posted June 03, 2016 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Ahem. I have a question. What would be the difference between Neptune & Ceres and Neptune & Moon in this house?

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Nice to see you again finally!!!!!

Moon-Neptune would be a stronger association in some ways, as the whole emotional atmosphere is characterized by tolerance, but also lack of clarity.

4H Ceres-Neptune might translate to indecision about what to have for dinner.

No, really, I think it would be less problematic but also less binding than moon-Neptune. Just a guess.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Btw, it seems to me the condition of Davison 4th house could be more helpful in determining whether 2 people will live together. I suspect the 6th house could give us some hints too.

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If you say so...

posted June 03, 2016 12:24 PM            

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Nice to see you again finally!!!!!

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In the Neptune-Ceres case the Moon is in the 1st and conjunct the ASC. Not sure about the binding part but it would be probably easier to tap into this (lunar) energy vs Moon in the 4th. Also, Neptune is conjunct the IC so I dunno about less problematic Interestingly, Davison Ceres is in the 4th too (probably exactly trine the ASC).

I believe that 4th house placements need some time to warm up. Meaning, to feel comfortable enough to manifest in full force. It's a matter of trust/familiarity. Perhaps the process is much faster if the planet is tightly conjuct the IC.

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I was just telling Ceri on another thread that I don't pay much attention to Davison.

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posted June 03, 2016 12:58 PM            

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Apparently not nice enough to make a welcome party

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Is that so?

Hmm.

Surprise!!!....Welcome back!!!!

You played right into our strategy.

posted June 03, 2016 01:01 PM              

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posted June 03, 2016 01:53 PM              

I go back n forth about considering the signs of planets in the composite. Also, I wish there was more material for specific Davison position/aspect interpretations. Sometimes it gets all mashed up into one amorphous blob if one is (like me) not aware of the finer points in such analyses.

As to your thought, yeah I do believe the composite 4th house will be telling about their living together (and how). But I've also seen the ruler of the 4th well-aspected to the 'identity' planets and/or house (1st)** for couples that began living together very quickly, and smoothly. Like, they already seemed very comfortable with each other, you know? Even without traditional 4th house overlays in synastry.

Those are ofc just a *few* examples, but -- there could be more than one way of relating to the 4th house, is what I mean..

posted June 03, 2016 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I know, angel!
It's all at early Pisces- Virgo. TRansiting Saturn hit it very bad last year when it reached that degree and we broke up three times ( with each hit of Saturn) but we bounced back withing a few days after each break up. Once TR Saturn moved away, we stopped hurting ourselves.
Jupiter passed over it too, but nothing really happened.
HOWEVER, the forementioned composite IC/MC is progressing towards our other Sun- Venus opposition which we have in synastry and will conjunct it in an year or two....that would be good, if we are still together by that time. Prog composite MC on his Sun and prog IC on my Venus.

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Wow I can see that with Saturn transiting a composite things can feel restricted and harsh. That is actually really nice in progression how the composite is going to aspect your Venus sun opposition in synastry. That should really give timing. And awwwww do you see any outer planets in transit that could potentially hit that in the future? Like the composite progressed MC on his natal sun and vice versa?

posted June 03, 2016 02:42 PM              

"Her fonts are so small and hard to read. I never understood why she does that."
Yes me neither.
Especially since there is a ton of GREAT material and insight there.

":blush: !!!"
Yeah, ask me, when I saw that!!!

Well it`s a bit like, we have Aquarius-ASC with Uranus in Scorpio hugging the MC; so something about our "togetherness" is simply pushing into the public, instinctively, not because we want it, but that is just the direction the ASC-ruler is headed into. Something very visible about "us". Uranus most elevated planet and all.

