what we lack and need to develop in this life. Depending on where we're at on our path we may or may not have gotten the hang of our NN. This connection shows me that you learn a lot from his relationship style, and admire him for it. While he may see you need a little work in this area, and have an urge to help you out. You're gradually learning to act more like his Dsc in this life, but he may enjoy the way you are able to see his Dsc qualities with fresh eyes and wonder, like you're making a new discovery.

posted May 26, 2016 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Why you attract Taurus so much, I think it's a combo of your secondary Mars house, and pattern completion of your fixed T-square.

You have all three of the fixed signs and Taurus is the missing piece of the puzzle. So even though his Sun doesn't create a T-square with your chart by degree, on an energetic level the sign Taurus fills in the gap. I read about this in an article about aspect pattern completions in synastry many years ago and it's stuck with me.

With your secondary house of Mars, Venus in the 11th (for Mars in Aquarius) is in a feminine sign and so it probably attracts Taurus more then Libra.

These two influences together slant your attraction towards Taurus without actually involving the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses. The secondary houses of Venus and Mars can do that especially when supported by other factors like pattern completion.

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Yes indeed, I can definitely see that now more clearly.

posted May 30, 2016 06:03 AM            

So you were wondering about your connection to his 7th… Alright, so you put planets in his 5th house, and your Asc is in his 8th house, but your main connection to his 7th appears to be via house ruler aspects. Your Saturn/Mars/Moon complex in his 5th also trines his 7th house ruler Venus. The tightest connection looks like it’s with your Leo Mars. This is significant because his Dsc ruler is in Aries, and you are giving him Martian energy with your Mars and so there’s a symbolic match here of sorts.

Also, I’ve mentioned this before in some of the other readings I’ve done on this thread but I also work with something called the secondary Venus (for men) and the secondary Mars (for women).

If a man has Venus in Aries, we would look at his 1st house (Aries rules the 1st house) and it’s ruler to see extra details about the kind of women he’s looking for. He has Aries on the 1st house, and it’s ruler Mars in Gemini is conjunct your Sun. He has Sun and Venus in the 1st house, and you have planets in Leo (ruled by the Sun). These factors are all good news for you, especially the ruler of his secondary Venus house conjunct your Sun. It’s also worth noting that since his Venus itself is in Aries, his Venus dispositor is also Mars in Gemini. So there’s a Gemini connection to his Venus taste coming from two different directions.

Mars in Gemini is also a 3rd dispositor to his 7th house…Mars in Gemini rules Venus his 7th house ruler. This is a curious thing I’ve noticed occasionally. Sometimes, every now and then, I have seen the ruler of the 7th house ruler say some important things about the partner that is chosen. Yes, it’s true that the Dsc and it’s ruler are usually what’s most important. However, there are still those cases when the ruler of the 7th house ruler is shows up in the partner‘s chart quite obviously, and this makes sense when you think about it. Because the qualities of the planet ruling the 7th house ruler can filter through, impacting our 7th house attraction pattern.

I’ll give an example,

A few years ago there was a poster on LL (I think he name was Lechien) and she would occasionally ask questions about her and her partner. Some of which I remember responding to. She had a Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Capricorn. Her Mercury in Cap was again ruled by Saturn in Virgo. When she posted her partner’s chart, he had a Cap rising which matched to her Dsc ruler sure enough. But he also has a massive stellium in Virgo… I think Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus (anyway, I just remember a lot of Virgo in is chart). The only thing this could have come form was Saturn in Virgo ruling her Dsc ruler Mercury in Cap. The point is that I’ve seen this scenario before, and so it can happen.

So basically, his Gemini Mars rules his actual Aries Venus, his 1st house cusp which is his secondary Venus house, and his Dsc ruler which is again, Venus in Aries. I think all of these factors tied together add strength to his attraction to your Gemini planets. It also explains how aspects to his 7th house ruler are enough to attract him to you, even though you don’t have personal Libra/Aries planets in your chart. Instead you have Gemini, sign of the planet ruling his Dsc ruler.

