posted December 05, 2016 12:14 PM            

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I'm sorry you have so many bad, hard aspects in your natal, but that doesn't change anything, Madame Research.

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posted December 05, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Madame Research.

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Thank you Actually, one of the "research" aspects I have in my chart is a classic: cardinal Mercury sq Saturn.

My chart, of course, has nothing to do with the many relational charts we all study in our effort to decipher interpersonal relationships, but if we are to look at my chart from a hard vs soft perspective, it is pretty much a 6-pointed star (Star of David) which turns into a 12 pointed Star, if we include 2 major asteroids. Which is generally considered a harmonious soft/hard structure and also called a "self-sufficient" geometric pattern. As a simpler look, you can also see it as a Mystic Rectangle connected with a nodal/solar/Jupiterian Grand Cross and a Minor Triangle. You are welcome to see it here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002558.html

I am sorry a different astrological perspective causes such fear in you enough to make you attempt to attack a random stranger over the internet, but remember you always have the option to stick to your inherited belief system without turning your fear into violence, while at the same time keeping respect or distance from other points of view.

While I am sorry my ideas cause such emotional havoc in you, I have to confess I also see it as a good sign and an encouragement in the change they could bring.

Thank you Faith and Astro Keen

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posted December 05, 2016 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
page one,

Do you have any thing sensible or clever or funny to say? If not, keep your sneers off this thread please.

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She can say her piece the same as everyone else can!

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posted December 05, 2016 02:04 PM            

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posted December 05, 2016 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saying things simply is the ESSENCE of intelligence, Folks.

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Not when you're factually incorrect.

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posted December 05, 2016 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
She can say her piece the same as everyone else can!

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of course, always jumping on the train that might discredit a business rival = LeeLoo or shall I say a professional astrologer that is far more complex and better than you Ami!!! nothing but jealousy in your mind

apart from that, i only have one thing to say about you:

you are

posted December 05, 2016 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saying things simply is the ESSENCE of intelligence, Folks.

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says the "astrologer" who has nothing to contribute but planet + planet = aspect, talking about untried asteroids and ABSOLUTELY lacks complexity.

posted December 05, 2016 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
She can say her piece the same as everyone else can!

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And so she does, about your piece though, what is the point you're making ?

I can see the title of the thread looks startlingly familiar to you, with your hordes of "5 aspects", the magic number and that's why your feathers are ruffled. I don't have a problem with them "9to5" threads, but I wish they would be in a more appropriate forum : the one for newbies.

posted December 05, 2016 03:36 PM            

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I'm sorry you have so many bad, hard aspects in your natal, but that doesn't change anything, Madame Research.

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Did she say she has many hard aspects in her natal chart ? Where do you get the idea from ?

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posted December 05, 2016 05:57 PM            

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I'm sorry you have so many bad, hard aspects in your natal, but that doesn't change anything, Madame Research.

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WTF?

posted December 05, 2016 06:49 PM            

Myself included. Heh.

posted December 05, 2016 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by UrsusBlack:
Everyone is so passive-aggressive in this thread. Lol

Myself included. Heh.

Let's play nice friends. 👍

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posted December 07, 2016 09:13 AM            

Worth reading, nothing most of us don't know, but it doesn't hurt repeating.

The title is "Qi Vampire Psychics", but it addresses astrologers who make absurd blanket statements and create a lot of worry and fret for their clients, and sort of get off on feeling superior with their abilities, in addition to alleged psychics with the same behaviors.

posted December 07, 2016 10:55 AM            

My view is that it's not even the fatalistic way some of these things are put (though I think that does unnecessarily scare the cr*p out of an astro newbie) but especially just one or two interpretations there. While there's so much more to it!

* 1) There can be conflicting/mitigating aspects in that same synastry or composite - like how aside from difficult Pluto/Saturn/Nessus aspects, there are also some very sweet Moon-Venus, Moon-Jupter, Venus-Jupiter, Sun-Venus aspects, etc. This gives an outlet - it may or may not be enough to offset said hard aspects, but it can help (I think I've read in iq's posts about this)

* 2) Always check someone's natal chart as well. Like me, I am extremely Saturnine and through therapy have been working on any childhood issues/trauma for about 3 years, which has also helped me become more tolerant. And with my need for security, Saturn hard aspects can bring this. I need stability and this makes me not mind Big Daddy Saturn as much as someone who, say, has a chart chock full of Uranus and Jupiter aspects, planets in the 5th house and in Gemini/Sagittarius/Aqua/Aries without any water or earth planets to compensate.

Someone like that would go crazy and indeed perceive Saturn aspects as stifling, boring, holding them back, annoying, nagging, etc. While I like the stability and responsibility it brings, not just from myself but from the other person as well (again, as long as said person is also good with Saturn).

While too much hard Uranus drives me absolutely bonkers and sets off a lot of insecurity in me, though I do like a little freedom to be me and all weird and quirky. [wink] I'm already a tad unstable, I need someone who can keep me on track!

