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Topic: Synastry: Saturn conjunct Vertex
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SagSun
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posted May 30, 2007 08:10 AM
 
Does anyone of you have any infos on the possible effects of a conjunction of Saturn and the Vertex in synastry? Would this indicate a somewhat fated or karmic relationship???I did some research on the internet myself but I couldn't find any interpretations for this aspect in synastry. So, any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks!!! IP: Logged |
zonnan
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posted May 30, 2007 11:15 AM
I read this somewhere:`When people you meet have planets conjunct your Vertex or visa versa you will see something special about them...and you do not usually forget the person. There is an instant connection on some level and for some specific purpose. The nature of the relationship can be intense and have a sense of fatedness. It seems that the Vertex attracts important or fated people and events into our lives. When a person's Saturn is conjunct your Vertex, they may be somewhat 'stabilizing' or offer some sage advice to you. You may look up to this person for the discipline, lessons or structures they bring into your life or visa versa. We do not always welcome the lessons or Saturnian energy one brings to a relationship.` How about vertex conjunct moon? I suppose something to do with your emotions, and vertex square pluto and chiron? the square has much less effect?
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pearlized
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posted May 30, 2007 01:31 PM
I heard only conjunctions and oppositions work with the Vertex. Have my vertex conjunct someones true node and thier vertex conjunct my descendant cant get them out of my mind.IP: Logged |
zonnan
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posted May 30, 2007 03:12 PM
yes, only conjunction counts..so my moon conjunct his vertex, he feels something for me but my vertex only square his pluto and chiron, I feel nothing so strong?  IP: Logged |
pearlized
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posted May 30, 2007 05:21 PM
zonnan i found this on the net:
Basically, what it means is that person A and person B had met each other at the right place and at the right time. Both their vertexes got triggered when they met. They will cause some kind of change in each other and this change will be for the better (oppositions with vertexes cause the change for the worse). These two people met each other by fate. Note, the situations with vertexes very depend on current (!) location at where these people are currently at. If one of them, or both of them, move, the situation may change.IP: Logged |
SagSun
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posted May 30, 2007 07:02 PM
Thanks for putting this interpretation up ... quote:
When people you meet have planets conjunct your Vertex or visa versa you will see something special about them...and you do not usually forget the person. There is an instant connection on some level and for some specific purpose. The nature of the relationship can be intense and have a sense of fatedness. It seems that the Vertex attracts important or fated people and events into our lives. When a person's Saturn is conjunct your Vertex, they may be somewhat 'stabilizing' or offer some sage advice to you. You may look up to this person for the discipline, lessons or structures they bring into your life or visa versa. We do not always welcome the lessons or Saturnian energy one brings to a relationship.
I am 100 percent sure that the Vertex has something to do with fate. I have Saturn conjunct Vertex with someone in synastry (actually, we have a Saturn/Vertex conjunction a double whammy) ... but I'm definitely not looking to him for discipline or structure. But with Saturn being the planet of karma and everything and Vertex signifying some kind of destiny, maybe it just means that the relationship is not just a karmic one, but also a fated one ... I dunno ... am I making sense here? IP: Logged |
zonnan
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posted May 30, 2007 07:31 PM
Pearlized,Thanks for the interpretation, so what it means is that we both have to be at the place where we were born.
My moon conjunct his vertex, that means I can cause some kind of change in him for the better?(I hope). very interesting since my pluto also conjunct his sun and venus, it may also indicates some sort of transformation, and his chiron conjunct my Des, some sort of wound healing? Sagsun, You are most welcome, saturn may also cause some sort of stabilizing effect on the relationship, like when saturn is involved, it is difficult to break away completely? or the relationship may teach you something without you realizing it at the moment?
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pearlized
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posted May 30, 2007 08:23 PM
I didnt take it to mean the place of birth but whatever city you actually first meet in? The guy i have the connection with we grew up about 3 hours apart from each other but now we live in the same city about 1000 miles from where we where born.IP: Logged |
zonnan
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posted May 31, 2007 12:34 AM
Thanks! peralized!
sound like you have a great connection there!IP: Logged |
Cha
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posted June 02, 2007 02:07 AM
What about if a woman's vertex conjunts a man's Lilith moon in the sign of scorpio no less?Is that also fated or will there be fireworks and craziness between the pair!IP: Logged |
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posted August 20, 2008 02:18 AM
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blue moon
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posted August 20, 2008 03:35 AM
Try this one: http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm
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The Vertex Point:
The Vertex point is found on the right side of the chart, and has been called an "unconscious Descendant," and is a very sensitive point having to do with relationship and partnership matters. Another person's planets conjunct one's vertex can be highly significant in a relationship. Vertex midpoints in synastry also pertain to the nature of close relationships. Conjunctions to the Vertex and Vertex midpoints in synastry often have a "karmic" feeling about them.
