posted December 07, 2016 04:10 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you Actually, one of the "research" aspects I have in my chart is a classic: cardinal Mercury sq Saturn.

My chart, of course, has nothing to do with the many relational charts we all study in our effort to decipher interpersonal relationships, but if we are to look at my chart from a hard vs soft perspective, it is pretty much a 6-pointed star (Star of David) which turns into a 12 pointed Star, if we include 2 major asteroids. Which is generally considered a harmonious soft/hard structure and also called a "self-sufficient" geometric pattern. As a simpler look, you can also see it as a Mystic Rectangle connected with a nodal/solar/Jupiterian Grand Cross and a Minor Triangle. You are welcome to see it here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002558.html

I am sorry a different astrological perspective causes such fear in you enough to make you attempt to attack a random stranger over the internet, but remember you always have the option to stick to your inherited belief system without turning your fear into violence, while at the same time keeping respect or distance from other points of view.

While I am sorry my ideas cause such emotional havoc in you, I have to confess I also see it as a good sign and an encouragement in the change they could bring.

Thank you Faith and Astro Keen

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Is "thinking outside of the box" the new byphrase for denial? I would say, yes. You are way too invested in a particular conclusion for your "research" to amount to much.

posted December 07, 2016 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
WTF?

LeeLoo <3

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posted December 07, 2016 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:

Welcome!

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Thank you, Astro keen, sorry I missed this

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posted December 08, 2016 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
page one,

What is it exactly that you are saying other than an insult? Are you arguing against anything that Leeloo said, and if so, what is your argument?

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Don't worry about Page One, Astro keen, she is just a pathetic old troll of this forum, that has always been her contribution here, in all her 543 posts. As a moderator I warned her many times and even included her in conversations, encouraging her to make her first astrological thread or even one post on Lindaland. It never happened, it never will. Scum will be scum. She's been banned before, keeps coming back, what can you do? All forums have their trolls.

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posted December 08, 2016 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Is "thinking outside of the box" the new byphrase for denial? I would say, yes. You are way too invested in a particular conclusion for your "research" to amount to much.

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You can't take a hint, can you? Until someone tells you to get back into your box, you won't stop.

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posted December 08, 2016 07:53 AM            

you are absolutely right about that thread.
I put down my take on this on another thread as well.

This reduction is not astrology, just as putting for example five nouns next to each other, does not make a sentence.

(now if we have two nouns, a verb, possible an adjective or adverb, put into the right inflection of a word - then we would be at least getting closer to a real interpretation; though one sentence still would not make a whole text; we also need context and meaning. One defining characteristic of a text is the coherence of the sentences to form a whole - THAT is what makes astrology as well; any form of astrology that fails to deliver that, simply is not astrological interpretation, but simply pulling things from the toolkit and repeating them, and no matter how often something gets repeated, it doesn`t make it any more meaningful or right.).

But I must also tell you you are fighting against windmills here. Nothing will change.
Easy albeit partly misleading answers is apparently what most people want.

posted December 08, 2016 07:55 AM            

sorry about that.
And well, you know what I meant, right?
Do we really have to put up with kindergarten-crap like Page One just pulled on you?
NOt saying much more, cause I don`t want to feed the trolls anymore I already did with those few sentences, but you know I am with you.

posted December 08, 2016 02:19 PM            

As I see it there are a few issues that were brought up:

Astro keen's: The use of synastry factors (asteroids) in synastry to make a prediction about a third party. This involves three things:

(a) queries about the charts/lives of third parties (rarely helpful). This is usually a desire by the querent to relieve their own anxiety about a loved one's situation. The problem is their anxiety. The third party will do what they will do without or without advice from an astrologer they do not know, even if it comes through the words of a loved one. This grapevine astrology is ineffective and basically a futile exercise at relieving anxiety that would be better relieved by taking a walk, some deep breaths, or meditating.

(b) picking out one factor or aspect to make a prediction or interpretation, not a good idea, especially with the chart of a third party.

(c) over-reliance on minor factors like asteroids, which never have the importance of planets.

These alone form an ideational obstacle course in which little agreement can be reached because of the different approaches astrologers will choose to take.

Here are some suggestions:

I suggest that you not make queries about third parties. Ask about your own chart, post an actual chart or data sheet, or offer your birth data.

It is best to answer questions with a specific interpretation only when looking at the actual chart in question. Secondhand information is often wrong or in some way misconstrued. Astrology is complex and newbies (and veterans) sometimes miscommunicate in the transfer.

It is best for third parties to make their own inquiries.

Astro keen's: Free will of the person in question. This is a biggie, because it is far easier to come up with simplistic interpretations that are actually predictions, which can hold a kind of sway over the mind of the querent, lending an apparent authority to the astrologer giving it. I don't care how psychic or intuitive a person is or how long they may have followed, studied, or practiced astrology, no one -- NO ONE -- has the right to step in between a person and the free will given them by nature and Creator.

