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Topic: Moon square Pluto in composite - psychological damage?
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hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 17, 2016 01:04 PM
I have moon square pluto in composite with this Gemini man.. And 'till this day he refuses to end the relationship although the relationship has been totally damaged. Trust issue is a major theme. I almost crazy dealing with his extreme emotion and anger every time he senses that I will leave. It feels like we want to kill each other when we are mad although we end up killing each other trough words."I notice the moon square Pluto in composite, is this really can cause psychology damage through the connection of two people? Is there any advice how to deal with moon square Pluto in composite? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 194112 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 18, 2016 10:26 AM
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ScandinavianCrab Knowflake Posts: 389 From: Scandinavia Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 19, 2016 04:43 AM
I dont know if the aspect causes this drama. Is it possible that the Gemini dude is lackning plutonian aspects in his natal and goes bananas due to the insecurities the composite square might cause him? Still if hes young he might have natal Pluto aspects but havent learned to 'control' them.Anyhow in regards to your question. IF you still want to be with this guy then check for positive aspects to/from your composite moon and try to use thoose aspects to ease the 'bad' plutonian stuff. IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 19, 2016 12:57 PM
^ he has sun semisquare pluto, mercury and mars trine pluto. I think he has moon pluto minor aspect. He had his Saturn returned last year.I forgot what else between moon Pluto in composite, but the square is really affect us in a bad way because I almost see the psychiatrist because of this relationship dynamic and he's still around. IP: Logged |
Murikhi Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted June 07, 2019 06:38 PM
I had moon opposite pluto in the composite with and old flame and let me tell you, it was the most intense/dramatic/heart-wrenching 'situation-ships' I've ever had. We were both OBSESSED with each other. I'm talking needing to know where/what/who why the othher was doing what they were doing and when. There were times where our words would cut each other to the core. I shed plenty of tears. It didn't help that our Mars' squared each other in synastry. He betrayed me in the end. I'm ruled by Pluto so ultimately I had the upperhand and cut it off completely. However, I'm still dealing with some of the trauma from the relationship. Things that helped make it tolerable were understanding that both of us were working through a lot of our Plutonic natal aspects through each other.I had to monitor my obsession by avoiding the urge to stalk him when I didn't know where he was/what he was doing. Not allowing him to probe too deeply into my life by being honest right off the bat. I also knew when he was playing manipulative games so I made sure not to react/engage or give into the struggle there. It only exacerbated things. I also tried to distance myself from him for a while (didn't work that well because soemthing about Moon/Pluto feels like glue). That also could've been some of our Saturn aspects. But my advice would be take a breather and distance yourself if you can (physically and emotionally). It sounds like a lot of negativity is manifesting. See if you have any Nessus aspects touching your moon/pluto square or even Mercury making hard aspects to to Pluto. That might have a lot to do with the psychological trauma. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3875 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted June 08, 2019 02:25 AM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 194112 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 14, 2019 10:31 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 194112 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2019 10:42 AM
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 29, 2024 12:12 PM
I got here by searching for experience and advice for moon-pluto in composite. I have Pluto in Scorpio opposite Moon in Taurus in composite with someone I am dating right now and it's also conjunct ASC(pluto) and DC(moon). it's SO HARD and honestly feels like it's more damaging than good. He is a uranian Aries pretty chaotic and his hot and cold attitude drives me insane, when I am not in contact with him, I get very insecure and unsettled by his energy in a primal way. I woke up in the middle of the night and my whole body was anxious. When people said Pluto is dark and hard, I couldn't understand the degree of it, now I know. it's very very emotional and uncontrollable, it's dark.IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 1083 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted May 29, 2024 10:36 PM
Moon square pluto in the composite is digging up deeply suppressed sexual and emotional energies. If you’ve worked thru them great. If not, which is a larger majority, hats off cuz you are in for one hell a ride. 🙂IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 29, 2024 11:43 PM
We have Pluto opposite Moon in Composite instead of square but I am sure square is similar. How do you work through this energy? it's insane. What calmed me down today was reading about Narcissistic behaviors and it felt very close to what I was experiencing - the hot and cold attention. I was relieved to know what stems from it. IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 30, 2024 05:47 AM