And since it`s Aquarius and Uranus, there is something rather unusual, you know the kind that people would see as an "odd couple", two different worlds and all, or simply bizarre and insane when together.
And also since it`s Uranus on the MC as chartruler, there is something about the "us" that threatens old patterns, the status quo, something breaking up conventions I guess - personally I think the Uranus-Pluto-mix (as Aqua-ASC and the ruler in Scorpio) is quite something. lol
But of course we are also quite startling towards each other, and those jolts of elecztricity that bring that compulsory change and breaking with conventions and social rules?

This is fuelled again and again from the bottom of the chart, that Eros-Priapus in Taurus is sort of even giving it more energy.
of course - and that might be hidden fromt he outer world, as the IC is what we CAN keep hidden, unlike the 12th house which is usually there for everyone else to see but ourselves- that changing the rules-pattern of Uranus on MC is not really rooted in intellectual, mental or abstract ideas, but in something quite different, as seen by what is conjunct the IC.

And the sextile of Neptune-Mercury-Sappho to Pluto that is cushioning it?
Well at least the Neptune-Mercury-Sappho might be a great asset in sublimation. And transforming this into more creative expressions?

my natal ERATO is falling onto that Neptune in particular and also conjunct Mercury-Sappho.

Erato is the muse of (love) poetry.
In a book I had read once this interpretation
"The asteroid Erato represents emotional inspiration. If one person?`s Erato contacts another persons chart, the Erato-errson is likely to be inspiring to the other person in the area of life relating to the other person`s planet or asteroid. Erato may be thought of as the muse in its purest form - the inspiration of one person by another person, place or thing....
Erato contacts in synastry suggest that one person is capable of being the Muse for the other. The Erato-person is the Muse to the planet/ asteroid-person."

Well I just found this interesting, might be a good avenue for sublimation.
Not that sublimation ALWAYS is the way to go.

And with Pluto, as ruler of the MC, in 8th house? :uoh: Better not think about that one.

"The IC gets triggered and the whole yod comes to life?"
Yes, something like that.

Interestingly my own progressed IC had been conjunct our composite IC and his progressed IC had reached the degree of cour composite DESC (though of course our progressed composite ASC is also applying to conjunct his natal ASC).

c-IC 16°37 Taurus
my p IC 17°53 Taurus

c-DESC 1°17 Leo
his p IC 1°47 Leo

his n ASC 25°31 Pisces
pc ASC 23°42 Pisces

as for the triggering, yes, it is obvious how often the fixed signs are emphasized like:

Re-meeting:
Tr Saturn 16°19 Scorpio
Tr Karma 17°08 Scorpio

the "catalyst-concert"
Tr Saturn 17°42 Scorpio
Tr Venus 18°31 Taurus

The meeting last year
Tr Venus 18°34 Leo

the encounter in february
Tr Mercury 19°19 Aquarius

the last time we met
Tr Venus 19°25 Taurus

however it is obvious that those triggers are closer to about 18 degrees of the fixed signs instead of 16 degrees, while this is hairsplitting probably, they do align more exactly with our Davison which has

IC 18°48 Taurus
(Juno 15°30 Scorpio on MC)

well I guess they "catch" both positions. lol

" Did you just really say that? So poetic and deep, I just want to pause for a while and revel in this....."
You think so?
I just think it wsa funny how this Saturn takes the messages of the rather elusive 12th house (which in our case are emotional and romantic and creative in nature) and brings it into a more manifest house like the 7th. I think Dawn wrote something about Saturn in 7th house as well, but I do not remember exactly what it was.

posted June 03, 2016 08:19 PM            

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believe that 4th house placements need some time to warm up. Meaning, to feel comfortable enough to manifest in full force. It's a matter of trust/familiarity. Perhaps the process is much faster if the planet is tightly conjuct the IC.

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Sounds good. I'm tired of talking about myself but can relate.

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Some time ago I became determined to decipher this chart, feel free to join me.

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Which chart? Where?

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When it comes to Davison, I'd pay attention to the ruler too in case it wasn't clear.

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Yes ma'am.