I think the NN conjunct his Dsc has some impact, but it’s something you’re growing into more and more as you age (the NN is what we need to learn). And about Pluto in Libra in his 7th… Actually maybe you do have a stronger Libra influence then I originally thought, because with your Scorpio Asc, Pluto rules you Asc. So your Asc ruler is in his 7th house. Pluto is made into a personal planet for you because it rules your Asc. So this connection is way more significant that it would usually be with Pluto being an outer planet.

All things taken into consideration, I think there is a strong enough tie to his 7th house to pull him towards you.

You also mentioned you feel you’re helping him on his journey in a NN way but you can’t see the connection to his NN in synastry. I think this is more of a symbolism match thing.

posted May 31, 2016 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi EmGem,

So you were wondering about your connection to his 7th… Alright, so you put planets in his 5th house, and your Asc is in his 8th house, but your main connection to his 7th appears to be via house ruler aspects. Your Saturn/Mars/Moon complex in his 5th also trines his 7th house ruler Venus. The tightest connection looks like it’s with your Leo Mars. This is significant because his Dsc ruler is in Aries, and you are giving him Martian energy with your Mars and so there’s a symbolic match here of sorts.

Also, I’ve mentioned this before in some of the other readings I’ve done on this thread but I also work with something called the secondary Venus (for men) and the secondary Mars (for women).

If a man has Venus in Aries, we would look at his 1st house (Aries rules the 1st house) and it’s ruler to see extra details about the kind of women he’s looking for. He has Aries on the 1st house, and it’s ruler Mars in Gemini is conjunct your Sun. He has Sun and Venus in the 1st house, and you have planets in Leo (ruled by the Sun). These factors are all good news for you, especially the ruler of his secondary Venus house conjunct your Sun. It’s also worth noting that since his Venus itself is in Aries, his Venus dispositor is also Mars in Gemini. So there’s a Gemini connection to his Venus taste coming from two different directions.

Mars in Gemini is also a 3rd dispositor to his 7th house…Mars in Gemini rules Venus his 7th house ruler. This is a curious thing I’ve noticed occasionally. Sometimes, every now and then, I have seen the ruler of the 7th house ruler say some important things about the partner that is chosen. Yes, it’s true that the Dsc and it’s ruler are usually what’s most important. However, there are still those cases when the ruler of the 7th house ruler is shows up in the partner‘s chart quite obviously, and this makes sense when you think about it. Because the qualities of the planet ruling the 7th house ruler can filter through, impacting our 7th house attraction pattern.

I’ll give an example,

A few years ago there was a poster on LL (I think he name was Lechien) and she would occasionally ask questions about her and her partner. Some of which I remember responding to. She had a Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Capricorn. Her Mercury in Cap was again ruled by Saturn in Virgo. When she posted her partner’s chart, he had a Cap rising which matched to her Dsc ruler sure enough. But he also has a massive stellium in Virgo… I think Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus (anyway, I just remember a lot of Virgo in is chart). The only thing this could have come form was Saturn in Virgo ruling her Dsc ruler Mercury in Cap. The point is that I’ve seen this scenario before, and so it can happen.

So basically, his Gemini Mars rules his actual Aries Venus, his 1st house cusp which is his secondary Venus house, and his Dsc ruler which is again, Venus in Aries. I think all of these factors tied together add strength to his attraction to your Gemini planets. It also explains how aspects to his 7th house ruler are enough to attract him to you, even though you don’t have personal Libra/Aries planets in your chart. Instead you have Gemini, sign of the planet ruling his Dsc ruler.

I think the NN conjunct his Dsc has some impact, but it’s something you’re growing into more and more as you age (the NN is what we need to learn). And about Pluto in Libra in his 7th… Actually maybe you do have a stronger Libra influence then I originally thought, because with your Scorpio Asc, Pluto rules you Asc. So your Asc ruler is in his 7th house. Pluto is made into a personal planet for you because it rules your Asc. So this connection is way more significant that it would usually be with Pluto being an outer planet.

All things taken into consideration, I think there is a strong enough tie to his 7th house to pull him towards you.