This is a very old post of mine. I was coming to this forum because I felt frustrated with my relationship at that time. I thought it would be easy to break the relationship with Gemini man as what I had read, but the Gemini man I was dealt with kept coming back like it was so crazy to think about at that time because we had some intense situations where I didn't think we could get through it due to how big the damage he did to our relationship but he refused to end the relationship and kept coming knocking at my door like a crazy person.I'm laughing because this Gemini man is now my husband. Nowadays, our marriage runs quite smoothly after a long years of hurt feelings. We were almost divorce actually, but due to I'm quite slow making a decision, he took the advantage to try more stable and calm in our marriage and listen to me more as his wife instead of other people (probably his way to show me that he tries to make a better change to make me keep staying and not thinking about divorcing him). IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 30, 2024 01:49 PM
Oh wow, thanks for the update and that's great to know that you guys really worked through this challenging aspect and rose above. I wasn't sure if the Pluto-moon hard aspect was just a curse (heard it's especially on the female side with the moon involved). I'd love to see your composite chart if you don't mind. TY! IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 30, 2024 03:44 PM
Sure. Here's my composite with my husband:( The ascendant and the house may not accurately correct because the exact birth time of my husband is unknown, I only got the information that he was born in the morning, so I did my own research to what closely describe our relationship and perhaps the position of ascendant and the house is like this: ) IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted May 30, 2024 04:41 PM
Hey! The image seems broken on my end. can you post a link? THX! IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 30, 2024 05:03 PM
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted June 04, 2024 08:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by hearttreasure: Composite Chart Link
thanks for sharing the chart. the Aries stellium looks very nice and positive and the trine with Saturn is solid. I guess once you transformed from the Pluto experience, the Moon square Pluto aspect can be a binding one too? The south node in the 7th seems to be Karmic. IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted June 08, 2024 07:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: thanks for sharing the chart. the Aries stellium looks very nice and positive and the trine with Saturn is solid. I guess once you transformed from the Pluto experience, the Moon square Pluto aspect can be a binding one too? The south node in the 7th seems to be Karmic.
Oh wow, I didn't notice our south node in the 7th house. Thanks for highlighting it. I don't know whether this has correlation with the south node in 7th house but my husband told me that when he first saw/met me, he felt an immediate comfort and like we had been in a long time relationship before (we were not in a relationship at that time, just having a casual talk when I helped him with a task). I remember I cringed at him. After that he pursued me. For me, pluto feels binding if you nurture 'the fear' in the relationship: fear of losing the person, fear of losing the relationship, fear of being left out, fear of getting cheated on, fear of the future of the relationship, fear of the opposite sex around our partner, etc. Sometimes it can make a lot of issues around too much of 'analyzing' or 'wanting to go deeper' because 'the fear' is heightened by Pluto. Pluto can trigger your deeper emotions, lets say, maybe the anger you never know you have, the hatred you never know you could do, the love you never know exist (in the meaning of intense, not necessarily the best). So it really depends on the two people involved, I think it is very important if not two, at least one of you should be really aware of what it is healthy relationship to guide the other and what it is healthy boundaries. For me, the term of binding is not only about Pluto but also can be found in other good aspect like sun/moon, venus/mars, sun/mercury, etc In my relationship, I think we have learned that we should let the other person has their own life which means we should learned to put faith in the relationship, we should learned to create healthy boundaries, we should learned to trust each other about their own activities, we should let each other to be their own individual without trying to control them. But I don't know if we have been transformed completely because sometimes the shadow of Pluto is still affecting our relationship. It is true that the deal breaker of Pluto is a betrayal or cheating. So, the relationship will be 100 times harder if it happens because Pluto is not known as a planet of forgiveness but it will heightened the Fear 100 times especially with the hard aspect. Unfortunately in our relationship my husband did this damage so we had a series of drama and intense situations. I think the reason why the relationship is still here because my husband doesn't want to separate and he kind of tries to show me that he is all in this relationship now. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted June 17, 2024 03:47 PM
Everything you laid out about "the fear" I feel that feeling right now. I fear losing his love towards me, I fear he might be interested in my best friend romantically, I fear he might be using me... he brings up my deepest insecurity and fear- it's deeply uncomfortable and sometimes I feel it physically, makes me dizzy and cry but when I see him I forget everything back to the loving mode again. I was wondering if this is my intuition that my subconscious mind is warning me to run away from an ugly situation OR it's my fear that I haven't dealt with properly and am supposed to overcome...IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 194112 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 05, 2024 04:44 PM
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hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted August 04, 2024 04:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: ...I was wondering if this is my intuition that my subconscious mind is warning me to run away from an ugly situation OR it's my fear that I haven't dealt with properly and am supposed to overcome...
