posted December 09, 2016 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You have to take one asteroid at a time and USE it. prove it to yourself and then you will know. You really can't know/know anything( or most) things without your own research!

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How do you know that I haven't researched? I know that you are asteroid fanatic, and do what you want, go and interpret 800 of them and put it in someone's chart and make them to believe it. But I said my opinion and will not change it, cause they are not worth of some serious reading.

6. Nessus conjunct the ASC–this person will probably be an abuser. I would think he would. He may have many experiences of abusing others before he starts to face it. He would need God, as would the person with the Dejanira conjunct the ASC.

posted December 09, 2016 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Even with synchronicity in mind which might make funny circumstances between people, it can never over ride actual personalities and forces. The planets are actual forces in us which shape us to behave a certain way. Asteroids do not possess that characteristic. They possess a very small weight, even astrologically. A planet can shape personalities giving them strong inclinations and lead to attractions to certain groups. Asteroids can not shape. Therefore the first sentence goes again: even with synchronicity in mind, forces are there, such as a waterfall flowing, (a planet) and throwing a rock onto the water fall will not stop it's flow.

Having someone with a positive asteroid trine someone else's sun, will not stop the STRONG force of saturn squaring the other's sun. Real forces in existence (in personality). Asteroids can't change real forces. They can't stop a water fall.

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posted December 09, 2016 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Asteroids can't change real forces. They can't stop a water fall.

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It's not like that. They are part of the waterfall. They help tell the same story that the charts tell. It is all unified and cohesive. I would always read the charts as a STORY and try to see the asteroids as complementary to the rest.

It all fits together. There is no antagonism, no competition.

If a person hasn't worked with asteroids extensively, no wonder they are inclined to dismiss it using logic. Well they don't make LOGICAL sense, nothing in astrology is actually logical if you think of it, because it's a cosmic reality beyond logic, where several things can be true at once even though they are seemingly contradictory.

Astrology asks you to unify everything, to see how everything is interlinked, how the galaxy is inside us in its entirety.

What it's NOT asking you to do is mindlessly defer judgment to experts, so anyone criticizing Overly Persuasive Astrology will find me in their camp. Let's all think for ourselves and work to weigh the truth of what astrologers are telling us. And be inspired to learn astrology ourselves.

If someone is trying to use asteroids to convince you of something you have no awareness of, the answer is not to blame the asteroids, but to take the astrologer with a grain of salt or ignore the astrologer.

Asteroids? I used to be skeptical like everyone else. But the more I use them, the more I value them.

posted December 09, 2016 11:21 AM            

1) Each asteroid exhibits a metaphysical force. That force has a "feeling" which comes out in our personalities.

This "force" is not reliant on the name given to it. This force is reliant on its particle make up (logic).

Therefore all names correlating to asteroids rely merely on synchronicity of the name, and not the force.

posted December 09, 2016 11:26 AM            

My friend and her boyfriend have Juno exactly squaring the nodes in their composite chart. She asked me, from the beginning, if I thought they might get married, based on the charts.

Just because of Juno, I had my doubts. But I said, "Maybe...who knows?" because no way am I assuming that I have the ability to predict a definite outcome.

He proposed to her early on, and I thought, "Okay, Juno square nodes might not be the major issue I thought it was." I kept it in my little storehouse of thoughts.

Then he changed his mind.

And a year later he said, "Hmm, maybe yes, maybe eventually..."

And a year later he moved further away from her but he says "You know...maybe eventually...."

In her mind they would have been married with a child by now. But it's just not seeming to work. And that is what I wondered about from the beginning: can they really get married with Juno square nodes? Won't it be a very drawn-out issue for them? And it is.

posted December 09, 2016 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Well the interesting thing is

1) Each asteroid exhibits a metaphysical force. That force has a "feeling" which comes out in our personalities.

This "force" is not reliant on the name given to it. This force is reliant on its particle make up (logic).

Therefore all names correlating to asteroids rely merely on synchronicity of the name, and not the force.

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posted December 09, 2016 11:33 AM            

Therefore the significance of an asteroid (using logic) would be somewhat the comparison of an asteroid to a planet. A planet is about 40000x larger in mass than an asteroid.

posted December 09, 2016 11:37 AM            

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Therefore Like i said, we have extremely large bodies influencing us, and a dinky lil asteroid won't counteract a jupiter-saturn opposition (even 200 million times larger than asteroids). Like i said, thats a real force. A real shape in a character. An extreme making of someone, shaping, to be a certain way, extremely. An asteroid trining that will not change the dynamics of someone with jup-sat opposition and a venus-mars square. They are 2 people reflecting incredibly strong forces within them.

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Such as a tornado sweeping the land (mars) meets a boulder (saturn)

posted December 09, 2016 11:38 AM            

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I meant merely as "just" as in "just synchronicity" and not both synchronicity and the force. Cause a name can't capture the meaning of a metaphysical feeling of a planet. Nor can a theme me thinks.

Therefore the significance of an asteroid (using logic) would be somewhat the comparison of an asteroid to a planet. A planet is about 40000x larger in mass than an asteroid.