And I've made some lovely girlfriends on this forum when I was more active, and on other boards I used to frequent who indeed had Aqua, Sag and Gemini placements that clash like crazy with my chart, but who also had their Moons and/or Venus in a sign that did match up well with my chart, making them also very gentle when talking and reaching out to me. :smile:

* 3) There's always so many ways that an aspect, planet or even house placement can play out. There's positive and negative for every single planet - yes, even the lovely Jupiter and Venus can be bad! And Pluto can be extremely healing and help you come to terms with any lingering problems if you let him, making him work with you instead of against you. And while say Aqua is notorious for being detached and too set on freedom etc, they can also use said detachment not to be too affected by you when you have an outburst and just give you someone to let it all out to without offending them.

- Every planet is also in a duad and has a dispositor. A Moon in Leo ruled by the Sun in Capricorn, with a square from Saturn to boot, will act different from a Venus in Leo ruled by the Sun in Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter. Ditto for duads, which also alter the planet's expression a little, or at least add more to the story.

So that's why I agree with the thread. :smile:

*edited out last part about opinions since I realized I'm not sure how I'd do this myself.

posted December 07, 2016 11:04 AM            

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I enjoyed this thread...I was watching eating popcorn.
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*hiding*

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posted December 07, 2016 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
I completely agree with that! Though the basic interpretations and commonly good/bad aspects have their place on websites and are a good way to get into synastry and astrology, it's definitely not the only thing about it.

My view is that it's not even the fatalistic way some of these things are put (though I think that does unnecessarily scare the cr*p out of an astro newbie) but especially just one or two interpretations there. While there's so much more to it!

* 1) There can be conflicting/mitigating aspects in that same synastry or composite - like how aside from difficult Pluto/Saturn/Nessus aspects, there are also some very sweet Moon-Venus, Moon-Jupter, Venus-Jupiter, Sun-Venus aspects, etc. This gives an outlet - it may or may not be enough to offset said hard aspects, but it can help (I think I've read in iq's posts about this)

* 2) Always check someone's natal chart as well. Like me, I am extremely Saturnine and through therapy have been working on any childhood issues/trauma for about 3 years, which has also helped me become more tolerant. And with my need for security, Saturn hard aspects can bring this. I need stability and this makes me not mind Big Daddy Saturn as much as someone who, say, has a chart chock full of Uranus and Jupiter aspects, planets in the 5th house and in Gemini/Sagittarius/Aqua/Aries without any water or earth planets to compensate.

Someone like that would go crazy and indeed perceive Saturn aspects as stifling, boring, holding them back, annoying, nagging, etc. While I like the stability and responsibility it brings, not just from myself but from the other person as well (again, as long as said person is also good with Saturn).

While too much hard Uranus drives me absolutely bonkers and sets off a lot of insecurity in me, though I do like a little freedom to be me and all weird and quirky. [wink] I'm already a tad unstable, I need someone who can keep me on track!

And I've made some lovely girlfriends on this forum when I was more active, and on other boards I used to frequent who indeed had Aqua, Sag and Gemini placements that clash like crazy with my chart, but who also had their Moons and/or Venus in a sign that did match up well with my chart, making them also very gentle when talking and reaching out to me. :smile:

* 3) There's always so many ways that an aspect, planet or even house placement can play out. There's positive and negative for every single planet - yes, even the lovely Jupiter and Venus can be bad! And Pluto can be extremely healing and help you come to terms with any lingering problems if you let him, making him work with you instead of against you. And while say Aqua is notorious for being detached and too set on freedom etc, they can also use said detachment not to be too affected by you when you have an outburst and just give you someone to let it all out to without offending them.

- Every planet is also in a duad and has a dispositor. A Moon in Leo ruled by the Sun in Capricorn, with a square from Saturn to boot, will act different from a Venus in Leo ruled by the Sun in Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter. Ditto for duads, which also alter the planet's expression a little, or at least add more to the story.

So that's why I agree with the thread. :smile:

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posted December 07, 2016 11:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Great post! This thread is trying to stem the flow of "5 good and bad aspects' type threads and with it simplistic, dogmatic and ill-researched info.

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Ahhh I see. It can give the wrong impression indeed, as if these are the only aspects that can point to something, while of course there's more ways to explain someone being a homebody who needs a lot of security/commitment phobe/having had a rough childhood because of the father and so now they're very closed-off in relationships/etc.

I don't mind the 'five things' threads as long as it's obvious that there are more possible indicators and there's things that can change the expression.

Like - just an example on top of my head, not aimed at someone - I've seen plenty of "attractive aspects in the chart" threads where someone who has Venus conjunct the Ascendant come in and say they aren't attractive (I'd say that's more how they feel about themselves, but anyway) or aren't seen as attractive by others, or that they know this person who has it and isn't all that gorgeous. While it of course can also make someone just look very friendly, social, easy to approach, etc.

I think if someone can't relate to those basic descriptions - in this case, in synastry, there's usually something in the chart that explains it.

posted December 07, 2016 12:03 PM            

Those classic Venus conjunct Mars/Pluto/etc aspects that are said to be very sexual? Yes, they can be. But remember that a conjunction to a planet will set off the other person's aspects to that planet. If someone's Venus is very challenged in the chart, the Venus person might just find Mars/Pluto/etc way too aggressive for them, or it stirs up some of their personal problems.

And a Mars with a lot of hard aspects might feel insecure when the other person acts more passive, takes things slowly, etc, and then feels rejected or held back.

posted December 07, 2016 01:46 PM            

You would HOPE it would obvious that the 5 threads are basic things

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posted December 07, 2016 02:19 PM            

O-B- V-I-O-U S

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