It crossed my mind once too and I chose running away, but he always found me. In my relationship at that time, I think the one who felt more insecure was him than me. I only had a fear if he did the same mistakes AGAIN and the thought of time that wasted because of dealing with that stupidity AGAIN probably would make me so upset to myself for giving more chances. But honestly, this is only based on my personal judgement of aspects because I am looking for a long term relationship and partner (if lucky for the whole life), the time my husband wanted a relationship with me, I was looking into his natal chart to make sure we didn't have: Moon square Moon and/or Mars square Mars and/or too much Pluto hard aspect to personal planets. For me, those things okay for friendship but it's probably hard in a relationship for long term, unless there are a lot of compromising to make. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted August 06, 2024 07:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearttreasure: It crossed my mind once too and I chose running away, but he always found me.In my relationship at that time, I think the one who felt more insecure was him than me. I only had a fear if he did the same mistakes AGAIN and the thought of time that wasted because of dealing with that stupidity AGAIN probably would make me so upset to myself for giving more chances. But honestly, this is only based on my personal judgement of aspects because I am looking for a long term relationship and partner (if lucky for the whole life), the time my husband wanted a relationship with me, I was looking into his natal chart to make sure we didn't have: Moon square Moon and/or Mars square Mars and/or too much Pluto hard aspect to personal planets. For me, those things okay for friendship but it's probably hard in a relationship for long term, unless there are a lot of compromising to make.
Lol i am laughing because I have Moon Square moon with my bf. As well as our Plutos square ACs in DW, Pluto square/opposite Mercury in both ways... I mainly decided to be with him because I feel a strong sense of growth with him, I feel energized and transformed + ing. After a lot of tears and fears, and digging into the info about Pluto opposite moon in composite, I've decided to be very honest with him about my feelings and insecurities and if he leaves me, so be it. But I was very careful in how I was expressing it, talking to him in a very thought-through manner, not expressing it emotionally. This made our relationship SOOO much better. He listens and tries to improve. We are finally, officially together as partners. A deeper sense of trust and love is growing, Although he still does things that make me feel jealous and insecure. My shadow is coming to the surface and I'm really trying to work on facing my shadow. We shall see how it unfolds... Pluto is such an interesting planet, I am starting to understand how to work with it a little by little...
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kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted August 18, 2024 11:41 PM
Here is an update - Today is supposed to be the gnarliest full moon of the year in Aquarius with mutable Tsquare transit (Saturn 17° in 7H, Mars, Jupiter 17° in 10H, Venus 17° in 1H) & Uranus square Mercury Rx in Virgo. My Natal Virgo Sun(AC) sits at 16° and Natal Uranus(IC) at 14° making tight aspects with those transits creating a Grand Cross. I believe some type of karmic gate opened up to deliver some lessons to me today.My boyfriend called me this morning sobbing saying that he cheated on me with his ex-girlfriend at this wedding and was so sorry to me, but he is still in love with me, completely out of nowhere. so yeah a prof that Pluto opposite Moon in composite did psychological damage to me. I'm wondering if this is a cheating aspect esp you had that experience too, although yours were square. In our composite, the Sun, Mercury, and Lilith are all in 8H. I've always felt anxious about him but I thought I was handling Pluto by having honest communication with him but he has been hiding something in the back this is a rly dark and shocking turnout. prob no going back.
