posted November 29, 2016 05:15 PM            

I was told by Ami Anne that my son would abuse his girlfriend because of a particular aspect with Nessus, and I worried about it. This assumption was based on a single aspect alone. Keeping it simple did more harm than good. Needless to say, no such thing happened and they parted amicably.

Use of broad and dogmatic statements based on single aspects for effect or to get attention is a misuse of the tool of astrology.

posted November 29, 2016 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by AwakenSky16:
When we start in astrology, I think we have to learn and know in small pieces and experiment small before we are comfortable, acquire fluidity and intuition ...
When it makes sense everything is better It takes time
After we can loose the cookbooks.
All material helps to think.

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Brilliant comment, my Friend

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posted November 30, 2016 12:34 AM            

Let's use a very powerful aspect, Jupiter conjunct the Sun.

I don't know if you saw my picture threads, but it makes the people incredibly jovial- and I'm not just saying that because of traditional descriptions, it actually does instill that effect.

That is the factual part- they all have strong seemingly optimistic expression, big smiles, expressive eyes, like they aren't too emotional. Like they just like to be silly and humourous.

This is a certain kind of trait of personality.

What astrology can't necessarily do, at least well I dont know of any examples, is tell a person's actions, all astrology can slightly start to predict and will never apply to a majority is slight inclinations of behaviour. if you look at these people, some of them could be women beaters. One of them is a singer for a profession, the other looks like a businessman, another an actor (mostly famous people in the pic)

They all live different lifestyles, the sign energy they are coated with (such as sun in sag compared to sun in capricorn) will show a lot the field they go down in life. Could be a tree cutter, could be a race card driver.

The biggest thing astrology does is show MAYBE inclinations to certain activities, and MAYBE certain traits, but there are some traits that we can pin down such as most jup-sun conjuncts are quite jovial, it's a fact.

ETA: well the only real true fact of jup-sun conjunctions is that they have the jupiter energy fused with the sun. that's the only fact.

it doesnt necessarily mean they are all jovial. a couple look a bit moody but that jupiter energy is still there, like they are bursting with energy. so thats the only thing we can know, the jupiter energy is fused with their sun energy (sun=strong life drive). cant really say much more than that

Most venus-suns are very beautiful/amiable/look nice and delicate. Some are soccer players, some are TV hosts. Some beat their wives, most don't.

It's easier to just ignore the things that are false/have next to no basis

How would it sound if we said all jup suns create havoc wherever they go, they just make a mess and make others frustrated and then the jup suns leave without care.

That is 1) a perspective. to other people they might see that they produce movement and change, that they bring new ideas, but a one sided perspective will claim that they just destroy everything.

and 2) it would be easy to see that that is false. do they actually cause a mess? it can be observed if you interacted with a few of them several times. the fact is that they dont. there for if that claim was said then that absolute claim would be false.

Actually the probablilities of nessus making aspects to many planets in each chart, is high.

In fact 1/120 people have nessus tightly (3° orb) conjunct their sun. multiply that by 11 (for all bodies+asc/dsc) = 11/120 or 1/11 people have nessus conjunct a very significant point.

Go on to say even more- another 1/11 have nessus making a tight opposition. Another 2/11 have a tight square, then a tight trine.

Overall half of all people have a strong nessus aspect.

I believe the statistics of physical abuse are much lower. But the truth is many of us are slight emotional abusers- at least in the last 5 years of suffering from transformations, that was much talked about psychopaths/how to avoid them/ how to not take emotional abuse, it became popular, but i believe it is gradually dissipating most likely.

It has more to do with environments, how much you fit in with society, the stresses in your own life, genetics might make you not fit in with people or feel too feminine while you are a guy, or your chart might make you different and not fit in with a lot, so energys are vast and complex and there is many many reasons why someone can become frustrated/emotionally angry and even let out a bit of abuse on their family/friends.

So many reasons.

It's strange I have a mars exact conjunct sun friend.

Yes he got into many fights, yes he had a large drive to move and achieve. If you go on astrotheme search tool and look up mars-sun conjunctions, some of them look like they never lifted weights unlike my friend. Some look like they never got into a fight. But they all have a strong drive. But not their action is not known. One man had a strong drive to take photographs. Another to be a business host.

But nah all mars conjunct suns will be massive weight lifters and become about 300 pounds of muscle. Its a fact.

posted November 30, 2016 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
All planets and asteroids have a variety of meanings which can manifest either in the physical, or mental, or the spiritual realm. Add to that the free will or intentions of the person. It is our will to follow our inclinations or not. In addition, we are always changing. I could be many different people through my life. So, it takes a very sophisticated astrologer who takes the entire chart into account to predict to a reasonable degree what my responses are likely to be in any given situation,.

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(sorry if my englih is not always good...I try to give you a correct traduction of my thinking here) :

Yes there was another post on similar theme.
I understand your point better ....
And YES you're right, free will is very important. To take the interpretation backwards, to be attentive to what seems to "speak" to us and correspond to us (when we know ourselves enough. If not danger indeed ...). I really appreciate the "interpretations" upstream from interest of the experience and mostly because I am very observant of how interesting and amazing have the events played on me AFTER and in retrospect. I observe that astrology plays a lot on psychology : how we live the events inside ourselves and how we approach the world, the others ... It is about what we do about what it makes/happens to us with where we came from ... always.
It remains that this can be misinterpret (astrologer or person)(interpretation remains subjective and incomplete always and sometimes it's better) and just this must be clear to keep it in mind for ourself and, indeed, don't make hurt more than care ...