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posted November 07, 2008 02:17 AM
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MyVirgoMask
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posted November 07, 2008 11:49 AM
I totally agree about the Vertex...I don't know exactly what it is, but I agree with the feelings of fate being involved. Every single relationship I know of which has conjunctions to the Vertex has something highly fated in feeling...I had one guy who's Pluto and NN conjunct my Vertex, and he effected me on such a deep level, right into my soul. It seemed to effect him too. My Uranus was conjunct his Vertex...I don't know if this makes sense, but he seemed fascinated with my life and felt drawn to how free I seemed, and always asked me about ways he could break free from certain viewpoints in his life, asking for my advice, etc..I don't think the oppositions to the Vertex cause changes for the worse though, mainly because I don't think oppositions as 'bad', just challenging. I would think Saturn to the Vertex might feel like a burden to an extent over time...or something having to do with lessons learned...but what lessons, I don't know. Maybe something to do with responsibility. Moon on the Vertex, I would think the connection would be very emotional somehow. IP: Logged |
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posted November 07, 2008 06:17 PM
Vxs are real big deals, never turn away from there. They are certainly fateful in feeling. Don't know what they mean specifically but Moon/Sun-Vx aspects are biggies in particular.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry.html Hard aspects (opp and conj) count between Vx and other planets/points.
http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010626.html
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LakiSG03
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posted June 25, 2010 11:18 AM
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posted June 27, 2010 03:20 AM
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posted June 27, 2011 02:01 PM
This is a rather long story of a man whose Saturn is conjunct my Vertex and his Vertex is conjunct my Saturn in the 12th house. So we have a double whammy of karma it seems!
Saturn in Libra rules my 4th and resides in my 12th. I rented a cabin 18 months ago, moving in the very day Saturn transited into my 12th. Surrounded by bushland, isolated, and private, my cabin overlooks a huge dam and I realised soon after arriving how Picean, 12th house, this place is.
BUT, with Saturn transiting the 12th the privacy I sought is invaded by the landlord, a Capricorn, who also lives on property about 200 metres away from my home, (with his Libra partner of 23 years who avoids me). He fiercely protects his privacy, offending my visitors, keeping total control of every circumstance, passing by my cabin EVERDAY as he walks around the dam, he is a very touchy and difficult person to be living beside. My N Saturn conjuncts Neptune, squares Moon, Mercury, Uranus and this Capricorn played upon all these aspects, challenging me to not buy into his neurosis and stay detached.
When I came here my Solar return chart had 7 Taurus on the ascendant which is his exact Moon degree so I knew he was significant in some way. It was months before I realised I was probably here for him even more than for myself. This may be as I am an extremely self contained Leo, Scorp Asc, who asks nothing of anyone and with Saturn in Libra seek fairness and justice for all.
It became obvious he was besotted by me, leaving roses at my door, giving gifts on birthdays and xmas, turning up drunk to proposition me, saying he and partner lived separate lives and how he was looking to move on.
I have no interest whatsoever, he is just my difficult landlord.
His chart is Aries Ascendant, (angry, hotheaded man) with T square Cappy Sun opposing Uranus and square Saturn. A few months ago his 2nd Saturn return began, setting off the T-square but not much occurred except his tractor, favourite toy, broke down right beside my cabin. This ensured he was closer than usual everyday for two weeks while he repaired it and I although I could not hold him accountable with intent, I prayed he would hurry, fix the damn thing and just go away.
During my time here I have transformed the neglected half acre of land into beautiful gardens, and 6 weeks ago he decided for all the work I had done he would give me an extension on my tiny cabin, a new room and a brand new kitchen, with no rent increase. Halleluyah, I had been living in a matchbox.
So everyday for 6 weeks he has been here, happy to oblige my requests of many windows, bar one, too much work, to which I suggested I make and put in myself to which he agreed. This window became the catalyst of his playing out his stressful transits. Familiarity obviously breeds contempt as two weeks ago he went off, attacking the issue of the window, totally irrational, hurling abuse, which I did not react to. Having relieved the pressure he apologised, blaming stress and outside pressures. Few days later off he went again and again I did not buy in. The man injured his left eye in an accident at 21 and this has obviously left him one eyed, or maybe that is why he injured it in the first place.
Then five days ago his brother died, (he hated him and had not seen him for years) yet the death effected him and I was the one to wear it. Speaking about ‘the’ window he went off, absolutely off, ranting screaming, roaring, waving a saw in my face, totally irrational. I watched silently, intrigued, seeing Mars in action at its worst.