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hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1363 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted August 19, 2024 08:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by kikoman: Here is an update - Today is supposed to be the gnarliest full moon of the year in Aquarius with mutable Tsquare transit (Saturn 17° in 7H, Mars, Jupiter 17° in 10H, Venus 17° in 1H) & Uranus square Mercury Rx in Virgo. My Natal Virgo Sun(AC) sits at 16° and Natal Uranus(IC) at 14° making tight aspects with those transits creating a Grand Cross. I believe some type of karmic gate opened up to deliver some lessons to me today.My boyfriend called me this morning sobbing saying that he cheated on me with his ex-girlfriend at this wedding and was so sorry to me, but he is still in love with me, completely out of nowhere. so yeah a prof that Pluto opposite Moon in composite did psychological damage to me. I'm wondering if this is a cheating aspect esp you had that experience too, although yours were square. In our composite, the Sun, Mercury, and Lilith are all in 8H. I've always felt anxious about him but I thought I was handling Pluto by having honest communication with him but he has been hiding something in the back this is a rly dark and shocking turnout. prob no going back.
I'm sorry to hear that, I feel you. My husband did the same too, cheated on me with his ex (it was complicated though). I don't think Moon/Pluto in composite is a cheating aspect, I think it is a sign that if you have this aspect in composite, you need and have to be aware of what might be the impact to your mental/psychic about the relationship if what you fear the most in the relationship happens. Natally I have Moon/Jupiter conjunct (expect that my feelings always try to push me to be happy, positive, content, generous, and full of optimism even after the storm/fight), so Moon/Pluto in composite hit me like a sh*t, to be honest I'm not a fan of that aspect but must accept that I live with it, even my daughter has the Moon/Pluto opposition in her natal chart, but since her Moon is in Cancer, in a position of domicile, I understand that home and her close circle (the biggest part is parents) must feel safe, supported, and trusted, to reduce Pluto effect in a future as those what Pluto actually crave, trusted person, trusted environment, even a small circle can make a good impact, imagine a small light in the darkness gives hope. With Pluto relationship especially if it involves the Moon, I don't think it would be an easy and happy relationship, there must be one moment you deal with the dark side of it. I hope you can get through it no matter what choices you make. IP: Logged |
kikoman Knowflake Posts: 62 From: Registered: Apr 2024
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posted August 19, 2024 09:33 PM
Yeah, that sounds right that it impacts ppl deeply. and impacts the female more since it's the moon. I have a Cancer Moon too and it's rly fragile but sweet. Aspecting Pluto she must feel things even deeper, when it's well nurtured, it can be powerful and people are very attracted by the intensity. Anyway, I read some text in a book that Pluto opposite moon in compsite is an aspect that is not to be f*ck with. I am only learning it through the experience.--- The opposition of composite Moon and Pluto is an aspect of extreme emotional intensity, calling forth great involvement and strong feelings. You certainly won't worry about not having a strong effect on each other; the problem will be to avoid having too strong an effect. If improperly handled, this combination can give rise to extreme jealousy, struggles for dominance, and excessive possessiveness. As a result, one of you may completely strangle the other's individuality, or at least attempt to do so. If this occurs, the one being dominated will find it very hard to deal with, because the tactics used to dominate will be subversive rather than direct. For example, one of you may appeal to the other's sense of guilt in order to coerce the other. The aggression will often be passive rather than active; that is, the manipulator may pretend to be hurt by the other in order to get his or her way. Such a situation must be avoided at all costs. The power of this aspect can lead to emotional violence, which could destroy the relationship and leave much bad feeling in its wake. If you are tempted to use these tactics, don't. Be as straightforward and direct as possible. The results will probably be better than you imagine, and at least they will be less destructive. Every time you win by being manipulative, you actually lose, because the other person is building up a long-lasting reservoir of resentment that may explode when you least expect it. If you are the victim of such methods by your friend or partner, be direct and call your friend's bluff. Declare that you know what is being done and that vou won't stand for it. If emotional manipulation is being used to prevent you from doing something you have a right to do, say so and go right ahead with your plans. Don't allow yourself to be the victim of any kind of emotional blackmail. -----------------
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