When a person is a professional astrologer this certainly requires a sense of ethics and always give a large information on (for example : what astrology can do or not and in which conditions...). The goal here stays to think in a good way and know how stay in questioning oneself to not hurt people who are fragile or weakened in some moments of their life.

It's a real responsibility.
Errors must be controlled but also a source of learning, when this happens (because no one is perfect all the time). Respect for people must remain paramount and the goal of any professional

Here at LL, we still remain learners...

@Soren : Happy to read you again.

posted November 30, 2016 02:31 AM            

Thanks, I enjoy reading you too

And agree with what you said. I guess there can be different types of astrologers, should it be about finding facts, or about finding positive facts.

Either way, I make the quote,

posted November 30, 2016 04:24 AM            

astrology is pure math. the same math laws based on which the universe has been created. do people ever get mad at mathematics and say that claiming 2+2=4 is dogma?!

it's the same with astrology, aspects and degrees. plus with a huge metaphysical and symbolic meaning behind it. anything you hear an astrologer tell you isn't because they want to scare you. it's only that they're sharing their experience/advice simply because you have asked them.

posted November 30, 2016 05:31 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Either way, I make the quote,

"ALL MARS CONJ SUN ARE MASSIVE BODY BUILDERS. EVERY ONE. NEXT CLIENT!!"

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posted November 30, 2016 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
@Astro keen

astrology is pure math. the same math laws based on which the universe has been created. do people ever get mad at mathematics and say that claiming 2+2=4 is dogma?!

it's the same with astrology, aspects and degrees. plus with a huge metaphysical and symbolic meaning behind it. anything you hear an astrologer tell you isn't because they want to scare you. it's only that they're sharing their experience/advice simply because you have asked them.

of course there are also frauds out there looking for your money, so you must also be careful who you trust. I have personally found people on LL quite smart and reasonable, and it's a free forum so be sure nobody is trying to deceive you.

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posted December 02, 2016 02:43 PM            

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So, why are these forums being assailed by these simplifications.

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posted December 03, 2016 01:09 AM            

When I first started learning astrology I did learn a thing or two when aspects were over simplified into 5 aspects. I soon learned that these lists were being made by someone with an agenda, labeling their aspects as good and any aspects or placements of any person that they had an issue with as bad.

posted December 03, 2016 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:

I was told by Ami Anne that my son would abuse his girlfriend because of a particular aspect with Nessus, and I worried about it. This assumption was based on a single aspect alone. Keeping it simple did more harm than good. Needless to say, so such thing happened and they parted amicably.

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How irresponsible

some "astrologers" should be prohibited from doing any charts- it's harmful and profiteering what they do

posted December 03, 2016 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
@Astro keen

astrology is pure math. the same math laws based on which the universe has been created. do people ever get mad at mathematics and say that claiming 2+2=4 is dogma?!

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of course, 2+2=4 but sorry you can't apply that to a birt chart in my opinion.
That would only make sense if a birth chart consists of 2 or 4 planets only but we all know that this is not the case.

Even if you apply that rule to a birth chart, you would need to consider the birth chart at least like some polygon and if so the calculation would be at least as complicated as follows

posted December 03, 2016 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
You are missing the point here! This tabloid journalism variety of astrology does more harm than good. It gets attention but essentially misleads.

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I agree.

We have to take the topical and reductionist nature of many statements in forums - and now blogs - with a grain of salt. There are many sites and youtube channels with astrology containing assertions by folks who are not well studied. Some are embarrassingly naive, yet still make astrological assertions and seem as if they are attempting to reinvent the wheel with some personal revelation about astrology when they clearly don't even have a basic understanding yet.

The www technology we use here makes for ease of communication, that is all. So now those who are not studying in-depth, but get excited about what they've learned (or think they know) get to spread their thoughts. A lot of it is 'thinking out loud.'

I recently addressed this in a blog post, Use discernment with astrology websites:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/use-discernment-with-astrology-websites/

posted December 03, 2016 04:15 PM            

Very nice to read Cayce say this:
"but let it be understood here, no action of any planet or the phases of the sun, the moon or any of the heavenly bodies surpass the rule of man’s will power".

posted December 03, 2016 05:51 PM            

of astrology.

An ode to the simple mind.

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posted December 05, 2016 11:51 AM            

It tastes sweet to your ego when you are on the "best" list.

It tastes sweet to your ego when you see someone who wronged you on the "worst" list, and you vent and feel propelled up above them.

Might not be SO bad if the astrologer in question actually provided evidence of the "research" she continually claims to have done, but she has never bothered to substantiate that claim. I've seen no data.

If I say I've done research, I show my work, and even then it's understood that whatever I do pales in comparison to the complex statistical analysis that real astrologers engage in. That is serious work.

My 9H Chiron dislikes the trivialization of astrology, because it increases the pain I feel when people disregard it as something arbitrary, flimsy, and subjective.

posted December 05, 2016 11:59 AM            

What's the point of me spending half an hour examining someone's synastry and providing commentary, when there's a chance that person might disregard everything I said, just because the Nessus placements look ominous?

posted December 05, 2016 12:11 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
5 good/bad astrological aspects is

of astrology.

An ode to the simple mind.

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I'm sorry you have so many bad, hard aspects in your natal, but that doesn't change anything, Madame Research.