I don't know my Davison chart with my husband and astro.com isn't working for me right now.

posted June 03, 2016 08:30 PM            

Yeah, ur-soup, I don't know what it means, but I was thinking of primordial soup, the sludge we all supposedly evolved from (though I think God sent me via a different route, heaven to human, no slime stage ) and I like how you moved it from that 12H stew into Leo, a very refreshing transition.

"Not that sublimation ALWAYS is the way to go."

I loved your whole comment but lack the energy to reply point for point right now.

Re: Erato, mine's @ 5 Aqua on my Mercury. Husband's @ 17 Libra, conjunct my Karma, so I guess composite is @ 12 Sag on my Neptune.

"my natal ERATO is falling onto that Neptune in particular"

Isn't that funny then, we both have Erato-Neptune between natal and composite.

I'll tell you something, if I hadn't married my husband I probably would have been haunted by the memory of him for a long time. Much better to get married and disillusioned, in my case.

posted June 03, 2016 08:36 PM            

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I believe that 4th house placements need some time to warm up. Meaning, to feel comfortable enough to manifest in full force. It's a matter of trust/familiarity. Perhaps the process is much faster if the planet is tightly conjuct the IC.

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What does Jupiter right on the IC in the composite mean?

posted June 03, 2016 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Nice thread !

I go back n forth about considering the signs of planets in the composite. Also, I wish there was more material for specific Davison position/aspect interpretations. Sometimes it gets all mashed up into one amorphous blob if one is (like me) not aware of the finer points in such analyses.

As to your thought, yeah I do believe the composite 4th house will be telling about their living together (and how). But I've also seen the ruler of the 4th well-aspected to the 'identity' planets and/or house (1st)[b]** for couples that began living together very quickly, and smoothly. Like, they already seemed very comfortable with each other, you know? Even without traditional 4th house overlays in synastry.

Those are ofc just a *few* examples, but -- there could be more than one way of relating to the 4th house, is what I mean..

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Thank you, Elysia.

posted June 04, 2016 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
What does Jupiter right on the IC in the composite mean?

I can comment on my past experience of living (trying to live!) together with my ex. I didn't last long, moved out after only a few months. We had Venus in 4th BUT it was a part of a t-square (opposite Sun Mercury and square Moon Jupiter) so probably the aspects composite 4H planets make will show what it will be like for couple living together.

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My parents probably have Jupiter in the 4th (which would result from a DW overlay in synastry). If you wish to live/settle down with this person and vice versa, it will probably happen but be careful what you wish for. My parents' domestic life has been always far from joyful.

I dunno about the hard aspects. In the composite supposedly they aren't that hard, it's just a connection and connection is needed. In my parents' chart Jupiter is widely square Mars (7) and would be in a t-square with Neptune if we ignore how wide the opposition is (5).

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Which chart? Where?

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Btw, I'm also interested in transits and aspects from the natal to Davison. Also in its progressed version. I think Davison event charts could have some value too.

posted June 04, 2016 10:33 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I agree too with whoever said in this thread that the 6th in Davison is telling re: living together. Aunt Ano methinks... (was thinking about you and the 6th house just today, Auntie)... Since the Davison chart represents the ccouple's physical reality more than the mental/emotional high vibrational or esoteric plane of existence, which is midpoint composite. Davison can show the way that things play out on a more mundane level (this is how I see it mostly). And the 6th is the stuff we do to keep the whole machine of daily life humming.

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That is how I see the difference as well.

In Davison:

my parents:

Moon conjunct Mars in Cap in 6th house
(composite Moon in 12th)

Juno in Scorpio in 4th, squaring the ASC (and Pluto on it), so being pretty much on the midpoint of the relationship-axis.

my friends:

Nothing in 4th house but Moon conjunct Mars in Cancer in 10th - curiously opposing my parent`s conjunction. lol
(they also have composite Moon in 12th)

my brother and his gf:

Mars in Leo in 5th conjunct 6th cusp
Venus in Leo in 6th
the Venus-mars conjunction is 7 degrees

posted June 04, 2016 10:35 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
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You`re hilarious!!!

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