He bellowed how he had a viscous temper. Big mistake I said I’d heard. That sent him apoplectic, spewing with rage.
I left, centred myself then returned, it was my home after all. I entered and asked did he need a hand as he had asked earlier for help. “I am ****** off with you, keep away from me” He sneered, “You’ve heard!’ “You’ve heard! , ra de da etc”.
I retreated outside, not prepared to buy into his ‘stuff’, and had a lovely day sanding furniture, nice phone calls, visitors, mowed the lawn until finally at five he left screaming away in his truck, ramming into a stone wall I had built, completely destroying it. He had actually broken so many things of mine in this time I was wondering was this some strange vendetta. I put it all down to the cost of the new room and said nothing.
By then I decided it was time to move on, it was all too much. Next morning he arrived and I left immediately for the day giving him no opportunity to berate me again. Following day he returned and as I went to leave he began roaring again with untrue accusations and I flared. “I own what is mine but I will not accept what is not mine and these accusations are not justified.” This was the first time I had responded to his bullying. “Get out!” He bellowed. “Just move out! I have had enough!”
I drove away, well prepared to move out.
Next morning he arrived at 6:45 am, humble and apologetic stating how he had not slept at all, deeply tormented by this, how he had never had an issue with me, how we had been good friends, how he built the room for me and did not want me to leave. He realised he was in a bad space and taking it all out on me, which was unwarranted and was very, very sorry.
After he voiced about his unfortunate life, (attracted no doubt by his negativity) the outcome was he agreed to get a liver tonic to calm the heat in his liver, being told a month before he had a fatty liver, (the liver being the organ relating to anger). He also accepted a CD of Echardt Tolle on personal power and came back later to show me his stars in the newspaper, which were applicable. (I being an astrologer) Seems now he is happy to do anything to please so I do not leave.
It is a gorgeous place, especially with the new room, so maybe…...
The following is the response to this story from a very dear friend who knows me better than anyone.
"Read your email and didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I’m deeply moved by the whole thing. I believe he has hidden out from the world on this property so he does not have to confront himself but the universe has sent the world to him in the form of you. And how ironic the issue was around a window, seems so relevant for a man who refuses to see outside himself. You are doing a deeply important and meaningful and wonderful thing for this man by being there I believe. On behalf of God, I thank you truly. But dear I laughed, it’s so funny isn’t it."Yeah I laugh too but also shake my head wondering why I continue to attract the ‘bad boys’. Curse my Sun conjunct Pluto/Mars but then that Vertex in Aries seems deeply significant… He is not the first with Aries to aspect my Vertex and disturb my life.
Yet my most significant relationship was with a Capricorn whose Sun was exactly square my Vertex. Anyone else recognise the square.
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posted September 25, 2011 10:05 PM
My birth father's Vertex, mars, and saturn all conjunct my Vertex. His moon opposes my/his Vertex. He and I had an extremely damaging relationship (for me), and i do not communicate with him any more.IP: Logged |
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posted September 26, 2011 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by britterfly:
My birth father's Vertex, mars, and saturn all conjunct my Vertex. His moon opposes my/his Vertex. He and I had an extremely damaging relationship (for me), and i do not communicate with him any more.
I just exchanged comments in another thread hours ago with another member about this same thing. Both of us had negative experiences with people whose Saturn aspected our Venus and/or Vertex, in some way. There's a definite pattern here; sure, other planets aspecting the Vertex might be fine, but Saturn is probably one of those 'if you see it, RUN!' things. IP: Logged |
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posted September 27, 2011 10:03 AM
Is Saturn that bad?  ------------------
I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, as they should be. IP: Logged |
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posted October 30, 2011 12:02 AM
I don't think it's bad, I've seen a couple of very long-term relationships with Saturn on the other's vertex. My fiance's vertex has my Saturn sitting on it. I think it sometimes plays out as the Saturn person urging the vertex person to outgrow ideas which don't work. I don't know if I'd isolate the whole aspect without looking at the whole synastry and composite though. IP: Logged |
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posted October 30, 2011 02:04 AM
Ive been experiencing this... I very much have the the fated feeling... Idk in ways is bad, but good, but bad all mixed together... IP: Logged |
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posted October 30, 2011 04:04 AM
What's the rest of the chart look like, Lioness? Any recurring Saturn themes? Responsibility burdens? Aspects work like themes a lot of the time and they show up in other ways, so it's probably coming up in other ways.IP: Logged |
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posted October 30, 2011 04:11 AM
This is in synastry.... I this with someone... His Saturn conjunct my Dsc also.. I have transit Saturn in H7.. but its moving closer to the 8th now.. IP: Logged | |
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