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yungang_grotto
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posted August 01, 2016 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you Chiron in Aries or Juno in Pisces?

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posted August 01, 2016 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you explain what you mean by a lot of energy and drive between them to address the issues which being together or wanting to be together arouse. he's Chiron and I'm Juno.
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Out of sign sextiles are peculiar things, it is difficult for me to interpret! I know they are felt but in.a way which acknowledhes that one planet is at the end of its sign journey and the other planet is just beginning... full of energy for that sign, whereas the one whose planet is at the end of the sign has a lot of wisdom as well as the most challenging possible energy of that sign... a culmination is happening as well as a beginning, and those planets are connected.

So with that in mind, the things I wrote above would apply perhaps, as they are connected for sure if sextile. Chiron sextiles are also a challenge for me to interpret! Because of personal blockages. Certain things are pushing the limits of my present understanding and you've just offered me some. Thank you.

Chiron sextile Juno would give the two people a lot of energy and drive between them to address the issues which being together or wanting to be together arouse.


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posted August 01, 2016 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I mean, there is energy there. There is a spark, there is an idea of wanting to do this, of wanting to explore this. It must be acted on to produce results, a sextile is potent energy waiting to be worked with.

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posted August 01, 2016 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What exactly does Chiron sextile Juno mean? Is that actually a mistress aspect in synastry?
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Well I mean, there is energy there. There is a spark, there is an idea of wanting to do this, of wanting to explore this. It must be acted on to produce results, a sextile is potent energy waiting to be worked with.

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posted August 01, 2016 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron in Aries. He has wounding around selfishness. Somebody or something taught him that pain comes through selfishness, and he is trying to resolve this, he has a key to addressing it. He is Chiron as Warrior. The best warrior is the one who defends his own survival and puta himself on the frontlines for the sake of the group. His instinct for self preservation serves everybody, and he is a fearless leader who is completely self assured.

You are Juno in Pisces, looking for a lover who will dissolve with you, who will sacrifice themselves for you, and who will understand your need for romanticism. Juno in Pisces just wants everything, and can be a little bit confused about how to go about getting it.

I don't think his Aries Chiron is exactly able to sacrifice~ and yet this might be a balm for him, to sacrifice himself, warriorlike, for love itself. And this would be music to Juno in Pisces' ears. Chiron here is giving form and definition to the love story, which Juno definitely needs.

The out of sign sextile speaks to that, metaphorically. Chiron is very interesting because it is able to use the energy of whatever sign it isin to access universal consciousness and the divine spark.

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posted August 01, 2016 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What exactly does Chiron sextile Juno mean? Is that actually a mistress aspect in synastry?

Ceri says no... I'm with her. The Magi say it is, but they don't count sextiles anyway (or composite charts as such, either)... so as far as they're concerned you're good. Or rather, not guaranteed mistresshood.

In short, I think that they're wrong, and I think the energy of these two interacting can certainly produce long term partnerships.

The possibility exists that monogamy or complete commitment is not guaranteed with these two nI tight aspect, as I mentioned above. Other things would point to a higher chance of that. There will likely.always be theawareness that there is a fatal flaw in Juno's perfect plan, but there is also healing for her with this aspect....

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posted August 01, 2016 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for explaining I had no idea I thought maybe this was a mistress aspect.
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Chiron in Aries. He has wounding around selfishness. Somebody or something taught him that pain comes through selfishness, and he is trying to resolve this, he has a key to addressing it. He is Chiron as Warrior. The best warrior is the one who defends his own survival and puta himself on the frontlines for the sake of the group. His instinct for self preservation serves everybody, and he is a fearless leader who is completely self assured.

You are Juno in Pisces, looking for a lover who will dissolve with you, who will sacrifice themselves for you, and who will understand your need for romanticism. Juno in Pisces just wants everything, and can be a little bit confused about how to go about getting it.

I don't think his Aries Chiron is exactly able to sacrifice~ and yet this might be a balm for him, to sacrifice himself, warriorlike, for love itself. And this would be music to Juno in Pisces' ears. Chiron here is giving form and definition to the love story, which Juno definitely needs.

The out of sign sextile speaks to that, metaphorically. Chiron is very interesting because it is able to use the energy of whatever sign it isin to access universal consciousness and the divine spark.