Free will is not a question of whether any of us have the power to immediately choose to transcend gravity or some other unavoidable dynamic of nature. It is about the choice of the individual in expressing the energies shown in their birth chart. We make thousands of these choices each day within our thought processes. Brain science has documented this.

We all have choice in how we direct the martial energy of Mars or any other energy.

That is what is missing too often - failure to see astrological factors as energy potentials that can be used in a variety of ways and informing the native of that. Otherwise, we continue the superstitious notions of the astrologies of old that the planets 'rule' us (thus commanding rather than nudging), that there is some 'law' formerly attributed to the pantheon of gods, but now lent to anthropomorphized planets. But what is always given in that mindset is the astrologer's personal take on exactly what that means for a given chart, or some borrowed cookie cutter 'cook book' notion.

Planets are mirrors. They are external bodies that represent the energetic aspects of ourselves, of the cosmic body. That is why Steven Forrest named one of his books, The Inner Sky. This perspective is more humanist and more spiritual.

Astrologers missing a genuine experience and understanding of this will give simplistic interpretations that can easily be wrong, and yes, will be do more harm than good.

Violets: "Qi Vampire Psychics" link:

http://mysticmedusa.com/2016/12/qi-vampire-psychics/

I can concur with this even without reading the article. One of the biggest challenges to keeping my ego in balance over the last two decades has been related to this astrologer's ego, the [b]I know something you don't (about you). It is very seductive and can steer judgment away from the balance of logic and intuition, away from respect for the free choice of others (past and future). It obscures a clear, contemplative view of any birth chart.

The purpose of studying or applying astrological information is for liberating the mind to greater soul development.

Finally, when a person gives a specific predictive interpretation for especially a third party this is not a general introduction to astrology. It is the attempt to perform astrology in answering a specific question about a specific person's life.

Having astrological insight is a responsibility. If I violate appropriate boundaries or fail to honor a person's free will -- ever -- please, feel perfectly free to call me on it. I will apologize and correct myself.

posted December 08, 2016 04:17 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

sorry about that.
And well, you know what I meant, right?
Do we really have to put up with kindergarten-crap like Page One just pulled on you?
NOt saying much more, cause I don`t want to feed the trolls anymore I already did with those few sentences, but you know I am with you.

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The Kindergarten Crap was begun by little miss leeloo in another thread, then brought over to this one, or hadn't you noticed? It sounds like you both could do with an extended vacay from this place.

posted December 08, 2016 04:24 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You can't take a hint, can you? Until someone tells you to get back into your box, you won't stop.

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You poor abused creature. Attempting to insult other people's intelligence because your opinions are being crossed is very much a Mercury square Saturn trait, as is being defensive, condescending, verbally abusive and in some cases giving displays of spectacular paranoia. If you had any sense you would just stop.

posted December 08, 2016 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
The Kindergarten Crap was begun by little miss leeloo in another thread, then brought over to this one, or hadn't you noticed? It sounds like you both could do with an extended vacay from this place.

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NOTICE TO TROLLS

Please take a number.

We have a shortage of troll-petters today.

Your trolling will receive attention later.

posted December 08, 2016 04:32 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
[b]NOTICE TO TROLLS

Please take a number.

We have a shortage of troll-petters today.

Your trolling will receive attention later.

If you are dissatisfied with our service, we can provide a list of alternative internet venues where you might find more trolling satisfaction.[/B]

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I guess the worm has turned. The circling of the wagons around certain crank members is very unevolved, but very LL.

posted December 08, 2016 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
The Kindergarten Crap was begun by little miss leeloo in another thread, then brought over to this one, or hadn't you noticed? It sounds like you both could do with an extended vacay from this place.

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You know what? I`ve just been thinking maybe I should stay around.

posted December 08, 2016 04:39 PM              

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
page one,

What is it exactly that you are saying other than an insult? Are you arguing against anything that Leeloo said, and if so, what is your argument?

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Try reading slower, maybe it will help.

posted December 08, 2016 04:40 PM            

Now off you go, you've tested your limits today.

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posted December 08, 2016 04:40 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

You know what? I`ve just been thinking maybe I should stay around.

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That's too bad. I was hoping you were gone because you were finally getting a life.

posted December 08, 2016 04:41 PM            

so sweet of you to be worried about MY life....

posted December 08, 2016 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
That's too bad. I was hoping you were gone because you were finally getting a life.

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Hey, are you SpongeBob?

Whatever you are, you're getting banned.

posted December 08, 2016 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
You poor abused creature. Attempting to insult other people's intelligence because your opinions are being crossed is very much a Mercury square Saturn trait, as is being defensive, condescending, verbally abusive and in some cases giving displays of spectacular paranoia. If you had any sense you would just stop.

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Originally posted by page one:
That's too bad. I was hoping you were gone because you were finally getting a life.

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Sending to Randall.