You also mentioned you feel you’re helping him on his journey in a NN way but you can’t see the connection to his NN in synastry. I think this is more of a symbolism match thing.

His NN is in his natal 11th house and you have Saturn, Mars and Moon in your 11th house natally. He has NN in Pisces co-ruled by Neptune and Jupiter. He has Jupiter in Gemini and you have Sun and Mercury there. He has Neptune in Capricorn which you oppose with your Cancer planets, as if your holding up a mirror to his NN needs.

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Lotis thank you so much, from the bottom of my heart, for taking the time to look at our chart.
I'm so happy to see the connections I've never made before, especially his attraction to Gemini. Now it makes sense. And the NN symbolism connections, soooooo glad they are there. I was so confused about that when I knew I was helping him so much, and him me.

I'm curious, does my moon/Mars conjunction add to his attraction since it's like having a moon in Aries? And my SN too? Would it attract his Aries Venus?

posted May 31, 2016 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
I'm curious, does my moon/Mars conjunction add to his attraction since it's like having a moon in Aries? And my SN too? Would it attract his Aries Venus?

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Actually, yes. The Moon/Mars conjunct looks like it's about 4 degrees apart though, which is larger then I usually take note of for that kind of symbolism match. But it probably has some effect with regards to his attraction pattern.

The South Node connection sort of slipped my radar. However, it's a very valid symbolism match. The South Node shows what we've already learned (before this life), so we're born with innate abilities and habit patterns related to our South Node Sign/house/aspects etc. You're already fairly good at 'Aries' modes of behavior, which would attract his Aries Venus/7th house ruler.

There's a previous thread I did regarding how our South Node can relate to our partner's attraction pattern.

OUR ATTRACTION PATTERN AND THE PARTNER'S SOUTH NODE SYMBOLISM http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000025.html

The interesting thing about your guy's chart is that with a Libra Dsc ruled by an Aries Venus he's got an inner dichotomy where he's attracted to both Aries and Libra energy types in different ways. The South Node is a well ingrained part of ourselves, and your South Node is able to give him what his Aries Dsc ruler/Venus wants right away in the relationship.

And because your NN is right on his Dsc, even though you may not have learned or reached the 'Libra' mode of being yet, something in you yearns to go there. Over time you're developing that Libra mode. Hopefully until there's balance between Aries and Libra modes in your psyche/habits. He too is looking for that 'Libra' type energy as part of his relationship. So it's like you're able to give him the Aries side of his 7th house pattern right away, and then develop towards giving him the Libra part over time. It's like a journey the two of you share, bringing more 'Libra' energy into your relationship together as life progresses. Hope this makes sense.

posted May 31, 2016 04:17 AM            

I do feel like I've known him forever. We both do. Three different psychics have told us we have shared many lifetimes together and that he wronged me. But he has a chance to make it up to me in this life if he chooses. He told me he's never letting me go.
His SN is also conjunct my moon so maybe that's why it goes both ways too, on top of the Libran energy we are moving towards.

posted May 31, 2016 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
How do you know though, whether a person is more comfortable with conjunctions to their SN vs NN? In my guys case, his moon conjuncts his SN, so my moon there I'm assuming he would be comfortable with?

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The only way to know is by what the other person says and does. Listen to what he said.

posted September 13, 2023 03:39 AM            

The other 5/11 connection was my first love. His Mars in his 5th hooked to my same two factors. Mc is often career but Libra is balance and to some divine fem. I believe each of these men saw me as their harmonious "other", in their own ways.

What I find as ironic in my case, *only these two have this 5/11 with me. I've not seen myself on the 5h side or others fitting in 11th. Weirdly most are the same houses linked and one or a couple over. There's a certain spark the Mars man had with me and ironically, the 1st man was an Aries Sun. Mars ignition between them. Funny how my 11th is Libra- divine Fem/masc

Edit: duh! Those two have my 5th hit their 11th too. Therefore my first love it seems had my mars hit his 11h. We were balanced in the giving and receiving of that energy. It was very very sexy too. My Chiron, which was my giving my body as a mechanism of healing towards him. We had out of this world passion.