Therefore Like i said, we have extremely large bodies influencing us, and a dinky lil asteroid won't counteract a jupiter-saturn opposition (even 200 million times larger than asteroids). Like i said, thats a real force. A real shape in a character. An extreme making of someone, shaping, to be a certain way, extremely. An asteroid trining that will not change the dynamics of someone with jup-sat opposition and a venus-mars square. They are 2 people reflecting incredibly strong forces within them.

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I'm saying asteroids don't CHANGE anything, they complement everything, and also do more than that, they highlight specifics in a way that planets cannot. Planets are the storyline and asteroids add a colorful literary quality to that storyline AND they can tell you the names of the characters.

posted December 09, 2016 11:41 AM            

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Such as a tornado sweeping the land (mars) meets a boulder (saturn)

The dynamics of that relationship are concrete, solid, and having a flower called nemesis will not change those dynamics.

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OF COURSE NOT!

posted December 09, 2016 11:52 AM            

If a planet is 200 million times larger than an asteroid, (at same distance) then it should have 200 million times stronger of an influence. So that is the storm which is going on in synastry when you meet someone- a major body which is 200 million times greater than an asteroid is square their body which is 5 million times larger, so now it doesn't make logical sense to think an asteroid which has a value of 1 (instead of 200 million) would influence them?

posted December 09, 2016 12:13 PM            

So they do effect us in a noticeable way. But like i said, for the chance of all 30 000+ asteroids name's to be anything close to the actual force each asteroid has on us, would be slim, therefore when you are looking at them in a chart, you are just seeing aspects of bodies, and not descriptions of what those bodies are, which is why i said if there was any meaning it would be a result of synchronicity (and knowing god would choose you to have a funny encounter with someone and then later find out their "joker" asteroid was on your sun, but even with that in mind- the actual stronger bodies such as your sun opposing their venus will be having an effect that is 100 million times stronger than an asteroid, and synchronicity can not change two hot headed guys from arguing, it can not change 2 dogs from fighting, there is syncrhonicty, and then there are reactionary laws which can not be helped, such as rocks falling, such as the digestive system, such as planets in personalities and how those personalities will interact) there fore, synchronicity can not always be very powerful.

But they do have a strong effect. But 1) we can't know what that actual metaphysical feeling about it is and 2) they should come second place to the planet's effect. and that second place is about 100 million times smaller.

1st place Mars who lifted 5000 tons
and for the runner up
Juno who lifted 0.001 as second place!

posted December 09, 2016 12:26 PM            

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Yes it does all fit cohesively. But I do not see logic that the main forces, would not be as equivalently strong as they are equivalently stronger than asteroids.

If a planet is 200 million times larger than an asteroid, (at same distance) then it should have 200 million times stronger of an influence. So that is the storm which is going on in synastry when you meet someone- a major body which is 200 million times greater than an asteroid is square their body which is 5 million times larger, so now it doesn't make logical sense to think an asteroid which has a value of 1 (instead of 200 million) would influence them?

I mean it would influence them. But to take note of worthy?

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As I've said, I believe the truth of astrology is beyond logic. Partly because it involves mathematical complexity and coordination at a level far beyond what humans have so far been able to grasp.

By your logic the sun should occupy most of our attention since by far it is the largest object in our solar system. Why even bother discussing the puny moon?

Astrology has made it this far as a reputable science, for those who've taken the time and effort to see how scientific it is, NOT because it's based on a system of weights and measures and force, but direct, shared experiences.

The moon is transiting in Aries. You look around and see everyone fighting. How are they fighting? Oh...let's see...Mars is in Aquarius, maybe fighting on their computers. What are they fighting about? Sun in Sag, philosophy. Let the best philosophy take the prize!! Why? Because the sun is conjunct Saturn and the effects of this will be lasting. Good lasting or bad lasting? Well look at the transits today:

18 Libra Jupiter
18 Sag Sun
18 Sag Saturn
18 Aries moon

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posted December 09, 2016 12:38 PM            

IMO the transit chart should be much stronger alone as it is (for example the transit sun saturn conjunction) than the aspects it is making to our natal (transit sun conjunct natal saturn). Do you think so?

I'd really just have to pay attention and know how i feel.

posted December 09, 2016 01:30 PM            

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Awww The plot thickens. You are a Nessus conj the ASC person

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You should be banned.

posted December 09, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You should be banned.

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Keeping a record, Faith.

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posted December 09, 2016 04:48 PM            

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It's saturn conjunct sun transit and I feel incredibly calm, collected, and extremely focused as well, and good at articulating my thoughts.

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Your sun on the sun-moon midpoint earlier, your moon on the sun-Jupiter midpoint I think.

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IMO the transit chart should be much stronger alone as it is (for example the transit sun saturn conjunction) than the aspects it is making to our natal (transit sun conjunct natal saturn). Do you think so?

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It's like overlapping transparencies.

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I'd really just have to pay attention and know how i feel.

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posted December 09, 2016 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I have Nessus conjunct my ASC at 1°40 applying and I've never abused anyone. I feel I'm "immune" to being abused too - I can sniff out manipulation like a blood hound.

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posted December 09, 2016 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Awww The plot thickens. You are a Nessus conj the ASC person

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