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posted August 01, 2016 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects in synastry or composite would be considered a mistress aspect? I wouldn't mind having this kind of aspect with someone.
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Ceri says no... I'm with her. The Magi say it is, but they don't count sextiles anyway (or composite charts as such, either)... so as far as they're concerned you're good. Or rather, not guaranteed mistresshood.

In short, I think that they're wrong, and I think the energy of these two interacting can certainly produce long term partnerships.

The possibility exists that monogamy or complete commitment is not guaranteed with these two nI tight aspect, as I mentioned above. Other things would point to a higher chance of that. There will likely.always be theawareness that there is a fatal flaw in Juno's perfect plan, but there is also healing for her with this aspect....


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Hmm, I have Juno trine Chiron / SN / MC in the composite with my boyfriend, and neither of us wants to get married. Juno is also square the Sun (1), Mercury (1), and Venus (5).

My Juno is conjunct his Saturn in synastry. His Juno is retrograde, and we both have Juno in Sagittarius (4 deg. and 11 deg.) and we both have Juno contraparallel Moon in natal. (where the declination of mine is the degree of his Juno, and the declination of his is the degree of my Juno. o.O Astrology is so weird like that.. or am I just crazy? )

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posted August 01, 2016 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I think there's kinda something to the idea that it indicates a likelihood that the couple is more healthy if the idea of over-commitment is not broached. There's too much awareness of the pitfalls of a Juno gone wrong, if you know what I mean.

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Yeah I really do^
And that's how I have always preferred it, maybe that's the Juno in Sagittarius talking, but I feel like the less pressure there is to legitimize something (while the correct actions are taking place), the more legitimate it feels.

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posted August 01, 2016 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow we have the Chiron/Juno conjunction as well in Composite, by exact 4 deg. It's coming from each having a Chiron/Juno trine natally by 4 deg. My juno = Leo. His juno = Aqua (opp. by 5 deg). It wasn't easy the last 24 hours between us either! I sometimes think he's a robot or something u know.. HEHE.

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posted August 01, 2016 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah I really do^
And that's how I have always preferred it, maybe that's the Juno in Sagittarius talking, but I feel like the less pressure there is to legitimize something (while the correct actions are taking place), the more legitimate it feels.

Totally. Too often marriage is a chain on unwilling participants to ensure they stay in line. That's Juno's shadow, and I'm not into it... I would be so unhappy if I thought someone was with me because of a contract and not the deep desire of their own heart...

That's chironjuno talking I think I have them sextile natally, it's wide though, Chiron 6 Cancer, Juno 1 Virgo. He has an even wider sextile, just by sign. It works out to a loose conjunction in the composite which was exact by progression when we first hooked up 8 years ago...

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posted August 01, 2016 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thing is that Juno as Queen is just constantly defending her position, attacking Zeus' mistresses, etc. So mistresses certainly figure into the myth. Chiron cuts to the quick and says, you can't win somebody's heart through manipulation.

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posted August 01, 2016 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow we have the Chiron/Juno conjunction as well in Composite, by exact 4 deg. It's coming from each having a Chiron/Juno trine natally by 4 deg. My juno = Leo. His juno = Aqua (opp. by 5 deg). It wasn't easy the last 24 hours between us either! I sometimes think he's a robot or something u know.. HEHE.

The Mercury Mars square in the sky right now is a DOOZY. Getting aaaall the vestiges of unaddressed Mars in Scorpio energy out before it finally moves into Sag for good on the new moon... tomorrow!

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posted August 01, 2016 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also Uranus just went retrograde, which might be why he looks like a brick wall right now

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posted August 01, 2016 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone stated that when it comes to mistress aspects that Lilith is involved.

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posted August 02, 2016 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My (or 'our') point is that I can't have sex anymore, or: HARDLY. The pressure to MUST-have continuously feels like one hell of a burthen and in fact it seems I'm always fighting against his attempts to move closer... and it becomes more clear he doesn't like it. Tension in the air and all that stuff. But I CAN'T HELP IT. I truly CAN'T. It's ME and it seems I have no choice than to stay true to myself. The immer tangible pressure of passions, with any kissing, stroking or touching a bit deeper than the innocent stuff.. such a burthen~!
Ow well Yeaaaa I CAN have sex butt.... it has to come from the INSIDE, which means (and I told him); a stroke of luck / chance hit. By now I think I must have passed the menopause already (pretty early yea) and it might explain something ... but he isn't even 30 yet, and full of hormones still! Well, that doesn't mean it would be more easy with an oldy goldy as the entire fkkin BURTHEN is what kills me. So, I keep in mind losing him sooner than later... which I do not like as I truly like him, fact. We have so much joy together. We slept in a little tent in his sister's yard this weekend as she gave a big party.. tents aalllll over the place and yea.. he got that stroke of luck ;D (drunk u see)

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posted August 02, 2016 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At mir here is my email samanthaanderson887@yahoo.com

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posted August 02, 2016 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww thanks dear! ^ Child.. his one and only ASTRO-twin (they only differ an hour or 2 from joining this earth plane)

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posted August 02, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, mir, I fully support you in staying true to yourself. Hehas a big lesson to learn, it is never ok to pressure anyone into sex, even if they are your partner. Don't feel any guilt. There is somebody out there who will love you for you, and indeed older men might be less inclined, and certain other men too who have the right charts/natural inclination to go periods without sex.

Chance hit.. I wonder what Uranus is doing in your chart? What's your Mars sign and his?

I am so sorry to hear of tis burden. You shouldn't have to do things you don't want to do just to have joyful companionship.

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Totally. Too often marriage is a chain on unwilling participants to ensure they stay in line. That's Juno's shadow, and I'm not into it... I would be so unhappy if I thought someone was with me because of a contract and not the deep desire of their own heart...


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posted August 02, 2016 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aw, mir, I fully support you in staying true to yourself. Hehas a big lesson to learn, it is never ok to pressure anyone into sex, even if they are your partner. Don't feel Anny guilt. There is somebody out there who will love you for you, and indeed older men might be less inclined, and certain other men too who have the right charts/natural inclination to go periods without sex.

Chance hit.. I wonder what Uranus is doing in your chart? What's your Mars sign and his?

I am so sorry to hear of tis burden. You shouldn't have to do things you don't want to do just to have joyful companionship.


Well, he's not exactly literally pressuring me as he has already consented to 'less intercourse' and more 'easy stuff' like stroking (< not the rough thing meant here) on hiss .. well u know (that simple).
But I feel the pressure so deeply as I am so highly aware of a(ny) man's sex need/importance. I fail in that, which is a fact. And it seems I'm turning my head for almost anything that goes beyond the innocence. And taking the give & take factor of relationships into account it can become a bit confusing yea. But fact indeed IS; I can't do anything against my will. It would be somehow a sacrifice. I'm sure I wouldn't keep ANY man without giving in a little bit. And it's so easy to imagine the unbearableness for someone with enough passions to deal with a partner that has a lack of it. Basically it's probably like this from my side; if (a lack of) SEX has the power to break us, then it is not real enough (unrealistic as it may sound as it's in fact the driving force behind any natural paring, or well almost).

Back to astrology ;D

Yea.. that Aqua-Mars of mine allergic for any (sex) routine. True. Not something to escape when you are in a relationship. And famous for not wanting sex when the partner wants it. True.
That's why I like distance, always did.

Me
- Mars Aqua 19,5
- North Node Aqua 14,5
- Uranus Libra 10 (only a sextile to my Sun within 3 deg when staying with the ptolemaic aspects, which ofcourse is less interesting when seeing the amazing resonance in minor alignments of Uranus to both our Luminaries as a whole)

It becomes even more interesting in the progressions. My Aqua Mars went finally direct in 2011 after 40 years, so a verrry slowww mover;

- Mars Aqua 12'02
- North Node Aqua 14'06
- Uranus Libra 12'29

^ all applying.

It's btw interesting that you asked specificially about Mars & Uranus.. you can't see it more clear than with those in the progressed realm.


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His Moon 10 Aqua
His Mars 10 Gem
His Uranus 26'33 Sag (conjunct his IC within 1 deg and square his Venus/Desc by 2&0 deg)

His progressed Uranus is now exact on his natal IC, literally an applying MINUTE.

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Yun, wanted to ask you this before; ever heard of vasya moon signs, like; his Moon is Vasya to yours? (that's what you 2 have - I never forget these connections when seeing them once - and was a bit curious if you felt that also somehow). We have it too, and I can feel it (ofcourse compared to all others guys I once had). I can give a link if you want.

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posted August 02, 2016 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I gave you my email because I know you really know my chart lol.
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Aww thanks dear! ^ Child.. his one and only ASTRO-twin (they only differ an hour or 2 from joining this earth plane)

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posted August 02, 2016 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ from the top of my head haha. Late Leo Asc while mine has a late Virgo Asc. The only difference ;D

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